Nobody is saying that Luck can't be special. People are counting their chickens before they are hatched. All we're saying is that it's classless and stupid to cheer for your team to lose.
How so? Stanford is 7th because of strength of schedule and conference, that's it. If they were undefeated in the $EC, they would be the top ranked team.
This team blows and is going to lose regardless. Me seeing the silver lining in it doesn't make it any more or less stupid than you rooting for a 6-10 record and another 4-5 years of mediocrity.
You do not know what Luck would think and what he would do. Also, I have never seen Luck say those are not the type of fans he wants to play for. If I missed it, please post the source and I will be corrected. I did see where he was asked about SFL and he said some guys told him about it, which shows that there's a good chance he himself wasn't paying attention to it, and that he said it was stupid. Saying SFL is stupid is not the same as him saying I won't play for a fanbase that had a percentage saying SFL. SFL was a NFL story before a single regular season game was played. And all the fanbases with a team that has the potential to pick top 5 will have a certain amount of people supporting SFL. To think a player would refuse to play for his drafted team because some of the fans didn't get excited over a 2-14 team? Seems pretty far out there. I can see Luck catching a Phins game and ESPN shows one fan out of the 4,000 at the game (home game) holding a SFL sign and calling his agent, "can't play for Miami now, saw a fan with a SFL sign."
Luck came from a good home with a sound back ground. The biggest motivators for this guy are competition, the love for the game, and engineering (which he has a major passion for). If money were an issue, he would've declared for last year's draft and been the #1 overall pick 6 months ago, but he cares more about enjoying life's experiences than he does about rushing into an NFL career despite a fat contract waiting for him. This is one guy who actually GETS what it's all about. He's going to be financially set for life regardless of what he does or what career he chooses. As an engineer from Stanford, he's set. As an NFL QB, he's set. The guy can sit back and enjoy his 2012 season however he wants b/c there's no pressure for him to make a decision that he's not 100% dedicated to. This is how simple it is for Andrew Luck: He'll have a week or two after his Stanford season ends before having to declare for the draft. During that time he'll be thinking hard about whether or not it's the right decision for him. NOW, let's hypothetically say he missed out on a National Championship and that sour taste is fresh in his mouth. If that happens, a severely goal-oriented guy like Luck could be left looking for any excuse to return to Stanford for 1 more chance at a title so that he won't feel dejected for not achieving a major goal. That one excuse could come in the form of seeing a fan holding up a Suck for Luck poster (like the one below) while he's doing his research on the team holding the #1 pick. That's it. That's all it could take-- Luck seeing 1 measly picture of a fan hoping for Miami to lose while he's torn up inside about missing out on a chance for a championship. If that scenario happens, Luck could be thinking: "For an entire season I busted my butt to try and win a national championship, but this ridiculous Dolphin fan base is hoping its team finishes last? Screw these people and their unsupportive, loser mentality! I can play for the last place team in the NFL next year and still have plenty of time to win a SB, but I'll never have another shot at a national championship." Human behavior can be so random and unpredictable when emotions are involved that something as little as seeing one "Suck for Luck" poster at the wrong time could influence Luck to go back to Stanford. You just never know, which is why I believe you don't put yourself in the position to find out in first place. To say it can't happen is a gross display of ignorance. Most talented players view their college time as a stepping stone to the NFL, making the NFL their ultimate goal. I don't see that from Luck AT ALL. I see a guy who has many goals, takes them one at a time, and takes each one seriously. Right now, I don't believe he's thinking about the NFL. I believe he's thinking about a national championship and nothing else, and only when his season is over will he figure out the NFL thing. No one can say for certainty that nothing will prevent Luck from playing for the team drafting #1, but you can say with certainty that it's entirely possible for Luck to opt for another year of school.
What's stupid is this idea that a bunch of Miami Dolphins fans are sitting around fist pumping every bad thing that happens to the Dolphins. The Dolphins will not make the playoffs this season. Their head coach will certainly be fired and their GM could also. These are things that are going to happen. I would bet everything I own on it. It's not what I or anybody else wanted in August. It is what it is. Some people are merely hoping that this disaster of a season nets us the best QB prospect since Peyton Manning. I would give up two to three extra wins for a shot at the next Peyton Manning in a heartbeat. It's very simple; I want Miami to compete for a playoff spot or draft Andrew Luck. At this moment which scenario seems the most likely? If they rattle off four or five wins over the next month or so, awesome.
