A serious look at Suck for Luck

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  1. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Sure, if we get to 2 wins in the next two weeks then we are very nearly eliminated.

    As for Gabbert, he is actually improving. And if he improves enough, they are likely to win enough games for Luck to not even be an option. That's really the key on teams like Minny/Jax/Carolina.

    Any team that ends up at #1, sans STL, is likely going to need a QB.
     
  2. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Look at the current big board:

    Eliminate teams with young Qb's who are playing well or just drafted with a #1 pick:

    Panthers/Newton
    Vikes/Ponder
    Rams/Bradford
    Jags/Gabbert

    Reduces the pool to 6

    Questionable Qb's:

    Browns/McCoy
    AZ/Kolb
    Philly/Vick

    down to 3

    Broncos, Colts..and us.

    If SFL plays out, the Broncos v Dolphins game will decide it.
     
  3. Jaj

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    I could easily see Jacksonville offering Gabbert to Miami along with another first round pick if we had the number one, no question.
     
  4. Third Man

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    And I could see us laughing at that offer.
     
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  5. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    And that just so happens to be "Celebrate the Opposing Team's Starting QB" game.

    I'm starting to think Ross is some kind of evil genius.
     
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  6. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    If we get the #1, I'm not trading it for anything, short of Aaron Rodgers.
     
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    That's a great point, and one reason I don't see those teams giving up on those guys after one year. It's not just financial, but the value you get in return, as you said, is terrible.
     
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  8. schmolioot

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    Per PFT, Mario Williams out for the year.

    Could bring houston back to the pack a bit, considering AJ's injury as well. Give Jax/Indy a better shot and it might lower their record enough to where it positively affects our SOS ranking
     
  9. BlameItOnTheHenne

    BlameItOnTheHenne Taking a poop

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    Luck to Dre? Pepare your anuses.
     
  10. padre31

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    Long way to go though, but like last yr with the early losses to AFC opponents, this contest could be decided when no one was really paying much attention to it.
     
  11. unifiedtheory

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    I'd throw Phil Rivers in there as well. Brady and Brees of course but they are too old.
     
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  12. schmolioot

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    Sure, Rivers I would probably take as well.
     
  13. Jaj

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    Landry Jones has been on fire recently, he's doing really well. Depending on the type of offense I wouldn't mind looking at trade offers if they're really good.
     
  14. padre31

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    I really like his game, I've compared him to Bradford, but I don't think he is that good of an athlete, he maybe reminds me of Matt Ryan.

    Anywho, Phin General in Club posted this up so hat tip to him:

    There, now we all know, if it is down to us, or the Colts, we know what the tiebreakers are.
     
  15. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    We would and should worry about any team ahead of us in the draft order...even STL or AZ....Cause they would be willing to TRADE OUT and the reality is that Miami has not shown a propensity to TRADE UP. We could very easily be leapfrogged by a team more willing and more resourceful to TRADE UP over us.
     
  16. padre31

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    Which is true, and another Wildcard is the teams in the race, imo, Denver, Colts, Jags, could conceivably change coaches.

    Even AZ, what if AZ hires someone who is not a Kolb fan and wants "their" guy?
     
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  17. padre31

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    SFL update:

    Colts down 3 v Cinci, 2:00 to go
    Falcons up on Panthers by 14 with the ball, that one is done, inside 2:00 left
    Jags down 4 to pitt with 4 minutes to go
    St Louis is getting blown out 24 to 3


    INOW, situation normal, teams that have been losing and in the SFL are still where they are,this is going to be a messy proposition:

    Broncos at 4 pm
    Eagles getting off the snide with a win over the Redskins to go 2-4 and almost out of the SFL, 3 wins more then likely disqualifies a team from SFL.
     
