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If we were to trade the #1 overall pick.

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by grushcow, Dec 16, 2007.

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  1. grushcow

    grushcow New Member

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    If we were to trade the #1 overall pick to Dallas what would you want in return. finally the phins showed some promise today but we still have a ton of holes. dallas has 2 first rounders and they really like darrren mcfadden. a trade with dallas would give us some quality picks and prevent the pats or jets from potentially drafting dmac. this is what i'd ask for in return:
    both 2008 first rounders
    2008 third rounder
    2008 5th rounder
    2009 2nd or 3rd rounder
    what do you guys think?
     
  2. lbmclean_sj

    lbmclean_sj New Member

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    somebody said 2 firsts, Marion Barber and Bobby Carpenter

    I like that trade alot
     
  3. Reminisce

    Reminisce Banned

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    how many times you seen a 1st round over all pick traded down? thats the possibility of it happening now, you can quit dreaming.
     
  4. lbmclean_sj

    lbmclean_sj New Member

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    if the team picking second needs a RB in the worst way, we might have a small chance
     
  5. Whitedolphin54

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    I always wanted a trade, but I wouldn't be unhappy if we took C Long with the first pick.
     
  6. grushcow

    grushcow New Member

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    its happened 13 times all time, so its still a possibility
     
  7. srdnaty

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    I like Long (good pedigree) or Adams (high motor)... Ideally we need d-line help asap.
     
  8. lbmclean_sj

    lbmclean_sj New Member

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    CLong/Dorsey/Gholston and a TE on Day1

    this is a must
     
  9. Big E

    Big E Plus sized porn star

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    pass...
     
  10. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Dallas' two first-round picks will both come in the lower half of the first round. Cleveland's pick is likely going to land around #21-25, and Dallas itself has a very good shot of coming in at #31. Having one additional first round pick is not worth missing out on the premium talent at the top of this draft. Not this year, anyway.
     
  11. Betters75

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    Dallas gets #1

    Miami gets:
    2 #1's, 08
    1 #2 08
    1 #1 09
    1 #3 09

    Makes sence to me?
     
  12. fins4o8

    fins4o8 Mac FTW!

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    no matter how much JJones has a mancrush on McF, no way he makes that trade. honestly if i was in JJones, i wouldnt make the trade either or any attempt to get our #1 pick.
     
  13. eobms

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    I never wanted Dorsey, but I'm starting to warm up to him. We either draft Dorsey or we better pick up Haynsworth in FA.
     
  14. Betters75

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    Jones wants to win NOW! Hes like Steinbrenner, will do anything to get the player he wants. I'm just hoped!
     
  15. Betters75

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    eobms, don't you think (Haynsworth in FA.)this is better than spending a #1 on Dorsey? I agree! Lets go 4 Mcf or Matt Ryan
     
  16. TomBradyWoot

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    Of course he wants to win now like Steinbrenner, but he's far from like Steinbrenner in that he is not going to mortgage everything in order to do so.

    I went 24 and 31 for their first round picks, with 62 for their second round pick, which adds up to 1624 on the trade chart, while the #1 pick is 3000.

    Bottom line with Cleveland winning and getting a pick in the 20s, it just doesn't make sense for Dallas to trade up to #1 overall. You're only halfway there trading your first three picks in this year's draft, and even if they include their first and third for next year (which you could even be generous and say 25), still about 500 points short.

    If he wants McFadden bad enough, he's probably going to have to have to trade into the 5 slot or so and hope he gets there.
     
  17. Desides

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    Haynesworth will get a big contract from someone and never play up to its value. Meanwhile, Haynesworth and Dorsey are totally different types of players.
     
  18. NorFlaFin

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    Dallas is good team with plenty of quality depth-players. I can definitely see a scenario involving trading Miami 1st to Dallas for the Boys two 1st pick plus a player(s).

    Considering the absolute lack of talent on both sides of Miami's roster, any and all trades should be on the table.
     
  19. RoninFin4

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    You're the 1st person I've seen mention Vernon Gholston on the boards. I'd really love to get him. I've seen a few mocks with him in the 7-10 area, but if he runs like they say he will (4.58-4.60 range) I wouldn't be against him at #1 overall. Heck, if we can bring his buddy CB Malcolm Jenkins w/another 1st too...we'd be in business.
     
  20. lbmclean_sj

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    people mention Jake Long and Gholston has absolutely owned him

    he could be the Merriman of the draft

    I asked Desides about him and got a thumbs up
     
  21. texasPHINSfan

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    i wouldn't mind trading the #1 pick only because we have SO many holes to fill, don't want to blow soooo much cap money on ONE pick, AND the talent in this year's draft isn't anything to write home about.

    I definitely don't want to trade out of the first round, and to all those people who think we are going to get multiple first-round picks to trade down are dreaming.... i don't think McFadden is coveted enough by any team to mortgage the farm...
     
  22. RoninFin4

    RoninFin4 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    That's a favorable comparison I think. And looking back in hindsight at the 2005 draft, don't get me wrong, I like Ronnie Brown, but Merriman was the best player in that 1st rd, why should we not get him this time around? He and Jason Taylor (if he stays) or Joey Porter on the outside of a 3-4 doesn't sound too bad to me.
     
  23. Carabinieri44

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    wait...

    we trade our #1 overall to Dallas for their 2 first round picks and Bobby Carpenter? wasnt Carpenter an LB drafted like 2 years ago? well we desperately need LB, so id take that trade.

    if we can sign Haynesworth and Trufant OR Hall in the off-season, our draft will be a lot easier. With the 2 first round picks, id take Fred Davis (whos practically a MUST for us) and a Strong Safety. i know Boomer is high on that guy Justin King (hes a CB i think). so maybe him, or one of the USF corners, those guys are good.
     