The fact is that Eli Manning never was nor will he be a quarterback to build a franchise around. That much was known by Archie Manning. The fact is that Ryan Leaf was left to "figure it out" all by himself within the same organization just six years earlier. The fact is that it was AJ Smith's first draft with the SD Chargers. It is that same desire that many fans have expressly wished for in the case of the Dolphins pertaining to our front office. The fact is that the hot seat was already warming up for Marty Schottenheimer as it has been WIDELY reported that AJ Smith never liked him. All of these FACTS weighed in on Archie Manning's decision to quietly make a request from the Chargers. AJ Smith took it public. Stability in the coaching staff does matter. Stability in the front office does matter. It's NOT about the fans and message boards. Andrew Luck is going to a bad team with a pissed off fan base. That too is fact and it's proven by math every year. But don't let any of that get in the way of a good story.....
So now we're to the point where we are worried about a hypothetical where a QB is going to refuse to come to a team because a few fans don't root the right way (whatever that is)? I don't know Andrew Luck and his thought process like a lot of people seem to around here, but I seriously doubt he would reverse his entire decision process because of what a few fans think, when fans of teams all over are thinking the same thing, and will next year also if he does decide to go back to college.
Luck is absolutely right that its stupid for a team to lay down and purposely lose games to gamble on getting the top pick in the draft. I would hope he think its stupid, shows how much he values winning. Now hopefully he shuts up and continues to play well and we continue to suck so we can get him.
Suck for Luck before the season starts: Stupid. Suck for Luck after 0-4 start, team leadership(GM, owner, coach) dysfunctional, same problems every year with no improvement, team regressing every year with no hope in team improving in the future with status quo: Brilliant idea.
There's nothing left here with Ireland and Sparano. Henne is done, the new coach is going to want his own guy one way or other. Even if Ireland and/or Sparano are kept, he's done, because they'll want to move on too. But we need to suck to get a good draft pick, thats just logical. Why go try for .500 and get stuck with a ****ty midround pick? Wheres the logic in that? We've tried that and we always get stuck with a Jared Odrick or a Mike Pouncey. Solid players, but not playmakers. We need leaders. We need a difference makers. Most importantly, WE NEED A GOD DAMN FRANCHISE QB.
I'm not sure what you guys want you expect him to say man I really love how all the fans are rooting for there teams to lose you know how much of a jackass that would of made him look like. Also people need to get off there high horse calling other peoples fandom fake I don't recall anyone complaining about the heat losing on purpose the year they ended up drafting beasley after the season started horribly. You play the hand your dealt we started 0-4 and our starting qb is on IR the season is a wash people have to get over it already and look forward to the future. Some new coach is going to come in and draft a QB were going to pick top 5 we most likely won't get luck.
It's kinda funny that there's some people believe that the Dolphins are going to turn it around and win 12 straight games. That's all Jeff Fox nonsense. By now, even the most brilliant Dolphins fan in this forum and any Dolphins fan forums knows this season is a dud. Whatever Luck does, he's going to be drafted to a bad team that was a fanbase with a big fat "Suck For Luck Was A Success!!!" sticker.
My kind? Is that meant to be racist? You're a trip R&R. Let me ask you 3 questions: 1. If Luck were given the choice between either playing for the fan base <of a losing team> that supported its team through all 16 games OR playing for one that hoped for losses after only 4 games, which do you think he'd prefer to play for? 2. Have you directly spoken with Luck to know for 100% certainty whether or not he'll return to Stanford to avoid playing for the biggest Suck for Luck team? 3. Do you think this Suck for Luck campaign will motivate the current players and coaches, who are actually fighting for their careers and futures, to lose games? If it does ANY motivating, it'll probably come in the form of a greater desire to win to prove the people wrong who are counting them out.
Hey, I didn't say I pined for the original thread to be moved or anything. I'm not that big of a stickler, especially for something that has 55 pages. lol.
Who believes Miami is gonna win 12 straight? Sorry, I'd rather have an "I rooted for my team to win and we still ended up with Luck." sticker..... but I'm sure some suckers for Luck would wear your mentioned sticker with tremendous smugness, kind of like a little twit-acting kid who's mom still buys him a toy and then he makes faces at the step dad who was originally trying to scold him. lol
IMO, the best approach for any fans who want the team to suck for Luck and hopes for losses, would be to just boycott watching the rest of Miami's games this season.
