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Merged x 1 Billion: All Things 'Suck for Luck'

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Vertical Limit, Oct 2, 2011.

  1. Vendigo

    Vendigo German Gigolo Club Member

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    Just hope that the apple fell far from the tree. I know (of) a couple of people involved in the NFL Europe and I've yet to meet anyone who didn't positively loathe the dude.
     
  2. The G Man

    The G Man Git 'r doooonnne!!!

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    Exactly what I was thinking Ven. Funny thing 'bout that though...it usually don't.
     
  3. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Well, who knows? But Andrew certainly appears to be well liked by everybody. He doesn;t seem to get surly or pout on the sidelines. He is a self described "nerd" who doesn;t go partying, etc.

    And he has handled the nearly unprecedented hype perfectly.
     
  4. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    To be fair though, Big Ben is a notorious prick (at least he was until his supposed life change last year) and he won 2 Super Bowls.

    Our own beloved Dan Marino was a huge a-hole. Didn;t matter
     
  5. The G Man

    The G Man Git 'r doooonnne!!!

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    That's news to me. Got any examples or specifics you'd like to share?
     
  6. Dol Fan99

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    hahahahahahahahahaha:lol:

    the difference between us having the best o line or the worst o line in football is nothing close to the difference between us having henne or "any other qb".... brady?IMO. Id rather have brady and a pop warner oline then henne and our oline
     
  7. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Nothing personally, but I know several people who have met him, either just around town or at events who have all said that he is prick.

    Also, I presume you watched him absolutely dress down receivers, etc., sulk on his own on the sidelines.
     
  8. The G Man

    The G Man Git 'r doooonnne!!!

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    Oh, not this again. I get into this argument with a friend (who is not a Phins fan) all the time. See, here's the thing...I never interpreted that as he is a-hole, prick or whatever other term you want to use. I always just chalked that up to him be ultra-competitive, and demanding the same level of play of others he demanded of himself. You call him out for sulking, whereas I look at it as he's pissed at himself for throwing that last pick. Or, whatever he did that he was not happy about. I don't know, maybe I just always saw it through rose colored glasses.

    I will say this too...I watched Luck play Saturday night (first time). And, I have to admit...he's good. He's very good. And, call me crazy but I couldn't help but see a little Marino in him. Actually, I think it was his body language and animated style while interacting with coaches and others players that did it for me. Could be a lot of fun watching him play if he ends up on the Phins. Could even be reminiscent of watching ole' #13.

    Well, it's 5 o'clock somewhere, so I'm outta here...
     
  9. steveincolorado

    steveincolorado Spook, Storme & Pebbles

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    I've met Marino and he was very nice to me and the other people around.
     
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  10. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    Same here...... And it was in the team hotel lobby night before a game. Nice enough to stop. Take pictures and sign autographs.
    I told him to "Go out tomorrow and kick ***"..... He laughed and said. "I plan on it" LOL
     
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  11. ToddsPhins

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    Pictures of Dolphin fans holding embarrassing "Suck for Luck" posters have already been featured on major sports sites..... and there's still 12 games to go. Do you think that stuff doesn't make its way back to the guy who has a major decision to make regarding his future? He doesn't live in a glass bubble. The entire country knows Miami's fan base is advocating a Suck for Luck campaign. In the past 8 years, he wouldn't be the first QB against playing for the team holding the #1 pick.



    Hoping the current Dolphin players lose all season is considered "energized"? I'm not sure I follow. It seems like the complete opposite of energized. You know who roots for Miami to lose games? Jets, Pats, and Bills fans do.
     
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  12. gamblerx

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    With Luck, any fanbase would be energized.
     
  13. Ozzy

    Ozzy Premium Member Luxury Box

    FSFL

    Beat the Jets!!
     
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  14. Den54

    Den54 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    AMERICA!
    Can't we do both?
     
  15. dolfan22

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    The Yets being a huge disappointment to their fans and to the media is some solace at least.... not ideal mind you , but hey we are dolfans ... next year ...
     
  16. ToddsPhins

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    Knowing that Miami is a potential landing spot for Luck is entirely unrelated to rooting for Miami to lose to get him.

