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Armando with some scoop..

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by djphinfan, Sep 26, 2011.

  1. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    Exactly what plan did Jeff have for the draft and free agency?

    Miami has to be one of the 5 worst teams when it comes to signing free agents over the past 4 years. Out of all the free agents they have signed, the two best have been Randy Starks and Richie Incognito. Karlos Dansby is overpaid for what he is doing right now. He hasn't made a big play since he has been in Miami, and he is very slow to react to the ball. Ernest Wilford, Jake Grove, Justin Smiley, Gibril Wilson, Kevin Burnett at this point......all are sunken costs at this point.

    As for the draft, his track record isn't so great here either.
     
  2. Desides

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    If you recall, Henne stalled in the red zone against the Jets on that drive. He was yanked on 3rd & Goal for Ronnie Brown and the Wildcat.
     
  3. Zod

    Zod Ruler of the Universe

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    It would be too inconvenient to "they hurt Chad Henne" to admit that the WC helped this team. No, the WC did all harm. It was a stupid gadget created by stupid people who didn't know how to develop a quarterback. That the story and I am sticking to it. ;)
     
  4. schmolioot

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    We have too many people who see simply "not being a major problem" as some kind of positive. It isn't.

    This roster has been poorly constructed from the start. We have a game manager at best QB who we're asking to throw 35 times a game, and then don't put a pass blocking line in front of him.

    We have 6 DE's who are all the same, none of whom make any plays. The LB's, who are supposed to be the playmakers ina 3-4 are virtually useless outside of Wake, who is having a crummy season so far and the secondary is in shambles with nary a playmaker back there.

    Just terrible. If Ireland is actually safe we are doomed to continue the madness.
     
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  5. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Jeff Ireland is a weasel Svengali wormtongue who will probably manage to somehow plant poisonous whispers in Stephen Ross's ear to keep his job.
     
  6. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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    Here is what may be Jeff's saving grace (in addition to perhaps Carl Peterson).

    http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/09/...miami-dolphins-fizzle-tony.html#ixzz1Z4BSga00

    http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/2011/09/cleveland-perhaps-it-was-a-parapraxis-or-perhaps-it-was-just-a-tragically-constructed-sentence-either-way-dolphins-qua.html#ixzz1Z4BaG7CG

    So Armando has two sources inside the Dolphins who insist that Ross closed the wallet for 2011.

    If Ross truly ordered Ireland not to spend in free agency, then he's probably not going to fire Jeff thereafter.
     
  7. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    Possible, but maybe Ross saw that Ireland has been piss poor at spending free agent money previously and told him not to waste anymore money on players like Ernest Wilford, Gibril Wilson, Justin Smiley, and Jake Grove.
     
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  8. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Justin Smiley and Jake Grove were quite good from a talent analysis standpoint. I don't think you can pin any institutional decisions on Ernest Wilford or Gibril Wilson.
     
  9. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Actually, why in the hell are we even talking about Ernest Wilford? He signed a 4 year deal worth 13 million dollars, and a 6 million dollar signing bonus. That really isn't extravagant money.
     
  10. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    Well, let's add trading for Reggie Bush and then giving him $10 million over 2 years instead of going after the cheaper, more effective alternative in Darren Sproles.
     
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  11. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Ok, so you're up to two moves in four seasons. Utterly damning.
     
  12. Triggercut

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    I wonder if deep down inside each of us is a conspiracy theorist just waiting to get out. I think Armando has been dying to write some of the stuff he's been holding back on, but that Ross is holding Ireland back because of money is unjustified conspiracy talk. There is a cap Miami is up against, and money HAS been waved/given to players this offseason. If Ross told Ireland to cool it on the FA's, it's because Miami has been burned repeatedly by poor choices. It looks to be happening again with the Bush experament. It's the nut pickers and the coaches that cannot develop their players. It seems that the only reason the whole lot of 'em aren't gone is because Pennington fell into their laps that one year.
     
  13. Lloyd Heilbrunn

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    I suspect Ireland's relationship with Ross' pal Carl Peterson is what is getting him the possible pass from Ross.
     
  14. jw3102

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    Normally I don't believe half the things I read in the paper. Yet, I think that there is a lot of truth in what Salguero is reporting. Ross has not shown since he took over ownership that he is willing to do the things necessary to bring a winning team to Miami. Now there are reports from some inside the organization that he is unwilling to spend the money to bring the best available talent to the Dolphins. If he has no interest in spending the money to upgrade the talent on this team. He needs to sell the team to someone who is interested in spending the money and bringing a winning team back to Miami.

