Wow. We're 0-2 and Henne Looks Great. I Eat the Crow.

You shouldn't have to act like you're the one member of congress not voting for the war, just to levy a criticism at a QB performance where the guy only completed 12 of 30 passes and threw an interception in the shadow of his own end zone. It's just a testament to how it's gotten around here that in order to say you weren't happy with a QB that had a 56 QB Rating and got us only 13 points despite the ground game's success, you have to look over your shoulder as if you're worried that the wrong person might hear you.

 

I didn't think Henne was as bad as his numbers yesterday, much like I didn;t think he was quite as good as his numbers suggested he was against NE.

I think he just is what he is at this point. He's allright. If everything goes well you can win with him, but you're always going to be looking for better options

 

You're blaming him for the sack? Child Please.

 

Not even sure what you're thinking here.

I'm not blaming anyone for anything. I'm saying that he accumulated the above stats during that 5 minutes of garbage time at the end of the Patriots game, after Wes Welker's 99 yard touchdown put the game's outcome completely out of reach. I'm saying that if you adjust out those statistics, Chad Henne still has a 79 passer rating, and has led the offense to scoring about 15 points per game despite Miami running backs rushing for 4.4 yards per carry.

 

I fear us catching Alex Smith Syndrome.

 

Yeah, true.

Although Harbaugh really didn't have any other option, as their future QB is not on the roster right now, I don't think.

 

The way the NFL is structured, if you're QB isn't at least Joe Flacco, he isn't good enough. Chad Henne is alright, but that isn't enough.


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i honestly dont think he is far off though. its just that nothing clicks with this team at the same time. the team is very difficult to assess, imo. collective success and failure during a game is so volatile.

 

Yes. And at that point we had two failed Red zone (1st and goal) attempts which led to one TO on downs and one field goal, a really good opening drive, and a gift from the Defense. Not that impressive up to that point.

 

I still don't see a situation where we hire a new coach and the first thing he does is give Chad Henne a new contract.

We're going to waste a lot of time talking about a QB and a coach that won't be on the roster next year.

Be more interesting to figure out who we think stays through a rebuild.

 

Actually you are wrong. I did not complain about Henne in any of my posts yesterday. I did on the other hand complain about Sparano and Ireland. Better check your memory.

 

That's a good big-picture viewpoint.

Nolan could stay, but only if he can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he's not responsible for the "head-scratcher" personnel decisions...or for starting Reshad Jones over anybody else on the roster.

 

Agreed. Without an elite or well above average QB in this league, you'll do nothing but tread water.

The only team without an elite/elite-ish QB to win a Superbowl in the last decade were the Ravens and they only won because they had the greatest defensive unit of all time on their side.

 

Nolan runs the defense, who else would you blame? He has not been a good coach so far this year. But the players on the defensive side seem to me like they didn't work out during the strike like Henne had offense working out. henne in a way became a team leader doing that, but it seems nobody on the defense did.

 

At this point , why would you automatically say Henne would not be on the roster next year?

The positive change from last year to now , indicates he may continue to improve. Drew Brees wasn't the QB he is now and Henne shouldn't be dismissed so easily at this point , imo.

 

As of right now, he's a free agent in 2012.

 

He's not going to get a ton of money from anyone, so I'd like to see the new administration sign him and let him compete; maybe be the bridge to a franchise QB later in the season or to start the next.

And who knows...

 

It's certainly possible. It's also possible that - based on potential coaching/GM changes - he's going to find a more favorable situation elsewhere.

But anyway, I was generally speaking. As of today, he's not on the roster in 2012.

 

If there is a rebuild and Henne isn't signed on for at least a 1 year to compete or be the backup, I will be pissed. He's not going to command much money and he is a decent starter and would be an excellent backup.

 

If there was a new regime and Henne wasn't signed on, I would think that is expected.

 

Why?

What other good options are out there?

 

Funny thing about that, if he has a good year, he'll probably price himself out of getting re-signed by a new FO. If he has a crappy year, he'll stand a better chance of coming back as a stop-gap.