    There are guys like Cam Wake playing their butts off week after week for this team; rooting for us to lose is akin to rooting for Wake & Co to fail. Waiting for Luck to be on this team before you'll root for their success is pathetic.
     
  17. ToddsPhins

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    Rationalize it HOWEVER you want. Henne has nothing to do with it. You're rooting for Miami to lose. Period. IMO that's lower on the totem pole than being a Jets fan. There probably isn't a Dolphin fan alive who wouldn't prefer Luck over Henne, but we don't all go around with a pathetic, disgraceful mentality about it.
     
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  18. PSG

    PSG Clear Eyes. Full Hearts.

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    You got the fever dj. Come aboard the bandwagon!
     
  19. Vengeful Odin

    Vengeful Odin Norse Mod

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    I just can't do it any more.

    For me, I'm apathetic. To the goings on of this franchise, to the signings, all of it. Let's be honest. This once proud franchise has slowly and surely been turned into one of the NFL's least popular destinations. From Wanny to Saban, Cameron to Parcells, we've been sold that this is it - THIS is the guy we need to bring the Dolphins back to the promised land. . Unfortunately we all know how that turned out. Wanny was clueless. Saban weaseled his way out the first sign of trouble. Cameron was - well let's be honest, he never should have been hired. And Parcells left in the middle of the rebuild, literally taking his ball and going home. This recent Dolphins history - the Ricky saga, the firings, Ginn, the fact that we are Dallas East - has just gutted my enthusiasm for this franchise. It's tough for me to get excited about this team in it's current incarnation, because even if they are playing at a high level this is a Wildcard team, at best. And that's just not good enough for me. I want this team to be relevant when discussing the very good teams in the AFC - not just a middling team, which is where we are now.

    Lots of folks want to lay that at the feet of one person, whethere it be a former coach (Dan Henning), the current coach, QB, secondary, general manager, you name it and they have been blamed. But let's face facts: This team is 0-4, and there's lots of blame to go round. Everyone - from ownership down - has, in some way or respect, contributed to this 0-4 start. I don't see how someone could single one person out and blame them for everything. That just seems counter-intuitive.

    That said, I can understand why some folks are frustrated with the Miami QB situation. We're now 13 years into the post-Marino era and yet we are about to start our 15th QB in that time frame (and I guarantee that the minds at Bristol have that graphic ready to go). At this point, looking at the big picture, it makes sense to write this season off. After all, it's been 20 years since a team started 0-4 and made the playoffs (San Diego in 1992), and let's be honest, this regime has had 3+ years to get this thing right and it feels like we aren't any closer than we were in 2007. At this point, with a lame duck coach, a guy we already attempted to replace once, calling the shots, an offense that does everything except score points, and a defense that is MIA, we may as well lick our wounds, cut our losses, and just focus on getting this thing right for 2012. I get it, and in many respects sympathize with it, as I find it to be a pragmatic approach to the root issue - that is that our Miami Dolphins are once again, as in 2004 and 2007, utterly clueless on the football field.

    But at the same time, this is my team, and no matter how apathetically bland the product is on the football field, there still the team that I root for. I can appreciate and even in some ways envy the way that folks argue passionately about this team, even though they haven't been relevant in over a decade and have unfortunately fallen far down the rung of NFL royalty. The Perfect Season was 40 years ago - longer than I've been walking the earth. Even the glory days of Dan, Shula, and the Marx brothers have an expiring shelf life. Instead our recent exeperinces have been filled with names that promised potential but never delivered - names like Fiedler, Chambers, Ginn and Brown. Guys that should still be here but were either shipped out or washed out. Yet despite that, there's still fans out there - passionate fans who, much like Han Solo, don't want to know the odds and quite frankly don't care - they just hope that Miami can pull out a win against the Jets and get on a roll.

