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Stunning confessions from Dolphin players about poor performace

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by cobrajet, Sep 22, 2011.

  1. Onehondo

    Onehondo Senior Member Club Member

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    At least Jason Taylor indicated he knew of a problem with the team. Sparano Said he didn't know what the problem was. I really don't think you can exclude Sparano from responsibility for the problem. As head coach he has overall responsibility for conditioning, training and preparations for the team. The players are not without blame but Sparano gets the final blame.
     
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  2. Disnardo

    Disnardo Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I guess we all should think that TS should have come out after the NE game and said that his team is not in football condition, having bad practices and even though getting the team prepared, they are not performing what they have been preached...

    Saying that, we should all feel better about our team as well as our opponents...

    What I am impressed about, he is actually letting the vets do the policing and talking...

    You can talk up a team a whole lot and prepare them, but in the end it is up to every individual in the team to do their job and do it well... even if the coach has the ultimate responsibility...
     
  3. miamiron

    miamiron There's always next year

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    Who is this SPORONO person you speak about????
     
  4. Jaj

    Jaj Registered

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    Is there really a difference in the 4-3 whether Taylor or Wake play LE and RE? I think they're both capable of playing in that scheme (with some new wrinkles like Taylor dropping back into coverage and the MLB blitzing with the two DTs. Wake should be able to play either end as well.
     
  5. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    Just like JT said. Sparano hasn't missed a tackle, Nolan hasn't blown a coverage and Daboll hasn't thrown a pick.

    It's time for the players to step up and make their name. Mike Nolan’s defensive scheme is proven to be effective. Brian Daboll’s offensive scheme appears to be more suited to taking advantage of the passing rules than what they were running last year.


    Coaches don’t make stars. Stars make themselves.

    If there are no stars, that's all on Ireland.
     
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  6. Vengeful Odin

    Vengeful Odin Norse Mod

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    In most standard 40 fronts there is a Strongside DE and Weakside DE. The Strongside DE usually plays between the TE and T while the WDE lines up against the T exclusively. Obviously the formation can shift, so they can shade to either the outside of the T, straight up, or inside the T.

    With Dansby out playing some 40 concepts on defense wouldn't be the worst idea in the world. We have the versatility along our defensive line to be effective.
     
  7. Jaj

    Jaj Registered

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    No I realize that but the LE and RE in the 4-3 over aren't too different as far as who the players are. They can be flip-flopped. I'm comparing to that the 4-3 under where the LE is likely to be a 275lb strong side end. The death of that old 4-3 over defense was that you could pass on it up the middle but the way I look at it if we have guys like Odrick/Starks at three tech, with Starks/McDaniel/Olshansky at one technique, we can put pressure on the quarterback from:

    - Odrick, Starks, Wake, Taylor while still stopping the run.

    as opposed to

    - Soliai, Starks, Langford, Wake

    The pass rush is probably twice as potent out of that first lineup.
     
  8. cobrajet

    cobrajet Mr. Ross - sell the team!

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    There is no speculation to it. You can't sluff off in practice if the coaches are doing their jobs. Do you think these guys could have pulled this crap on Shula? "Thought not". All of this comes down to coaching because the coaching staff sets the mission statement for the team, the team always adapts the attitude of the coach because it starts there and trickles down. Inmates do not run prisons and players do not run teams. If there are not giving full effort in practice then its the fault of whoever is in charge of overseeing them.
     
  9. cobrajet

    cobrajet Mr. Ross - sell the team!

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    Thanks Desodes!
     
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  10. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    Please. Now you're just being silly. Nolan's defensive scheme is tried and true but we're still looking at one of the worst defenses in the NFL. At some point a player has to make a play. Blaming coaches is lazy. IMHO
     
  11. steveincolorado

    steveincolorado Spook, Storme & Pebbles

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    I agree that what was said should of been behind close doors. It's really nobody's business.
     
  12. Darrelle Revis

    Darrelle Revis I BELIEVE!

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    I thank the lord you guys never hired Rex Ryan and he took our job first.
     
  13. steveincolorado

    steveincolorado Spook, Storme & Pebbles

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    You guys also hired Bill B and he quit after a day or two and went to New England and has won 3 super bowls.
     
  14. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    J.T. is trying to fill in the leadership vacuum.
    truth is...
    I'd like to see him as interim head coach replacing Sparano "the incompetent".
     
  15. DePhinistr8

    DePhinistr8 Season Ticket Holder

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    JT as interim head coach????
    {notsureifserious.jpg}
     
  16. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    Do you really think Tony didn't know that the practices weren't crisp and that not everyone was being serious about preparing ?? The guy may or may not be the best coach in the league, but he's not stupid either. Sparano and the staff can only put players in a position to be successful. If they are, it's because they made the extra effort to do so. There wasn't an offseason this year. We have a very young team. You can't blame him for conditioning, training and preparations when there wasn't an offseason. As to practices, the staff can only do so much.