  18. padre31

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    Top #5:

    Rams..they looked terrible today, wow, what happened to this squad? Imo they need Blackmon.
    Colts..finding new and more creative ways to lose, Garcon served up a fumble that went for a TD
    Jags..Sheesh, Gabbert with 26 passes, 110 yds or so.
    Broncos..29-24...and they have put Lloyd and Royal on the trade block

    Huge week for SFLers, if we win on MNF, then beat the Broncos, we are effectively eliminated from SFL, or at least in 5th place.

    Wildcard here is the Colts and Jags still have 2 games to play vs each other.
     
  19. pacadermng67

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    Well the Broncos still play the Chiefs twice as well as the Vikings. They also beat the Bengals who arent absolutely horrendous this year.

    The Jags still have the Colts x2 and the Browns

    The Colts have the Jags x2 although if Manning comes back Id expect a couple wins here and there...

    The Rams still have to play the AFCW, the Browns and the Bengals.

    I'd say that every team has a shot to win a few games so a two win team still may get Luck...
     
  20. padre31

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    I suspect the Browns will beat the lesser teams going forward, so they are at the tag end of the SFL field

    KC appears to have straightened up a bit, with Cassel playing much better ball, so they are kind of out.

    Jags and Colts could split, making Jax a 2 win team, the Colts a one win team, if the Jags sweep the colts, they are more then likely effectively eliminated from SFL leaving:

    Panthers 1-4
    Colts 0-6
    Rams 0-5
    Broncos 1-4
    Dolphins 0-4

    Now "if" the Broncos beat us, that pretty much eliminates them, leaving a 4 team field with 2 teams having young Qb's already.

    We win the next 2, we are on the bubble and looking at Top 4, but not #1 overall imo.
     
  21. gamblerx

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    Elway is up to something.
     
  22. padre31

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    Well, I suspect he is, and he wants to shuffle salary off of the books.

    I will say, the Rams are just dreadful, as in not competitive dreadful.
     
  23. pacadermng67

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    Why are the Rams so bad? What pieces did they lose or is Bradford just having a sophomore slump? I would think they'd be able to split with AZ and SEA.

    Although if they are not competitive with anyone and get the #1, do they trade Bradford?
     
  24. gamblerx

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    Bad as in "dreadful," "terrible" "horrible" etc. The Rams does not have talent on the squad and just cannot be competitive. Yes, I do believe they will get some wins against their weak division opponents.

    Most likely, the Rams feels that Bradford is their "guy." So I don't think they will trade Bradford and most likely trade that golden pick(or draft Luck and trade him) for a package to rebuild their team.

    The only team that I see trading seriously for that golden pick is the Broncos if the Rams obtain it. I know Elway got plans. Not sure about the Colts would trade. If Dolphins "wants" that #1 pick, they have to "win the sweepstakes" which the chances are looking slimmer and slimmer as the weeks goes by. Still, the schedule still favors the Phins.
     
  25. padre31

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    Ernie Accorsi: How much is Luck worth?

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/peter_king/10/16/Week6/1.html

    3 1's, with one being a top 10 pick this yr, and 2 2's, sounds about right.

    Which would also be way out of our price range, it is Luck or Jones with say the #5 or #4,

    SFL week starts tonight, we play the Jets for the Season, we play the Broncos for the inside track into Luck.
     
  26. schmolioot

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    It's not out of our price range if you really think that Luck is Peyton Manning/John Elway.
     
  27. padre31

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    Yes, it is, simply because one wants something does not mean you can also afford it, I'm no huge fan of draft picks, however 1 top 10, maybe 2, and a mid rd #1, and 2 high #2's?

    To much bro, it is SFL or take Jones.
     
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  28. Vendigo

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    No, it's not. It might be out of your price range, but unless the Dolphins made you GM without telling anyone, it's not out of their price range.
     
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  29. schmolioot

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    Our last 3 first round picks are Vontae Davis, Jared Odrick and Mike Pouncey. Our last two second round picks are Koa Misi and Daniel Thomas.

    Would trade all five of those guys for prime Peyton Manning or Aaron Rdogers?