I mean, if he puts up Kyle Ortonesque numbers, and we know Orton was asking for around $9 million over 4 years - who in their right mind would pay that if you are going for a rebuild after this year? We'd be installing a new offense anyways.

 

I think Chad Henne could get something above the typical backup's salary of $3 million, maybe like $4 or $5 million.

Wait I just lost my train of thought thinking about $5 million. I'm sorry, why am I supposed to feel sorry about any criticisms of the guy again?

 

Because of "all the things he went through". I'm not quite sure what exactly these things are, but from what I've gathered in the last several months, Chad Henne apparently lost his family to a Tsunami, got buried alive in an underwater cave in Tajikistan where he was forced to live on his own extremities, and then had to watch all Transformers movies in one session. Or something like that.

 

In his defense, he did get blamed for the housing bubble burst, the hole in the o-zone and Nickelback.

 

There is no hole in the o-zone. Don't you read the PoFo? Jeez, some people ...

 

Haha - if Obama is a secret member of ThePhins, he probably reads the Pofo, then comes to the Mains and thinks, "Damn, and I thought they were rough on me."

 

Yeah my comparison to Orton's demands was assuming he has an Orton-type year and looks solid. I just don't think a new FO commits to him. If he were under contract, yes, but as a FA, I don't see it.

 

He can have an Orton type year (85 passer rating, lots of garbage production) and he's still not getting much more than what I said. Maybe $6 million, tops. But I doubt that.

I just think that in the end he'll look for greener pastures. His Miami experience hasn't been the best, I'm not sure he has a ton of ties down here, he could just be off trying to look for a place that promises to coach him proper and give him a real shot. I can't blame him.

 

Either way, my point is that he won't be on the Dolphins anymore.

 

If this thing blows up and its a completely new regime, then it's probably best for everybody to just start fresh, including Henne. Not that I necessarily see him being handed a starting job somewhere but I could see some team making him a bridge guy. Nice work if you can get it

 

Which a competent GM can handle ....ooops .... my bad ...

 

I can see Henne playing well, the Phins still sucking (Smith, Wake, Solia, or Davis getting hurt on D would cook our goose IMO), and a new regime tagging and trading him. I think he has shown more upside than Orton, much better arm IMO, and he could really push the difference in value in this offence. If that scenario plays out, clean slate for the new stud QB + picks would be attractive to a new coach.

My hopes are that we are in position to draft Kellen Moore. That means this season won't be a wash, and I think his height along with some of the other QBs coming out are going make him a value pick. I'm calling him the next Drew Brees now.

**edit** I'd love to see him and Henne battleing it out to be the starter the next couple of years.

 

"Only 13 points"? Does he throw the ball to himself? Isn't Marshall responsible for catching well thrown passes?

Does the ground game's success include a critical fumble to start off a drive that appeared headed for points, especially after the previous drive led to a Henne TD?

How about poor Oline blocking? What kind of drive can Henne have when Columbo allows a defender into Henne's arm leading to an INT? How about a drive that ends b/c Long gives up a 3rd down sack? How about a drive near the redzone that ends in a 3rd and 15 run up the middle?

What about the chunk pass interference yards we're now receiving b/c we're attacking downfield? Does that show up in Henne's QBR?



Let's look at a the drives.

1st drive: Henne sacked on 3rd & 8 by Barwin who badly beat Jake. This was after a 2 yard run by Bush and an incomplete pass to Mastrud. MASTRUD? Our first snap of the game and this is the best talent we can put on the field? No chance for Henne to do anything.

2nd drive: Henne throws back to back completions to Marshall & Bess for 51 yards. Then we immediately get an illegal substitution to put us in 1st & 15. JJ Watt pressures Henne and the deep pass to Brandon is incomplete. Then Gates drops the 2nd down pass. On 3rd & 15 we run Thomas. Field Goal.

