Merged x 1 Billion: All Things 'Suck for Luck'

Andrew Luck has a hell of a lot less talent around him than most QB's at big name schools. Jim Harbaugh never had great recruiting classes. Most talented players don't even have the grades to get into Stanford. Nick Foles hasn't out read or out thrown Andrew Luck a damn day in his life.

 

And the Miami Dolphins have proven your flawed theory wrong for over a decade. I'll take try something different for 1000, Alex...

 

And Barkley, and Landry Jones.

 

End thread?

 

I was incredibly hopeful before the season. I dreamed of 9-7, 10-6 and making the playoffs. I was pumped up for the Patriots, Texans and Browns games. Losing to the Browns sucked the fun and hope out of this season. Watching the Dolphins put in the EXACT same performance today against SD confirmed it. This team is going nowhere this season. Dead in the water.

Going 5-11 or 6-10 won't help us in the future. I would rather go 3-13, they can only go up. That doesn't make me a bad fan. That makes me a fan that wants hope for 2012 that we could be at the dawn of a consistent, well coached franchise, with a shot at getting a Franchise QB who could one day be a Top 10 QB. Dolphins need to return to being a playoff franchise. They were once the winning-est franchise in the NFL. I'm not cheering for losses, but I'm not upset with them now like I was the first 3 weeks this season. Don't blame the fans for losing their enthusiasm & not getting excited about an 0-4 team on a 7 game losing streak, the current longest in the NFL. Blame the team.

I'm sick of watching my favorite sports team be an irrelevant crappy franchise like they've been since 2004. This could be the deepest QB class. Luck is the big prize. I want one of them, and a new staff who can fix this team.

 

And Weeden and RGIII.

 

No we don't. Chad Henne is AVERAGE he has his moments of greatness but they don't out number his moments of WHAT WERE YOU THINKING. This team NEEDS a franchise QB. Henne isn't the guy and I can't wait until Tony Sporano and Jeff Ireland are gone.

 

I don't know why more people don't understand the logic behind what you just said. Everyone has their own definition of the word fan, and it's each individuals right to define fan by their own criteria. That's why it really bothers me how much insults to people's fandom get thrown around these boards. The fact of the matter is, a team that starts the season 0-4 is pretty much guaranteed not to go to the playoffs. So at this point we as fans can cheer for a few wins this year that will mean nothing in the grand scheme of things, or we can cheer for the prospect of having the #1 pick and taking the top QB prospect to come out in the past decade. Neither approach is right or wrong, it's all based on how you define the word fan. I've been a Miami Dolphins fan for 21 years, and I know a lot of you have been fans even longer than that. Hell, the fact that someone is on this message board is testament to the fact that they love this team. And I completely get that some people refuse to hope for the Fins to lose, and to be honest I don't believe any of us relishes the fact of cheering for the Fins to lose. But at the end of the day we're faced with winning a few meaningless games this season and picking outside the Top 10 where we may or may not find our QB of the future or tanking a season that's already lost to secure an elite QB prospect.

I know which side of the fence I fall on, and I understand why other's fall on the other side of the fence. Personally I would rather see us give up this year (which is already over for us anyway) for the prospect of having a franchise QB, a new coaching staff and a competent team for the next decade. I don't see how that makes me a bad fan in some people's eyes.

 

I can't believe some fans would rather have a mediocre (which to me reads : garbage) Quarterback and have games with low scoring like 16-13.

Recipe for losing football. Not being able to score the ball. Expecting the defense to be perfect every game and hold teams to 13 points so you can win with your 16 points, your 1 touchdown and 3 field goals.

If you ever get in a hole, game over.

Give me elite QB and potent offense, and then we give our defense a system. it doesn't matter if the defense gives up 21 a game, if we score 25-30 a game.

1 million times out of 1 million times, I take the high scoring offense/mediocre defense OVER a mediocre offense/elite defense. Mistakes happen. Games will be close. Fumbles, INT's, poor coverage giving up a long play, these things will happen no matter what. The QB has to be able to take his offense out there and score to correct these mistakes.

 

You're right bro. We didn't beat both SB teams and the AFC runner up last year. Sorry for the confusion.

 

Actually, if we're going by the "Dolphins" standard, then, unlike mine, your theory has been proven flawed for forever. Our only SBs were due to outstanding TEAM play, not b/c an elite QB took us to the promise land. Way to disrespect our undefeated season, bro.


Great team play: 2 Super Bowl wins.
Marino: zero.

 

Bob Griese was a great QB for his era. Great. Not everything is in the numbers.

Quarterbacks in this era pass for over 120 passer ratings. Alex Smith is passing for a 97 rating. He has a couple good weapons just as Henne does. Fact is Henne isn't a very good QB. You could surround him with every weapon available and it won't matter. He has a ceiling. Aaron Rodgers by the way is passing for a rating 42 points higher than Henne. That's not all Finley and however better his OL is. We need that kind of QB play. Henne isn't going to give it to us.

 

so what you're saying is you'd rather have Marino than a Super Bowl.

 

Griese was great b/c he had the best 1-2 running punch in the game along with a HOF wide receiver to throw to..... and a defense that was outstanding. He wasn't an elite passer like Marino with all due respect. If Griese were on a garbage team, he likely never sees a HOF ballot IMO.

 

Nah TP you're making up stuff. 2006 Colts were definitely that description. 1999 Rams were that description. So were the Saints of 2009.

 

Offense is your best defense, as they say.

 

7-9. Moral victories are for losers.

 

You're right. All this time I thought it was 2011, and turns out, it's actually the 1970s where teams ran the ball and QB's rarely threw for 20 TD's in a season... Maybe that explains why Dan Henning was running our offense last year...