  24. Carabinieri44

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    how about actually...

    we trade our #1 to Dallas for both of their first rounders, PLUS Bobby Carpenter, PLUS Patrick Crayton. and hey, if they wanna add Demarcus Ware, please do. doubt it tho.
     
  25. #1dolphinsfan

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    Barber is is going to be a free agent at the end of the year i dont think they have enough to pay him because of tony romo they might want to draft Mcfadden
     
  26. big0mar

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    god some of you guys are so delusional

    if jones didnt want to trade up to take adrian peterson last year, why in the world would he trade up to number one to take mcfadden, who by all accounts, has been graded out lower than peterson

    not to mention that dallas has set the trend by becoming a predominately passing team. how much could mcfadden really help them? their offense is #2 in the league!
     
  27. big0mar

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    maybe you dont follow the nfl much, but the #1 overall pick is going to make much more than marion barber
     
  28. RoninFin4

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    I believe it's Julius Jones, not Marion Barber who is a free agent after this year.
     
  29. mnfinfan

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    That is correct.
     
  30. SarahAnn

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    Manning for Rivers was pretty much just a trade of the first overall pick.
     
  31. Marino1384

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    1. Jones has mentioned he wants another top tier impact player on offense...He visualizes a Aikman/Romo, Smith/Mcfadden, Irvin/T.O. once again.

    2. Mcfadden is from arkansas, jones is an arkansas alum,so he loves the kid

    3. Last year they weren't positive about thier defense as they have drafted all defenders the last couple of years in high rounds (Newman,Spears,Williams,Canty,Ware,Carpenter etc), they really don't need anything else as runningback is prolly thier weakest point .

    Jones has been talking asbout this kid all year and is in love with him, If he has a good combine there is no doubt in myu mind jones will try to pull a traade off.

    In return i'd ask for Marcus Spears, Bobby Capenter and thier 2 1's along with say like a 4thish. This is very likely as the Cowboys have incredible depth in the front seven, enough that they'd get rid of atleast one of the two players which fills a need we have (DT and Lb)
     
  32. RalphX19X

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    both 2008 1st
    2008 3rd
    2009 1st
     
  33. unifiedtheory

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    Not enough.
     
  34. Desides

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    Indeed. Dallas is simply picking too low this year to have the firepower to trade up to #1 overall.

    The only way they could justify the trade under the value chart would be to basically pull a reverse Herschel Walker.
     
  35. REV KEV

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    And/Or

    They could throw in quality players like Spears, Carpenter
     
  36. RoninFin4

    RoninFin4 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Just seeking your opinion, let's say a trade was completed, Cleveland would be picking what 22nd as of now I think...my opinion would to be to see if we can trade back into the 8-12 range targeting a Vernon Gholston, Malcolm Jenkins, Sedrick Ellis or other impact defender. What's your logic if we can swing Dallas' two 1st rounders?
     
  37. finfansince72

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    I think that trade value chart is outdated. Its not as much of a guideline now that top 5 picks are salary cap killers. Its a huge risk to take a player in the top 5 now and no team is going to give up 4-6 high quality picks to risk destroying their cap on a bust. I think people WAY overvalue these picks and that chart just isn't as relevant as it used to be. Lets face it, we've had some high picks recently and a ton of holes, we more than likely tried to trade these picks and no one wanted them. McFadden is a great prospect but I don't see teams lining up to throw 5 draft picks at us to get him.
     
  38. Roman529

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    Dallas would seem to be one of the few teams who might be willing to trade up, but you just don't see a lot of teams trading up/down anymore. Dallas would have to give up an awful lot according to the value charts I have seen and there really is no consensus # 1 player in this year's draft.
     
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  39. Desides

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    You mean, trade down with Dallas, then trade back up?

    We'd be getting a bargain on someone like Gholston if he falls, but I think Gholston is going to go much higher than many people think. 8-12 is too high for Jenkins, or at least I wouldn't take him in that range. Sedrick Ellis I don't know enough about to comment on.

    I'll say that if I was picking in the 10-14 range and James Laurinaitis was off the board, I'd go for Dan Connor.
     
  40. texanphinatic

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    Why would Dallas need McFadden? Has anyone actually SEEN Barber play? The man is a BEAST. McFadden would be a load of dead salary with Barber on that team. And why would they trade him? Why not stick with the proven guy? Hes a horse.

    The man-crush that so many have on McFadden is simply astounding, Im gonna laugh my butt off if he drops to bottom of top 10 like AP, though some fool GM will take him high simply because AP is having such a good year. Kinda like the Giants took Eli because his last name was Manning. Oops ...

    Anyway, planning for a trade down from #1 is kinda silly. People here just need to face the music and realize we will almost certainly see Dorsey/Long/Gholston or some other top tier D player holding an aqua and white #1 jersey on draft day.
    And TBH is that a bad thing? Look at Mario Williams, anyone else thinking they got the worst of the Young/Bush/Williams trio atm? Taylor getting the pro bowl over him this year was a robbery.

    People are always so hasty to leave what you have. Just play your cards well instead of going off on wild goose chases all the time. Unless a Herschel Walker deal comes down, or a deal pops that has us moving about 3-4 spaces down TOPS, we arent going anywhere. Almost garunteed to pick in the top 5, likely at #1, and guys-THATS NOT A BAD THING!
     

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