3rd drive: Mario Williams hits Henne's arm for an INT on the 2nd play. End of drive. Columbo's blocking is on Columbo, not Henne.

4th drive: very solid drive mixing run with pass. ended in missed FG. A TD would've been nice.

5th drive: I believe this is the drive that Brandon drops the TD, resulting in a missed FG. Brandon's dropped TD is on Brandon; the throw was money!

6th drive: 3rd & 7 at midfield and Jake has a false start putting us in a difficult 3rd & 12 that we don't convert. You cant throw that on Henne for not converting a 3rd & 12.

7th drive: Solid running & passing. No mistakes. TD pass to Marshall.

8th drive: Daniel Thomas fumbles on 1st play. Henne has no opportunity despite having a great TD on the previous drive.

9th drive: Henne threw for 41 and ran for 20. Marshall stops his route on what could've been a jump ball TD in single coverage. We get a FG.

10th drive: Bush gains 3 yards, and Henne is pressured and forced to scramble on his 2 lone pass attempts. Punt.

11th drive: Starts with a sack for -9 yards. All over from there.

 

Yesterday's game is what has killed his QBR.

In the Pats game, his QBR was 112 when the game was within 11 points or less (including Miami leading). Right before the Welker TD, his QBR was 96.3. He finished the game with a 93.6. Garbage time included a INT that was utterly meaningless. Those garbage time stats actually lowered his QBR.

 

Yup, and how about chunk yardage via pass interference calls? They don't show up in Henne's QBR, but they move the ball down field just the same. He probably has over 100 PI yards on passes that were on the money and could've been caught without the interference.

Dropped TDs also keep his QBR from being higher than what it should, just as 2 bogus INTs significantly drop it lower.

 

You know what I would like to see... for real comparison sake? What Tom Brady's numbers are like when he is under constant pressure and being knocked down. I seem to remember not too long ago when the Dolphins had a formidable pass rush and pressured Brady he didn't look too good. In fact at one point I remember Brady having a rather poor QBR lifetime when facing the Dolphins... that all changed once Parcells took over. Maybe I am hallucinating and all that never happened... but I am pretty sure it did.

No I am not comparing Henne to Brady... I am curious as to how great Brady looked when in those types of situations. Because I remember some pretty damn poor performances by him against our past defenses.

EDIT: I realize I opened with for comparison sake... I guess in the long run it is a comparison between Brady and Henne in high pressure situations... I admit that. But I am not saying Henne is in the same tier of QBs that Brady is in. Why would I? Brady has WAY more experience and a coaching staff that knows how to take advantage of opposing teams weaknesses. EDIT: (Oops... just realized, this may be taken as an "excuse machine" comment... oh well...)

 

3 games ago for Brady, he was destroyed by the Jets when under pressure all game.

In Brady's last playoff game before that he was beaten up by Balt--- 23/42, 154 yards, 2 TDs, 3 INTs, 49 QBR. (1 of those TDs came after trailing 27-7).

 

In back to back games last year vs Balt & SD, he was sacked 7 times and knocked around.
Stats: 46/76, 451 yards, 5.9 yards/attempt, 2 TDs, 2 INTs, and roughly a 75 QBR.

Despite only throwing 2 TDs, NE was still able to score 46 total points to win both of those games 23-20 & 23-20 even though Pats D allowing 621 combined passing yards.

 

Thank you. I am glad to see that there are many so QBs that could have done better than Henne under the same pressure. :wink:

Again, NO, I am not saying Henne is as good as Brady... because he is not. But, I think Henne handled himself well in his situation against the Texans.

Now, I really would like to see how he did against our defenses when Taylor and Thomas were terrorizing him. I remember many games with fumbles, sacks, interceptions...etc. Then I await, the same damn "excuses" that many say we make for Henne, for Brady. All of the sudden people are going to say that Henne has an all-star offensive line, running back, and way more talent at the WR position than Brady had back then. I can tell you one thing they won't say though... That Henne has a better coaching staff backing him... and that in the end is the REAL problem.