 

Did you just say a Dan Marino team is incapable of winning a Super Bowl?

 

I wish I knew more about the other QB's available. How big is the gap between them and Luck? What can you tell me about Barkley and Landry?

 

Everybody in the league got the notice we are going nowhere with chad henne.I watch espn,nfl network, listen to sirius radio. Nobody thinks chad henne is a franchise qb except the homers on this website.
Repeat after me we will have a new qb next year,why not draft one in rd early in rd 1?

 

My man love for Marino surpasses your man love for Luck...but it is a fact. Marino didn't win the Super Bowl....not with his elite offense and average defense.

 

Honestly I think this team is a pretty quick fix. The defense is struggling for several reasons but lack of talent is not one of them. A good ILB to go alongside Dansby would go a long way. As would be full health at corner and better conditioning due to the lockout.

On offense we need better pass protection, but I think this unit can gel as it is for the most part. What we really need are a healthy Daniel Thomas for a young QB like Luck to lean on next season. As well as a #2 receiver who is consistent game to game and has the physical skills to be a game changer.

 

Yeah right. Marino is the least to blame for our missing championships. We had the franchise QB carrying us but we had many problems on those Dolphin teams. Marino made us relevant and a contender. If only we did him justice with better drafting.

But at least we were a relevant, winning, playoff team, contending for a SB year in and year out. Even with all our issues.

 

You're absolutely right. It takes a TEAM to win a Super Bowl, just ask Mark Rypien, Doug Williams and Trent Dilfer...quarterbacks Marino could blow away any day of the week, but they have a Super Bowl ring and sadly, Marino doesn't.

And why? They were better TEAMS than the Dolphins were during Marino's heyday.

 

Does your brain think I want an elite QB and a bunch of scrubs to fill out the roster?

 

With a new regime they could get more out of what we have than the one in place.I still don't think were as bad talent wise as a few years ago but are still a couple seasons away to get to being competitive for a division title.

 

Apparently so. Talk about something OTHER than your love-fest for Andrew Luck and I might start giving your opinion a lttle more creedance.

Building a football team is like building a house. You don't put on the roof until you've at least built the foundation and four walls to hold the roof up. Your recipie that you and the other suck for luck members are pushing for is the same recipie Detroit followed for so many years..quarterback, quarterback, quarterback...Rodney Peete, Scott Mitchell, Charlie Batch, Joey Harrington, Jon Kitna, Shaun Hill, Matthew Stafford...with no sense of building the remainder of the team. All those QB's, Peete to Hill were getting killed because they NEVER had any time to ever get set and deliver clean crisp passes...because they never had an offensive line, let alone a defense that could stop anyone. Quarterback, quarterback, quarterback...all they "needed" was a quarterback.

Well, look at what a difference a few years made post Matt Millen. Detroit now has an offensive line...to protect their new quarterback and look at what Detroit's doing? Thy finally have...eh hem...a TEAM and they're WINNING.

You can draft Andrew Luck, Landry Jones or the reincarnation of Dan Marino himself, but without a balanced TEAM around him, they're going to fail. This is what your posts lack. Your posts lack addressing ANY of the other issues our team has...you sound like a broken record..."Stuck on Luck"

 

I think our #2 pick should be spent on a safety.

and our #3 on a corner back.

HOWEVER, I hope they don't draft based on need. Draft based on best talent available unless it's really close.

 

Ahh yes, because the Steelers had elite OLs when they've won their two titles recently. Along with the super-awesome Green Bay Packers OL.

If you have a QB that's quicker between the ears and can scramble you don't need an elite OL, just need one that'll keep him upright for a couple seconds.

Also, I didn't realize that drafting a QB #1 overall means the team is forced to forfeit all of its other draft picks. Must be a new rule under the new CBA that I missed.

 

It's posts like yours and electrolyte's that cause my brain to hurt from the headsmacks I give myself after readng them...flabbergasted that the football knowledge of this fanbase has regressed to a neanderthal state.

And in the ignorance of your post, you only validated my argument regarding "team" and the necessity for an elite defense to be successful. Green Bay won the Super Bowl with the number 2 defense in fewest points scored, average of 15 points per game. Pittsburgh, athough they lost to Green Bay had the league's leading defense in fewest points scored averaging 14.5 points per game.

Offense wins games...DEFENSE wins Championships!

 

In this forums, you got people that believes that you don't need defense to win it all.

 

This is a good point....I wouldn't agree if it was year 3 with whoever is in coaching...but with our current state of affairs, I cant agree more. Lets get some game changers in here, even if theres still some areas that might have been higher need. Ive seen enough in recent years to realize that 1 play maker can cover for a couple "eh" players when the game is on the line.

 

Hope we get diamonds with the lower round picks.

 

If that's the case, we should have won yesterday seeing how our defense just laid down for a sun bath, huh?

 

Doubt it. In this forum you got people that believe Henne is good enough to win a championship. Then you got people that realize you need an elite QB to win a championship, with a good defense as well.

I don't know if you know this, but you can draft an elite QB...you can't draft an elite defense. So why is this a debate. Are some of you seriously thinking Luck wouldnt be the best pick?

If so some of you are more delusional then I could of even imagined.

 

If we don't get luck and I don't think we will have the number one pick I hope we back and pick up an extra 2nd, we can use every high pick we can get

 

You also utterly destroy your franchise if Luck isn't the guy everyone is squeezing and rubbing each other over.

 

As opposed for rooting for your team to lose? They have a name for that but I would have to post it on a different website.

 

Nappy, I do not believe any one of us are actually rooting for us to lose. We don't have to, they're [team] doing this all by themselves.