    Prior to reading this article, I thought the main problems with the Dolphins were Ireland, Sparano, and the overall talent on the roster. While these are still major issues which need to be resolved. It now appears s that the real problem with the organization is an owner who is unwilling to do what it takes to improve this organization.
     
  15. Rhody Phins Fan

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    I don't think you can ignore the Smiley and Grove signings. Those two had clear injury tags on them and we signed them to big deals only to see them get injured. What happened is not simply bad luck.
     
  16. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    Jeezus...you have GOT to be kidding. "Isn't as bad as most beleive?" Are you freaking serious? The Browns, without even their best offensive player? Aren't as bad as most believe?
     
  17. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    No, it's not simply bad luck. They were injury prone, but should they have expected both of them to suffer what appear to be career-ending injuries?

    It's also worth noting that the consequences of their injuries were utterly negligible. We suffered little to no salary cap penalties due to when they were released, and when they both got injured during the 2009 season, their back-ups played well.
     
  18. Nappy Roots

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    I'm so on the fence about Ireland. While I think he's done a very good job in some parts of the roster, he's done a terrible job with others. And he's not onoy not good in free agency, he has an awful plan as well it seems. But this is still a roster with young studs with boat load of potential at the CB, DL, WR, RB, and Center position. We simply have failed miserably at both safety spots, OLB opposite wake, 3 OL spots making a couple of the most ridiculous decisions there with resigning incognito and signing Colombo(wonder how much tony had in on this oL) and the TE spots.

    I think knowing if the OL was Tony's deal or not would seal the deal for me. Ireland has a good eye for some talent, but if he's responsible for that OL disaster, then he needs to go as well.
     
  19. Stringer Bell

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    How much money did those guys actually see????
     
  20. Stringer Bell

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    You really think that was Ireland's decision?
     
  21. Nappy Roots

    Nappy Roots Well-Known Member

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    Who cares how much money they saw or didn't see, it was still bad personnel decisions. They were brought in to be starters, regardless of how much their contract was, and they were failures one way or another.
     
  22. Stringer Bell

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    When they were starters, Grove and Smiley were both playing well.

    Regardless, the owner absolutely cares about how much money they saw or didn't see, which I believe is the entire point here.
     
  23. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    No, I listed several more. You just want to dismiss them because in your opinion, the money wasn't that great. It is the fact that they thought Wilford was the answer to anything and they sunk cost in him. That goes for Gibril Wilson as well. 5 years, $25 million sunk. They took a strong safety and tried to make him a free safety.

    Right now, Karlos Dansby is a sunk cost. He's decent, but he is not worth what he is getting paid. I can count on one hand how many plays he has made in his 1+ years here, and he is also late to find the ball when reacting to the run. The same thing goes for Kevin Burnett. I'm not sure what he is getting paid, but right now, he's a downgrade from Channing Crowder. Channing could at least find the ball and wasn't late reacting to plays. Channing's biggest problem was that he didn't make plays, and that he was too quick and would overrun plays.

    But that is just his free agency black marks. The fact of the matter is that he has done a poor job of constructing the roster. This team has no depth on the offensive line, mostly due to poor draft picks at this position since Jeff has been in charge. The team has no depth at running back. They have defensive backs with poor ball skills and poor recognition skills. They have linebackers that are athletic but have trouble finding the ball. They have failed to balance the pass rush. They have also failed to supply the team with appropriate depth at tight end. The quarterback position is still a question mark.

    So, basically outside of a few draft picks that turned out well for him despite him blowing an inordinate amount of picks in rounds 2-4, Jeff doesn't have a leg to stand on. The only reason he got this job in the first place was because he would do Bill's every bidding will.
     
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  24. Nappy Roots

    Nappy Roots Well-Known Member

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    Yes, and how long did they last? And no, that's not the entire point here. The entire point is, he makes bad free agent decisions, not that he gives out to much money
     
  25. Stringer Bell

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    The point made was that Ross wouldn't allow Ireland to spend any money in FA, because of all the wasteful spending previously made. In reality that just makes things worse.
     
  26. Disgustipate

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    They thought Wilford was the answer to needing a big, physical possession wide receiver, and I don't think it was an inherently bad idea. They didn't pay him that much, and it's not that big of a deal consequently. Gibril Wilson flat out sucked, there's no mitigating that.

