Good move on the offensive coordinator Ireland!

Oh he'll be gone. He can't possibly survive this. It's probably more his fault than Sparano's.

 

i don't think Daboll has been awful. he's not great, but if some of those bigger pass plays converted tonight, the offense would have done much better. those play calls are not his fault.

 

Agree with maynard, he had us in position to go up big in the first half. Between Moore's lack of vision and deciding where he's going before the play develops and BM's lack of catching skills there was nothing more Daboll could have done. It wasn't Daboll's decision to be a wuss before half and after that it was over.

 

Daboll is at fault for the design of the offense, absolutely. But I have never seen so many boneheads on one field at the same time. Terrible execution each week by the offense.

 

its almost comical if not sad. you would think that once in a while, we would convert a big play by accident

 

I thought Daboll's plan last night was solid. If not for the missed open receivers, the dropped passes, and a brutal non-PI call, then the offense could have put up 20+ points within the first 20 minutes of the game.

I agree alen, they have too many boneheads on offense.

The problem is that this team is infused with negativity, pressure, and low confidence. At the first sign of trouble or adversity, they crumble.

 

Sparano, not Ireland, hired Daboll. Ireland was certainly on board though.

 

The offense has big problems without Thomas at 100%. And well, what can you say about that WR who cost us two second round picks? Daboll's offense I feel is better than the points totals because of the problems with both of these players. Certainly you can question his play-calling at times. He finally ran the deep ball to Gates again, something I thought we would see more of. With Moore at QB it seems unlikely we will get much better though. The lack of play makers is still a glaring weakness despite the big play review by Tony S.

 

Not to pat meself on the back, but I saw this the moment they announced who the new OC would be. Few guys were worse than old man dan was last year and we landed one of them as an "upgrade".

 

From what I saw, the plays were fine. We had guys wide open all over the field. Matt Moore failed to take advantage of those matchups. Part of the storyline of last night was, "How did Matt Moore not hit <insert receiver here>"

 

Well, someone's letting them get away with it. I'm sure they don't just start playing poorly when it's gametime.

 

Patrick Turner, Gibril Wilson, Jake Grove, Ernest Wilford, Philip Merling, Pat White..... how quickly you guys forget that we had a guy by the name of Bill Parcells making the decisions from 2008-2010, he even came out and said he was the one who drafted Pat White(Armando Salguero confirmed this) This is Ireland's first year with full control of the team, he's just cleaning up Parcell's mess. Parcells must be loving this right now, he gets credit for the greatest one year turn around in the history of the NFL but gets no blame for this mess.

 

You play how you practice, right?

 

Well, plus side is:

D played it's best game of the yr
Dtrain is the real deal
ST's played well

 

I've criticized Daboll's redzone calls this year, but the call being criticized in this thread was a good call. Actually it was a great call. He correctly guessed that the Jets would sell out t stop the run and leave an open receiving option. That mistake was on Moore. Even in the redzone in the first quarter you saw Clay wide open in the endzone. IMO being critical of Daboll after this game is wrong. The three biggest reasons our offense has faltered this year are the loss of Henne, not having a back that can run between the tackles and horrid blocking at RT. I would put the job Daboll has done as a distant 4th behind those first three.

 

Daboll can't throw the passes, Clay was wide open for a score on one play and Lex was wide open on the 3rd down play in the first drive. factor in the Marshall drop in the endzone (ball was behind him) and marshall running out of bounds ala Ted Ginn and this thread would be "Loved the Daboll play calling!"

 

I really can't speak knowledgeably about how much of this is Daboll's fault. But I do know a lot of the folks on this board were way overly optimistic about a coordinator whose offense performed worse than ours last year. You don't attract the best coordinators when you retain a lousy coach who everyone knows is on very thin ice.

 

This team's offensive woes are not in the design of the plays, like the last couple of seasons, but in the execution of those plays. Henne and now Moore have not been able to produce in the RZ. Marshall has dropped a boat load of potential TD passes, not to mention the several that probably would not have been TDs, but at least gains... The issue here is the execution of the team, not the design of the offense...

Either way, it won't matter, they will all be gone in January and we can complain about some other knothead that Ross hires as HC....

 

To be fair, what were his options?

 

IMO Henning did a better job than Daboll has. In terms of situational football, we are 100x worse than last year.

 

Anyone would have been an improvement over Henning...but the players still have to execute the plays and they are not doing that. You don't see Wes Welker's of the rest of the league dropping TD passes consistently (cough...Brandon Marshall...cough), you don't see the Tom Brady rest of the league's misreading the coverage and missing open receivers and the OL woes have not gone away, they are just overshadowed by the mis-execution of the offense in general... The issues here are more the cause of the players than the scheme. The scheme works....just ask the Pasties...

 

No offense NJ..but that is TD #5 that marshall has dropped, he is supposed to be a dominant Wr, enough with the excuses

 

This team practices?

 

I agree, no excuse for him, I'm talking about the play calls. If he makes that catch, if he does not run out of bounds, If Moore sees the two guys on two different plays wide open, everyone is today saying Daboll did a great job.

Its all about the players, they didn't execute the plays.

 

this was the wrong game to criticize Daboll... that 3rd down call had a man wide open (though after passing I thought Sparano would have went for it, though it ended up being smart for punting, pinning them deep and getting the ball back in good field position)

red zone playcalling wasn't bad either... execution just sucked, but thats to be expected with a backup QB

 

Two things:

1. Why no toss plays to Bush? It's always between the tackles. I've heard it said that the coaches want to run Bush between the tackles to keep the D honest. But they NEVER run tosses. LOL. Everyone who plays the Pats know that Brady is going to throw to Welker, but the Pats don't just not throw to Welker because of it. In fact, they throw to him a ton. He leads the league in receptions, and has an NFL record for most receptions through the first 5 games. Call the play, and go out and execute it.

2. Why no screen passes to Bush? Instead, they're throwing screens to Fasano and Hilliard. Ridiculous.

 

Because defenses know they need to stop that, and the offense doesn't do anything well enough to open those things up.

 

When's the last time they ran a toss or screen to Bush? Why do defenses need to stop something that they never run?

 

Daboll > Schottenheimer

 

they tried a screen last night and it was a total mess, I believe it was the play Moore ran out of bounds for a 7 yard loss instead of throwing it away.


We also ran the screen to Fasano that worked.

 

I would agree, it easily could have been 21-0 Fins in the 1st quarter if the players executed the plays. And the Jet fans were booing sanchez and shoty.

 

Because defenses know thats all he's really effective at?

 

Can you say poorly coached? I can ...

 

Proudly, I was one of the thousands of people doing so. BS is downright awful.

 

I don't know if this is on Daboll, but the plays seemed to be getting to the field awfully late. Gruden mentioned it more than a few times. Moore didn't have much time for pre-snap reads.

 

Did it ever occur to you that Sanchez and your offense just isn't any good?

 

I would guess that the Jets were messing with the communication system.

 

Because he is the one that insists on "ground and pound"?