    I think that everyone on this message board, as fans of the Miami Dolphins first and foremost, should try and understand the dichotemy at work here. To put it simply, in terms of my views on the rest of this season: 1) Do I want the Miami Dolphins to end up with the #1 pick and draft one Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford? The answer to that is why yes, yes I do. This brings me to the second question: 2) Will I be actively rooting for the Miami Dolphins to lose out the rest of the way? The answer to that is no, no I do not. I understand and recognize that these two views may, at least at the outset, seem at odds with each other. In fact I would conceed that they are. In other words, I would like the Dolphins to win a couple games but at the same time I recognize the need that we have to rebuild - because let's face it this season is 99% over and it's barely October. While I personally will not be creating any "Suck for Luck" signage or attending football games with said signage, I can understand the frustration of someone who does. This franchise has just pushed them too far. Similarly I can understand the passion of someone who is hoping for a 7-9 or 8-8 season - a positive sign that we can take to show that, despite it's outward apperances, this team actually has improved from 2007. I would advocate tolerance of both of these opinions, and all those in between - as at the end of the day we are all Dolphins fans, in our own way.
     
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  20. steveincolorado

    steveincolorado Spook, Storme & Pebbles

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    VO, people that root for the Dolphins to lose are not real fans. They are more like "they lost", or "we won" type of people. They are nothing but fake fans, phucing worthless. Sorry my friend, buts that's my opinion. You don't have to like certain players, I hated fatass Culpepper, but I still cheered for the team to win. Some of this fanbase is no better than the Eagles or Jets.
     
  21. Ozzy

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    They can but I won't be rooting for the Dolphins to Suck for Luck and especially 4 games into the season.


    So my motto is F*** Suck for Luck just win baby
     
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  22. schmolioot

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    So those of us that have been here for years are not "real fans" simply because we care more about the potential for the next 10 years rather than this one year?

    Sorry. Get over yourself. If you're not down with the whole "suck for Luck" thing then fine, but dint presume you have more fan purity than anyone else
     
  23. Ozzy

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    Actually there seem to be a few that are rooting for them to lose. That, to me, is nothing I can do. If it happens GREAT but there is no way I'm going to be dreaming like this. Its a pipe dream.

    Tolerant? Sure but like you said it goes both ways.

    Someone says I can't be on the Suck for Luck wagon and someone pops off, you got no choice or like it or not.... FOUR games into the season.

    It doesn't kill me obviously, and I'm not trying to make enemies over it but I have to speak up now and then.
     
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  24. steveincolorado

    steveincolorado Spook, Storme & Pebbles

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    Travis, I just can't understand how someone can cheer for their team to lose. I just cant. I know you want to Dolphins to win again, heck we all do. I'm not trying to piss you off, but I just cant and won't cheer for the Dolphins to lose.
     
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  25. djphinfan

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    nahh man, I may do it in my own way if we lose to the jets, but like Todd said, there is a more classy way to do so it doesn't reflect ugly back to your team and the perception of your fanbase. What I don't think a lot of people understand, is that our words collectively do have meaning to the players, the words and expressions start in places like this, grass roots, then the opinions get the casual observers on board, then that uninformed opinion makes its ways to the airwaves, then the majority wins..I believe the fanbase has embarrassed themselves this year, even though they have a bad team..and I for one am worried about Andrew Luck wanting to be here..

    I think we all need to check ourselves as fans and try to our part to change the culture of the fans as well, {show up early to games, not boo our starting QB at practice, stand and be loud when were supposed to, and literally engage ourselves into the game}, cause right now were looked at as we are the worst in the NFL.
     
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  26. Ozzy

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    Real fan or not, to me, you should NEVER root for your team to lose!
     
  27. Vendigo

    Vendigo German Gigolo Club Member

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    Nobody's asking you to. I think all the people on the SFL bandwaggon are looking for is a little respect. Calling them worthless makes you look like a small man, not them.
     
  28. muscle979

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    Drafting the best QB prospect since Peyton Manning [or John Elway according to who you ask] would not be a 'loss'. Ever heard of losing the battle but winning the war? Some people are thinking about the war here. If some people think they're better fans because they would rather see 6-10 than 3-13 or whatever more power to them. This team is winless. If they go on a 5-0 run over the next month then great it's time to change perspective. Does anybody seriously believe something like that is going to happen? I can't figure out how wanting a real QB is rooting for the Dolphins to 'lose'. It's rooting for future wins, it's rooting for seasons that matter for once. This season is done, wanting it not to be changes nothing.
     