    Dansby is more than decent. He literally does everything well, and a mediocre start to 2011 doesn't really change his history here and elsewhere, especially when he's played this last game recovering with injury. Burnett so far has not been good, but it's also once again been three games in his tenure. A three game stretch of not particularly distinguished play isn't really close to damning.


    The roster is certainly flawed, but again, but you can't really claim it has no depth when the depth hasn't actually had to play in any significant degree. I don't agree at depth at runningback. They don't have the depth they've had, but it wasn't really worth the price. I don't agree with ball skills either... That Cleveland game had quite a few plays being made on the ball. Jimmy Wilson had two. Yeremiah Bell had a big one in the red zone. Jones and Smith had a pair on the statline that I don't remember.

    They've not "failed" to balance the pass rush, they've failed to manage it well. Jared Odrick should not be lined up at a wide of tackle technique roughly 50% of your Nickel formations. Koa Misi should not be relegated to base 3-4 only for you to do this.

    As for quarterback still being a question mark... What was the proper course? By that exact same virtue, Matt Ryan is a question mark. Henne is outplaying him right now.

    They absolutely, positively have not blown an inordinate amount of picks in rounds 2-4. I'd love for you to do anything whatsoever to show what normal success rate oun 2-4 is and what the Dolphins have in relation to it.
     
  27. ckparrothead

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    I think that right now, 0-3 with our prospects being very daunting on winning games for the rest of the year...everyone's looking for answers and so naturally people are flinging stuff on the wall to see what sticks. That includes fans, media, players and even people that work inside the Dolphins and would rather not come to grips with the fact that they probably did a poor job.

    About 85% of what you hear out there is probably going to be scapegoat in some way or another.

    This Stephen Ross stuff is to me some of that scapegoating. And worse, it's probably asss-covering, as Boomer rightly suggested in the Club Level. Armando Salguero evidently texts people high up in the Dolphins, including Jeff Ireland, like 50 times a day. And then finally he gets something back from them. What this means though is he's available, the most available mouthpiece for them to get stuff out there that they want the public to hear. They don't have to go to him, so it doesn't look suspicious, he's always coming to them. And everyone that works inside the Dolphins' facility is going to start the finger pointing game because BY ALL MEANS it can't be that they were actually bad at their job.

    I look at the history of the team.

    Jeff Ireland spent $20 million of Stephen Ross' money on Jake Grove, Gibril Wilson and Eric Green in 2009. He then cut Eric Green in camp, and cut Jake Grove and Gibril Wilson a year later, with Grove having given us an injury plagued year and Wilson having given us a bad year. Did Stephen Ross pipe up and demand why players he gave so much money are being cut after having contributed very little or none to the team's well being? Did he demand that Eric Green be kept for the regular season after paying him a $2 million bonus, or demand that Grove and Wilson be given additional chances after having given them about $18 million total in up front money? No, he sat idly by and let Ireland waste his money.

    Jeff Ireland in 2010, after flushing $20 million of Stephen Ross' money down the toilet with little to no reward, then gave a $48 million contract to Karlos Dansby and a $50 million contract to Brandon Marshall. When was the last time Miami EVER gave two mega contracts out to new acquisitions in one off season? For all Wayne Huizenga's reputation for signing checks, I don't recall the team ever making two high profile, high dollar acquisitions like that in one off season. Did Stephen Ross get in the way of that? Or what about when Will Allen went on Injured Reserve, and even his agent pointed out that he's fine with it rather than working out an injury settlement, because in his own words "The Dolphins are paying him handsomely to be on IR". Did Stephen Ross pipe up and say you better give that man an injury settlement and get rid of him, I'm not paying the guy to rehab another year?

    Or how about 2011? Did Stephen Ross step up and tell Jeff Ireland he can't cut Benny Sapp because his being on the Week 1 roster just guaranteed his $2 million salary? No. Jeff Ireland just flushed Sapp down the toilet and wasted even MORE of Ross' money. Did Ross prevent Ireland from giving a $5 million per year contract to Reggie Bush, or $10 million in guaranteed money to Kevin Burnett? No.

    Efforts to paint this guy as the second coming of the Glazers are just ridiculous. His problem is the OPPOSITE of what is being discussed in this thread. He's not discerning ENOUGH with his money. He SHOULD be questioning the wisdom of giving Jeff Ireland all these blank checks, because the man just pisses away his money faster than a meth addict.
     
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  28. jnaledu3

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    I think the more obvious reason for the lack of player acquisitions is the reason that we knew since January.