    EDIT: Coach speak. Tony can't start placing the blame on the players to the media. What do you think he'd really say ?? Well, um...some of the guys aren't practicing very well... Right...

    However, you are right that Sparano will get the final blame, even tho it probably won't be all his fault. That is the nature of the beast in the NFL. So TS is a goner, because our idiot owner is probably already wining and dining Gruden, Cowher, Fisher...whoever....
     
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  17. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member


    Wow...just WoW....
     
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  18. BicketyBam

    BicketyBam No Fist Pumps Allowed

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    Really? I thought for sure you would be begging for Pennington to be coach!
     
  19. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    From what JT said, it was said behind closed doors...someone (cough...Salguero...cough) blabbed it out there for the world to see. You're right that it was the business of the PLAYERS of the Fins, no one elses...shame on Mando, again...(does that really surprise anyone)...

    In case your interested, here's the follow up article from Mando: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolp...that-obviously-is-miamis-red-zone-offens.html
     
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  20. Disnardo

    Disnardo Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    LFF, I don't blame Armando for letting the scoop put...

    I do blame the persons/player/coach who let the information out to the media... Don't care nor don't know if he is the most talented player on the team, but he should be belittled in front of his team mates for letting the story out...
     
  21. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    True enough Ck and now we know that it wasn't supposed to be out into the media, but somehow Salguero got a hold of it and it came out. But the bottom line is that Ross needs some wins, soon...
     
  22. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    Yeah, his line in there about 'it's news' is BS to me...he will stir up whatever he can to undermine this regime...
     
  23. Da 'Fins

    Da 'Fins Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    It turns out it was said to the players. Not to the media. It evidently got out through the players tweeting about it.

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8227d597/article/fins-de-taylor-peeved-by-locker-rooms-lack-of-secrecy?module=HP11_headline_stack
     
  24. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    Sparano won't even be able to get a job s an offensive lines coach after this fiasco
    should hire Chad Pennington to coach the the team for the rest of the season
     
  25. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    I feel your pain. Every time I see somebody write Larry Czonka, or Zack Thomas, I die a little inside.
     
  26. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    That makes no sense. If Bill knew he was going to be leaving, he'd want to have in place a head coach who could run things properly without him overseeing it. Unless you want to believe Bill intentionally planned to sabotage the team all along by deliberately hiring an incompetent.
     
  27. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    It sure seemed to be vulnerable by my recollection whenever we went to a prevent, or needed a crucial 3 and out by the opposition late in a game.
     
  28. Pandarilla

    Pandarilla Purist Emeritus

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    It's the same with me right now. I'm never going to be able to conjure up some creative genius idea that will ever be able to consistently overcome my bad habits. But man, Tony if there ever was a time to let them start tackling in practice, now would be a good time.

    Man, whoever let's this talent actually practice tackling next year is in for a Gruden-sized cupboard of talent on Defense (talent). I know the Trifecta's mantra has been that it lessens injury, but they never tell you how it affects your overall style of play.

    Oh, and our defensive coordinator apparently has a history of turning into a vagina in his second year.
     
  29. Pandarilla

    Pandarilla Purist Emeritus

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    Feck, your post gave me deja vu.
     
  30. Califin

    Califin Well-Known Member

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    While it's not crystal clear what was shared, Taylor himself told the newspaper that a "faction" of Dolphins players don't believe the team is built to win in today's NFL.

    Apparently quoted from JT, this suggests more than simply lax effort, poorly addressed practice drills, or an inability to win, but that the inability is rooted in the assembled roster, consequently beyond their current reach, and ultimately to a potential tumor in the locker room.

    Of course there IS always the possibility, this "faction" arrived at their defeating conclusion after visiting some online carcinogen spewing forum.:whistling:
     
  31. RevRick

    RevRick Long Haired Leaping Gnome Club Member

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    Naw.... that could never happen. Fans giving up on a team never effects the team. They are manly men, sleep all night and work all day, and never get effected by what others say. Next you'll be telling me they wear suspenders and a bra.

    Don't know exactly where this is going, but if they do happen to read some of the vitriol spilling out of some places I have seen on the board, and take it to heart, they would wonder what, beyond the paycheck, they are playing for? Now the paycheck is important, but if that's the only incentive all they're doing is phoning in the game and waiting for the next opportunity to get off the carousel. The overhyped reaction to the excessive hype of the almost sexual arousal about bad news for the Dolphin's franchise in the Miami area is not helping any - to be sure. Throw in the three-ring atmosphere of the Dolphins Front office the past year, and it's not a small wonder that they even have a team that scored points, let alone can only moan and complain about the mistakes made which cost them games against two of the 'better' rated teams in the AFC.

    All in all, sometimes it seems as if some of the fans have once again wandered into that territory from which derives the origin of the word itself - fanatic.
     

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