Merged x 1 Billion: All Things 'Suck for Luck'

These other people on this site are in denial or have to much ego to admitt it.The chad henne era is over we will have a new qb next year as well as a new coach.I am just praying it will be luck i feel the guy is going to be special.I don't understand the peyton manning comparision he reminds me more of aaron rodgers.

 

If we get the #1 pick, I'd do my best to trade that pick. With the new salary cap for rookies, I bet we could get a lot in exchange.

 

I'd love Luck but I think regardless were coming away with one of the top QBs in the draft whether it be Luck, Barkley, or Jones. I hope its Luck but that would mean being the worse team in the league.

 

We don't have a QB now. We need one bad.

 

Ok fair enough but you know this entire organization is going to be torn apart and retooled in the offseason.This team can't afford to draft a lineman or a ****ing rb with a top 5 pick.Like I said before you draft the qb and build a line (already have 2 studs)and ****ing keep drafting playmakers.They way the rules are set up now nobody has a great defence and to win you have to throw and the more weapons the better.The ****ing packers have 1 stud reciever and 4 really good ones plus a stud te.Spread em out and attack the weakness of the defence.

 

It just means we had the worst record in the league, not necessarily that we were the worst team (we aren't even after today). It could also be that the team that's actually worse than us, the Rams, finishes with a worse record and we're still able to pick up Luck because they'll pass.

 

Exactly. How about starting with holding an entire team accountable since this is a team game? Giving them a pass b/c a QB like Marino might possibly "fix" everything is nothing more than an excuse for them to under perform.

And teams have tried taking #1 QBs with crappy organizations on teams that play like crap...... and you know what typically happens to those QBs? They frequently get destroyed and/or never play like the guy they thought fans were drafting. This is a talented team. There's no excuse for the overall sloppiness we're seeing. People should stop fixating on some QB (whom we dont have) suddenly being the cure-all for everything. Until we HAVE that QB we shouldn't be talking about it as if we DO have him. Focus on what we have. Win with what we have. Hold the guys and coaches we have accountable and to a higher standard...... and if we don't get the job done and end up drafting #1, then, only THEN is when we should be looking toward Luck. Wishing for us to speed up the process doesn't make us lose any more games.

But even then we'd still need this team an organization to turn things around b/c of he talent level we have. This is a team that could easily be 3-1 right now if we played solid football. Luck doesn't fix that. That's on this team and coaching staff.

 

1. No one is saying Andrew Luck is the cure all (maybe some fringe posters, but not the vast majority). You're making this up to suit your argument and infatuation with Henne.

2. We know the coaching staff sucks.

3. We know the team is playing sloppy.


#2 + #3 = top 5 pick. And since there's nothing worth talking about in the present, we're talking about the future. The future at least has hope...

 

**** that,hope ross doesn't hire you lol.

 

Really. I highly doubt that.

 

No worries, I'm not applying.........lol

 

Why? The top 2 QB's in the league today are not #1 overall picks. Tom Brady and A. Rodgers.

 

Had me worried i thought i heard ross had a flight booked to colorado.

 

And have the pleasure of watching the best QB prospect in almost 20 years tear it up and win championships.

I'm sorry, watching Brees and Rodgers is upsetting enough, adding Andrew Luck to that list would make me cease watching the sport.

People need to stop this, if we end up with the #1 pick we are taking Andrew Luck and there really is no discussion to be had. As soon as he declares I'd announce we are taking him.

 

Yes but it appears that the surest way of finding a QB like those two is two draft Andrew Luck. Also, if Peyton was healthy it would be tough to make the above statement.

 

I wish it were that simple with this franchise.

 

Tom Brady was a once in a lifetime find and Rodgers was discussed as a potential #1 pick until half way through his senior season. His draft day drop was stunning. Thinking we can get a franchise quarterback without REALLY investing in one is why we have waited a decade to find one, and continue to wait.

 

We never came close to winning the Super Bowl with Marino. Go watch that game, the 49ers kicked our *** bigtime. We never had a chance there. Our teams were better then, then they are now, but the argument now is that if we get Luck, we're set. Why not trade down and get several good players?

 

Because the QB is worth more than those several players combined.

 

So let me get this straight. Part of this fan base will only root for this talented Miami team to win IF they have a HOF QB running the offense? That's disgraceful and embarrassing IMO. If fans want to be THAT fair-weathered, then why not save yourselves the trouble and become a Patriot or Packer fan? Just saying. Wouldn't that be easier than hoping your team loses out with 12 games left to play? lol

Personally, I'd rather finish last in the AFCE for 10 straight years than root for my team to lose....... but, hey, I have principles. Anyone on a "Suck For Luck" campaign rooting for their team to lose with 12 games left in a season is equivalent to being pathetic and not worthy of being peed on by a fellow Dolphin fan if on fire. That's how I feel at least. Root for Miami or find another team. It's that simple. This team can do without fans like that.

 

Because Andrew Luck is too good to pass up. You'll realize that as soon as the off season hits and Henne is gone.

 

But if you have Long and Pouncey you at least have the makings of a good line, and it would be far easier to fill in the spots with capable personnel than it would finding and having the opportunity to draft someone like Luck.