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  29. gamblerx

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    Let's go 6-10. The Dolphins have no business getting Andrew Luck. Heck, we're fine with Chad Henne under center next year.
     
  30. Ozzy

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    Lets go 12-4
     
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  31. steveincolorado

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    VO, they are worthless. Can't respect a so called Dolphins fan that cheers for his team to lose. Should I call them, part-timers?
     
  32. steveincolorado

    steveincolorado Spook, Storme & Pebbles

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    If "we" are a bad team and do draft Luck, I'll support him just as much as Ive supported Henne. I'm just not going to respect loser fans and their sh!tty attitude.
     
  33. Vengeful Odin

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    That's just it - I don't think we need to call them anything at all. They're fans just like you and I, they just are looking at this season a lot differently.

    It'd be awesome to see the team go 12-4, win the AFC East, and make a nice run in the playoffs. But the chances of that are very, very unlikely. So we're left instead talking about Andrew Luck for the next, oh, six months or so. I think that's where a lot of folks are after this abysmal 0-4 start. The tipping point was Cleveland; that was a gut punch of the highest magnitude. That hangover carried over to San Diego. In that regard, it's actually good we had the early season bye and get a crack at the reeling NJJ on MNF.

    That said I don't think that anyone here is necessarily cheering for the team to lose, I really don't. I think that they understand the situation at hand. The quickest way from point A to point B is a straight line - similarly the best way to get this franchise turned around is with a QB. Factor in the general consensus that Luck is the best QB prospect since Manning and that's why we are where we are, I think.

    That also happens to be where I'm at; while I'm not rooting for the team to lose it's not the end of the world if they do - and if the cards fall the right way we may finally land that franchise QB we've needed.
     
  34. steveincolorado

    steveincolorado Spook, Storme & Pebbles

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    I have nothing against Luck, if we get him, then great. I will not respect PT fans. I understand what your saying, just hope you understand mine.
     
  35. muscle979

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    The losing is going to happen regardless. What some people want is productive losing. Losing that wins us something that can really turn things around. People need hope and Andrew Luck right now represents that hope. If Miami wins four or five in a row then there will be new hope. Nobody would be upset with that happening. Nobody. But let's get real. Sparano can make that happen? Matt Moore? Our defensive that is allergic to sacks and turnovers? I'd love to have luck but I'm not going to be disappointed if the Dolphins pull themselves out of the basement. SFL is just something to do until the Dolphins prove they don't deserve to be in that conversation. Hell with Chad Henne gone there's nothing else to argue about.
     
  36. GridIronKing34

    GridIronKing34 Silently Judging You

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    I don't hope for losses, but I have grown content with them. I'm not setting myself up for disappointment by hoping for a turnaround because it's too unlikely.

    I understand both sides of the argument, but I don't think either side is less of a fan.
     
  37. finsincebirth

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    Personally I hate watching the Dolphins lose, it makes me angry even in ****ty seasons like this. As a result I will never root and hope the dolphins lose, however as long as the dolphins are losing I am cheering for the other teams to win. That way maybe we win 4 games but still get Luck.
     
  38. unifiedtheory

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    We are not going 6-10. Hell, I have a tough time finding three wins on our schedule. 3-13 would be a good year for this roster in my opinion. We are staring at 2-14/1-15.

    Oh, I like Chad Henne but he is not Andrew Luck.
     
  39. TiP54

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    Eh, I want Luck on our team. Im still going to all our home games and cheering. Im not hoping my team loses, Im hoping we get Andrew Luck. But every Sunday Im cheering for a win.
     
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  40. Rouk

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    you don't have to cheer for the dolphins to lose they'll do that on there own this season go back and watch the chargers game last week they looked like they didn't want to be on the field now go and watch the 0-5 colts or the vikings etc who are still trying to win. Also I found it fun rooting for 0-4 1-3 teams this week it adds something to a lost season.
     

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