    Draft picks are nebulous. Once you attach actual names to them, they become less so.
     
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  30. ckparrothead

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    Did anyone watch Christian Ponder get his first action last night? He looked pretty darn good. Regardless of what happens this year, I don't think the Vikings or Panthers are up for drafting Andrew Luck. Not the Rams, either.

    Jaguars...harder to say. With Jack Del Rio oustered, new regime might like to start over with "their" guy at QB. It's really all about how he finishes the year...but Gabbert is the one guy of the four 1st round QBs I graded that I did not think would do well at all if forced to play right away. I thought he should sit.

    So there's a decent chance the pick will be up for grabs...and if I had to venture a guess, I would say that Steve Ross would be pushing for the Dolphins to make that trade. Especially if you read Armando's latest article where he talks about how Steve Ross is tired of 2nd rate QBs being painted as starters, and this is why he nixed the Kyle Orton deal. I imagine the Dolphins giving a mix of players and picks. One of those players could very well be Brandon Marshall, maybe even Cam Wake. Let's say the Dolphins got the #4 overall pick this year. If moving to #1 overall costs the Dolphins Brandon Marshall, Cameron Wake, the #4 overall this year, a 3rd rounder this year and a 1st rounder in 2013...account yourself Lucky.

    Of course, it would be nice not to have to give any of that up, just to pick #1 overall. But evidently people aren't allowed to hope for that because it means losing games.
     
  31. schmolioot

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    If this season continues circling the drain, I imagine priority #1 for the enxt regime will be finding a way to put Andrew Luck on this team. Only when that possibility is exhausted do you move on.

    I like Landry Jones and Matt Barkeley and some of the other guys, but you exhaust every scenario for getting Luck first
     
  32. ckparrothead

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    Pulled this from a guy at Finheaven. Nice little info update.

     
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  33. schmolioot

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    Thanks CK.

    Our saving grace in terms of SOS with Indy is the NFC South versus the East. The NFC East is shaping up to be relatively weak, where 10-6 probably wins it. The NFC South could have three double digit win teams again.
     
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    Honestly i wish we had the bye week before the broncos games. Give Sparano 2 whole weeks to prepare for a game and he will find a way to lose to any team in the NFL
     
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    Since one enjoys delving into the absurd, how about Ross simply buy out every NFL franchise, close them, and have the Dolphins win the SB by default.

    See, that may be out of your price range, but not out of Ross's.
     
  36. ckparrothead

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    As things stand we could be catching a break the way that whole Broncos thing is playing out. Tim Tebow the savior comes in during the 4th quarter of their last game and leads them on a comeback to where the game comes down to one throw in the end zone, with the ball actually going in and out of the hands of a Bronco player...then they have a bye week to install a bunch of new wrinkles in the offense to fit Tebow's style.

    That could be a nice break in terms of the Dolphins losing the game.
     
  37. padre31

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    Ponder playing vs a prevent D in a blowout loss is not exactly a good barometer Ck, and the rams would be wise to demand 3 1's and 2 #2's, which no team outside of the Patriots or maybe the eagles would be willing to pay.




    Problem is, a theoritical trade can always be created, then pushed as "fact" the reality is no team has paid that much for a Qb, even the Hershel Walker trade was not that expensive and has such a poor image that doing so again, even for Luck, is FF stuff.


    Of course, it would be nice not to have to give any of that up, just to pick #1 overall. But evidently people aren't allowed to hope for that because it means losing games.[/QUOTE]
     
  38. Vendigo

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    The only absurd notion is stating, as a matter of fact, that a given price is out of "our" range when you have no idea whatsoever what "our" range is to begin with.
     
  39. padre31

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    And you ignored my response, no surprise, how about Ross buys all 31 teams, and renames "the dolphins" so the Dolphins win the SB every yr?
     
  40. Vendigo

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    Yeah, I did. It was nonsense.
     

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