 

All I have to say is that Andrew Luck is overrated, good QB but a product if "hype".....rather draft Nick Foles. Foles gets it done with a sub-par surrounding cast and makes some amazing freaking throws! He doesn't get all the "hype" as Luck because he plays for the UofA but if you put Luck behind UofA's OL he would have a lot worse #'s than Foles. Luck has had a great team around him and with that a bunch of notoriety and people building him up to be more than he is. Foles can scramble and make great throws on the run, he also can read defenses very quickly because he is pressured all the time. Foles is a big tough guy and will have a better career in the NFL imo

 

I agree. I never root for us to lose. Unfortunately, we are bad. Our coaching is bad. Our Quaterback is bad. Our defense is bad. So we're going to end up in a position to draft Luck, Barkley, Jones, Weeden, or Griffin. So, we're going to talk about them until one of them is wearing a Dolphins jersey.

 

Andrew Luck is overrated and not the #1 QB prospect. You are in a town and the population is 1.

 

Man, you make it sound so easy. Every team in the NFL should take note b/c they apparently didn't get the email.

 

Honest question, have you ever watched Andrew Luck?

 

Uh oh, someone is gonna call you a selfish fan for wanting your team to win some games.

 

You didn't get it straight. You missed the part where people are finally realizing that you need to have top notch QB play just to have a chance to win. This somehow gets filtered in your mind into a statement that no one will root for the team otherwise.

 

Ross called me and I said "No Thank you", it's to phucking hot down there......lol
I told Mr. Ross about this site and he could find several options here......lol

 

Go away, stop trying to sabotage this franchise.

 

I'll be the population 1 all day ebby day with pride if it means not rooting for my team to lose. I don't care who the heck Luck is or what he represents. I'd rather root for my team to win and draft #2 in 2012 than root for them to lose and draft #1. I'm glad the fan base doesnt run this organization b/c a team that has a losing mentality will continue to lose no matter who's at QB.

 

Petfectville?

 

LOL, all the time. I see a guy who has always been surrounded by talent and has always had plenty of time and security in the pocket. Makes you look really good when your job is a lot easier than most other people doping the same job. I'm not saying he isn't a good QB just saying he is over hyped. Wouldn't be the first time a top tier college QB was over rated or over hyped by the media and fans. If you don't watch UofA football you would have know idea what Nick Foles is capable of. Can out read and out throw Luck any day of the week

 

If that's your rationalization, that's your rationalization. You missed the part where teams have proved your flawed theory wrong every year. Your mentality is so disillusioned b/c of Marino that you don't realize teams win without HOF QBs.

 

I've watched both. I particularly like Luck more, by a lot.

 

Sorry TP but there's a level of play that elite QBs are capable of that some others aren't and that's what breaks the back of mixed coverages, exotic blitzes, and top athletes every time.

Look at Baltimore as an example. They romp up and down the field but until Flacco joins that top group they're not Superbowl bound.

 

I can only speak for myself and not other members on this board, but the idea that simply drafting a QB in round 1 and building around him is the answer is more INSANE thinking than building a solid team and then adding a QB.

Aaron Rodgers, 2nd QB taken with the 24th pick in the draft, spent 3 years on the bench learning from a legend (btw Favre was drafted in the 2nd round) and took over a team that was 13-3 the year before.

Tom Brady took over a team that was in the 2nd year of rebuilding behind Belichick and defense was #6. Anyone that thinks NE is all Brady only needs to look back at the 2008 season when Brady went down and the team went 11-5 starting a QB that NEVER started a college or professional game in his career.

Ben Roethlisberger took over a team whose defense was #1 in the league.

Drew Brees drafted in the 2nd round and basically sucked the first couple of years and a guy that goes by LT running the ball.

Kurt Warner signed UFA went to a Rams team that had Faulk, Bruce, Holt and the #4 defense.

And the list goes on and on of FRANCHISE QBs that didn't go in the 1st round and/or went to teams that were already solid enabling them to succeed. Peyton Manning has been the exception, not the rule.

However, looking at the QBs taken #1 since 1990...

Jeff George, Drew Bledsoe, Peyton Manning, Tim Couch, Michael Vick, David Carr, Carson Palmer, Eli Manning, Alex Smith, JaMarcus Russell, Matthew Stafford, Sam Bradford and Cam Newton.

Every one of these teams thought they were getting a "franchise" QB. This list totals exactly 2 Super Bowl winners (P. Manning 1, E. Manning 1) and only 3 Super Bowl appearances (P. Manning 2, E. Manning 1) and if the last name isn't Manning it equals 0.

Here is the list of QBs taken in the TOP 10 in the draft since 1990...

Cam Newton, Jake Locker, Blaine Gabbert, Sam Bradford, Matthew Stafford, Mark Sanchez, Matt Ryan, JaMarcus Russell, Vince Young, Matt Leinart, Alex Smith, Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, Carson Palmer, Byron Leftwich, David Carr, Joey Harrington, Michael Vick, Tim Couch, Donovan McNabb, Akili Smith, Peyton Manning, Ryan Leaf, Steve McNair, Kerry Collins, Heath Shuler, Trent Dilfer, Drew Bledsoe, Rick Mirer, David Klingler, Jeff George, Andre Ware.

Given this list above of ALL the QBs taken in the TOP 10 picks in the draft since 1990 "ONLY 3 SUPER BOWL WINS" between them (P. Manning 1, E. Manning 1, Trent Dilfer...cough, cough).

So Yea, I am one of those insane fans that doesn't think simply drafting a QB with the #1 pick in the draft, let alone top 10 is a panacea for Miami becoming Super Bowl champions.

 

So you're agreeing with me that a QB can't do it all on his own? Finally. Someone else who gets it. Please help me spread the word man b/c some of the fans think a HOF QB solves all our problems.