    Players and coaches (and more importantly their agents) knew that was a sinking ship and did not want to come here. Its not because of money. They did not want to come here for 1 year and have to go somewhere else in 2012.
     
  29. gunsmithx

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    It's kind of ironic but it really feels like Ross is just too trusting of his football guys. He knows he can't be Jerry Jones or Al Davis or such(a good thing I would think) but he's going way to far in completely not questioning whats going on. I'm also curious what Peterson is saying to him as well and I'd have to guess that Ireland isn't part of those conversations. I think a huge part of it is just that Ross is still basically a rookie owner trying to figure things out. He's a smart guy, he can learn, the question is if he he'll learn fast enough.
     
  30. jnaledu3

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    This is what you want in an owner. You hire the people to do a job, and let them do their job. Don't get involved.

    Make no mistake about it, potential coaches and GMs are keeping a close eye on how Ross handles the current situation. If Ross lashes out, says or does something dumb, he will reduce his chances of getting the best coach/GM to come to Miami. So far he hasnt messed up- yet.
     
  31. gunsmithx

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    But like Ck said he's probably being a bit too hands off(that we know of) His biggest mistake was last off season but he himself said that part of that happened because he really didn't think people would do things like track his airplane. He's really a rookie owner and alot of people want him to act like he's been doing this decades. If we were winning(say like 2-1) I don't think you'd really be hearing how Ross is the devil or some such nonsense.
     
  32. jw3102

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    I agree that an owner should hire people for the job and let them do their job. The problem is that Sparano and Ireland have been doing a bad job since he purchased the team from Huizenga. So he should have fired both these individuals after last season. His desire to keep Ireland as the GM was the reason many of the top named coaches on the market didn't want the HC position.

    If Ross wants to entice Cowher, Grunden, or Fisher, after this season to become the new HC. He will have to be willing to fire Ireland when he fires Sparano. All these coaches have to do is look at the lack of talent on the Dolphins presently and realize that this lack of talent was selected by Ireland. No coach worth anything would want to have to work with Ireland as his GM.
     
  33. fin13

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    All this **** storm is about Parcells the football CZAR that was hired to build the organization, he brought the people in charge now and I'm sure made draft decisions.
    When he saw his personal failure developing he walked with a guarantied contract, he avoided getting any **** on him and now he's on TV telling everybody how it's done.
    I can't believe Sporano who wasn't even an offensive coordinator and of course Irish as a GM.
    You think Parcells would have fired Sporano and looked for the right people and try to finish the job.
    I blame Parcells when the going gets tough he ****s off
     
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    I honestly think Parcells got out when he did because he could see things coming he didn't want any part of. He tried to distance himself from the organization to minimize fallout from the coming storm. There have been bad decisions made in the organization that fall squarely on Parcells head. Ireland has made mistakes but I think he is getting credit or blame for mistakes made by Parcells. Now he is sitting back in his guru chair completely removed from the debacle he helped to create.
    I know some people will say he left because he could leave and still get paid for the remainder of his contract. But Bill Parcells has a big Ego and if he thought things were going well and the team was making great strides he would have hung around to get his share of the credit for rebuilding another franchise. He knew initial mistakes were made and things were not going well and he completely cut ties for damage control but thats just my opinion.
     
  35. Onehondo

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    Parcells brought in his friend Tony Sparano and recommended Rex Ryan to the Jets and told them something to the effect that they can't go wrong. Did he have the same sentiments about Sparano?
     
  36. muscle979

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    He knew Rex was a better coach, he just wanted somebody on the sideline that would do whatever he told him.
     
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  37. Pandarilla

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    Nice points about Ross, CK...Still doesn't explain the perplexing reality of how every fan knew there was a need to sign a quality O-lineman, yet Irish still didn't even bring in anybody of note for a workout; ala Stinchcomb, Watters, Gurode. Hell, Mckinnie was right there for the taking at the beginning. Perhaps he was turned down but 8 million under the cap seems suspicious. O'hare is still out there right?
     
  38. Stringer Bell

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    I think those guys might fall under the part where Ross didn't want to spend any more money. Waters and McKinnie both got relatively decent money. I think their only options on the OL were guys that would accept the minimum, or close to it.
     
  39. PSG

    PSG Clear Eyes. Full Hearts.

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    I've been saying this for 6 months. And every time I do I get flamed.
    I'm convinced it's gonna happen.
     
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    This. There were several reports during the off-season that Peterson thought highly of Jeff Ireland.
     

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