A Perfect Complementary Piece Is Out There...Gulp

I'd be on board. A guy that will do anything to win, that will pick up his teammates, and face adversity head on no-matter the cost, the type of guy that will be a good person in the locker room, off the field, and would be a great face for our franchise? Yes please.

 

No offense intended- you're easily one of the best posters on this site and I always look forward to your comments and analysis. The Gators thing doesn't bother me- I grew up down here, same goes for UM and FSU fans. But for me guys like Percy Harvin- a pure talent- and Tebow - a rather unique talent with some prima facie flaws- are beyond that stuff, I'll just judge them as football players. If Denver is determined to play out this weird turn of events I'd be all for capitalizing on it and acquiring Tebow. Merling and a draft pick- bring it on.

Alen, a question- have you heard anything as to whether or not Parcells would have taken Tebow at #28 last year? I still wonder about that one as he unabashedly loved Tebow. My suspicion is that we would have taken Ponder this year if not for Minnesota, I'm still curious to that one as well. Cheers.

 

If Tebow is so friggin' good then why has he dropped behind both Orton AND Quinn on the Denver depth chart. Wonderful college talent that doesn't translate to the NFL game.

If he could play baseball worth a damn we'd probably be calling him the next Pat White at this point...only bigger and holier.

 

Well, he was good enough last year to replace Orton and have the Broncos actively shop Orton this year. Curious.

 

Probably would be better for him to play in Jacksonville than Miami. There are so many Cane fans in our fan base who have always hated the guy and would never give him a fair chance.

 

The only reason he replaced Orton last year is because that team was out of any contention and the former Denver staff wanted to see what they had. Shopping Orton was 2-fold...one, they didn't want to pay him all that money he was due on his contract, and 2, Tebow sells jerseys. That's great, but he's just not very good. I have no idea if that can change down the road, but if we're going to experiment with a talent, I'd like that talent to at least be able to take snaps from center.

 

I simply think its as narrowminded to claim he is only a QB - just as narrowminded if you dont think he can succeed as QB. He has led an NFL team to a W as a starting QB (lots of other prospects never did that). He produced 11 TDs as a rookie in QB role (lots of other prospects never did that).

He could be a best of both worlds. He loves to be on the field and produced in a role he is asked to succeed in. The more times he is on the offensive side as a non-QB playmaker the better. Also, as others have said, a Tebow Bush unique package could very well equal the Tebow Harvin combo.

 

None taken. Thanks for the kind words mate. I was not told anything on Tim Tebow. I wish I was becausw it would have been nice to know. Moreover, regarding Ponder, I was told (which I passed onto a few people here) that Jake Locker and Christian Ponder were the top two guys on Miamis board. I received the information fromn a good source as well. One that is connected. Not saying the above is absolutely true because I was told it, but I'd like to think that it is indeed true. Cheers.

 

If Dolphins fans can cheer for Chad Pennington they'll cheer for Tim Tebow.

 

Wow, if you root for your Pro Team based on College past.....thats NUTS!!!!

 

In Quinn's defense, he's played pretty well this preseason...... and we can't forget that Quinn, too, was a first rounder.
So in a way you could call that an even battle.

 

why are so many assuming that tebow is willing to play another position?

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...will-play-whatever-position-hes-told-to-play/

he put that to rest a long time ago...I would take him at his word to give it a 100% go! And him being a 3rd QB and special QB package guy and continuing that learning, while also being put in a successful position of TE/H-back could be perfect mix.

 

And even if you'd not seen/read that, it would be totally out of character for a Tim Tebow to refuse to do what the coaches ask of him.

I think when you look at what Tebow has put out there on the football field in 6 preseason games and his regular season rookie games, there's a big disconnect between that and the way he's being regarded by his team and some members of the media. The team would probably have us believe that the delta is explained by Tebow's performance in practices. I'm not sure I believe that, and even if I did believe it, my first thought would be that perhaps you're putting a little too much stock in what goes on in practice versus what goes on in games.