See, you do want this team to fail. How is that any different than a Pats fan hoping we lose? Why would I want to use the 5th pick on a RT? That's craziness. Do you honestly think this team will try and lose games just b/c you want them to fail? If we end up with the 5th pick, we end up with the 5th pick. Your desire for us to fail and my desire for us to win won't change a thing, but you'll have rooted for Miami to lose in the process. The 2 significant things that could potentially be influenced by Suck for Luck are: 1. Luck becomes disgusted by it and returns to school. 2. Miami coaches & players become disgusted by it and use it as fuel to win. You can't say the same thing about fans who oppose suck for Luck.
If I'd been the decider for the Giants I'd have just kept Rivers and the picks Eli cost them. He was and still is the better QB IMO. The Bolts wudda been up sh!t's creek.
Nope. If Eli had held out on the Bolts until the next draft he would have went back into the draft pool.
would you prefer the one during week 2 or 3 that looks even more embarrassing and was featured on the front page of CBSSports.com IIRC?
Simple, but not correct. I guess you don't remember Bo Jackson being taken #1 and refusing to sign with the Bucs and just going back into the next year's draft and being taken by the Raiders.
Well that sounds all well and good unless you were one of the troopers in the Companies that remained under the egomaniac Custer at the LBH.
I just don't want to have us draft a QB with a neck beard. Either he is Amish or related to Sasquatch and either one would be a risky choice. Could you imagine our Amish QB wanting to travel by horse and buggy from game to game?
Well, actually, since fan is just a derivative of fanatic, the SFLers would be those were are fanatical about losing, so Andrew Unitas Montana Elway Luck can be the great messiah to lead the team to the promised land. So maybe better if he is Andrew Moses Jesus Luck.
Maybe he heard you had to sit on the Group W bench after it was found out you'd be previously arrested for littering, (and creating a public nuisance), then when you went off on the Sgt in charge, he said they didn't like your kind...
I may just start calling Luck "the prophet" Mr C, seems accurate...he has to make a Hadj to NYC on draft day... IIRC, Eli Mannng via Archie Manning flat out refused to play in SD because the impression was AJ Smith was a tight wad and San Diego was something of a NFL backwater, Luck has never said why he did not declare last yr, but he did say he was not declaring early in the process, I simply hope if he is not going to come out that he does the same this yr.
Marino says the most pc and uncontroversial thing and people blow it out of proportion Luck says the only thing he can pr wise and people think that are fans are gonna make him hold out. What luck is really thinking is "man, it's really cool how bad these fans want me". It's desperate and it's totally reaching by people who are getting way too emotional by how other fans are rooting. Us fans who want luck have no impact on the dolphins winning or losing each week and we have absolutely no impact on what luck is going to do. And what hes going to do is shake the commissioners hand and put on the cap of whatever team drafts him one, even if it's the dolphins It's only going to get worse by the way. The dolphins are going to lose, the luck fans will be happy because we will see a potential franchise changer on the horizon and the anti luckers will continue to get more desperate and look for any tidbit to blow way out of proportion and throw in our face to say "look, it's your fault that luck won't come here and that our franchise is bad"
Dolfans nationwide are VERY passionate fans who are hungering for a winner. Anyone, including myself, who is "hoping" for us to tank so we can draft Luck are only painfully doing so w/in the prism of getting Luck to hopefully save the day. I'm sure when he sits down and thinks about it, he actually thinks its a cool thing.
this is the problem....no offense...you are correct....I knew you would come around eventually And with he first pick in the 2012 NFL draft the Miami Dolphins select: Quinton Coples DE North Carolina
Exactly. I don't want to root against the dolphins but unfortunately it's a byproduct of my end desires. We realize how simply adding a franchise qb can change the fortunes of a franchise. It has happened over and over again. The colts lose manning and they go from super bowl contender to worst team in the league. The saints are awful for decades, they get brees and win a super bowl. The pats go from 6-10, then start off the next season 1-3, they lose Bledsoe and win a super bowl that same year by simply adding a qb I want the dolphins to return to what it once was. I see Andrew luck as that franchise qb that can get my dolphins there. Andrew luck will be the number one pick. In order to get luck without trading away a boat load of picks you have to have that pick. Therefore I want the first pick in the draft. In order to get that pick I unfortunately have to hope the dolphins lose. I don't want to root against them. It pains me to want us to lose to the jets but my desire for luck and what he brings is greater. I want to maintain a certain level of fitness. Therefore I go to the gym to workout and do cardio. Do I want to the gym? No, I hate it. However I go anyway because I have to, to achieve my end desires. It's the logical thought process. My primary want is luck. Therefore in order to get him i have to hope they lose. I don't want to much like i don't want to go to the gym, it's simply a necessary byproduct for my end desires