I'd bring Tebow here and work him as a Tight End, a Wildcat, and even as a 3rd quarterback. And if he gets into the games and looks good throwing the ball, I'd let him compete there too.

 

The best GM's in football acquire talent, regardless of what that talent is. There is no doubt that Tebow is a talented player who can provide certain things for your team, even if he never becomes a full time starting QB.

The only question Ireland really needs to ask is this: Is Tim Tebow a better option as a 3rd QB than Pat Devlin, both for this eyar and the future? I think the answer is obvious. If our 3rd QB had to play, I'd sure rather have Tebow than Devlin.

 

I agree with the consensus that having Tebow on the team makes a lot of sense for Miami. In a lot of respects he would be similar to how I expect them to use Charles Clay - though obviously he can do a lot more in the passing game and gives us options out of the Wildcat. Also, If the plan was to use Daniel Thomas in the Wildcat, and Thomas is struggling, I would think they have to at least consider as it could help the offense. Plus, as has been mentioned, getting use out of the 3rd QB spot would be an added benefit.

The other question you have to ask is whether or not Denver would be willing to deal with us. With the whole Orton fiasco just fading in the background I'm not sure how willing Elway to deal Tebow to us ...

As for the price, he's clearly out of favor in Denver. Because of this, I'd be a 5th rounder for him. That probably won't get it done, so sending a player with a 5th would make sense. Denver had signed a DE in Ty Warren who is now out for the year. I would package the underachieving Phil Merling, who was rumored to be part of the original Orton deal, and see what the Broncos say

 

Exactly.

 

Good point. Merling, a 5th, and a bow around it would be more than fine for me, too, VO. Actually, if we're doing the whole bow thing, I want Virgil Green thrown in also.

I dont even know how I'd go about Tebow. Since he's ridiculously behind at TE, do you dedicate an entire season to him learning only TE, and then worry about the wrinkles later on? I'd almost want to sacrifice getting him up to speed ASAP. No d***ing around.


Anyone who has NFL Preseason Game Pass should check out the first half of Houston vs New Orleans (namely- Texans offense) and notice how Houston uses James Casey (#86).

Casey's versatility is just outstanding. Texan fans will likely forget the name Leach in no time at all b/c, not only is he opening holes for Foster, but he's a serious threat in the passing game, can be motioned all over the field, and is an ex QB so I'm sure we'll see some WC plays during the season.


I'm hoping Charles Clay can develop into this. You can already tell that Casey will be an important piece to their offense (and IMO play a pivotal role in their success). Plus Casey's a smart player, and I think you need a smart guy to really own that role well. Honestly, how do you properly defend the pass or run when you have weapons all over the field and your FB is a quality blocker AND is as talented & dangerous a receiving threat as half the league's starting TEs (if not more)?


That's the role that Tebow would thrive in. He and Casey are nearly clones of each other----- virtually identical in size, build, strength, talent, athletic ability, fire, passion, dedication, determination, and ability to step up and make plays. You could do some direct snaps to him. Maybe a little fullback passing action. If you put another 15 pounds on him, he'd be a devastating lead blocker since he has that warrior mentality, great balance, can run behind his pads, and seems to have a natural gift for understanding leverage. And then he's a mismatch on LBs if you split him out. He could be an All Pro 3 years from now. I'd rather take the demotion and become a potential All Pro at something than be a QB whom people may forget about in 5 years.

 

This what I posted in the other Tebow thread that got moved, but I think it applies equally here.

I don't think his fall was that surprising once Fox was hired as HC. I have no doubt that Tebow could be successful, but he needs a coach who is unconventional enough to use him. These are all the same arguments that were used when he went to college. How there was no way he would succeed in the SEC. Well there he ended up in a suitable system and it made all the difference. The system will be the same determinant in the NFL. I actually think he would work in Daboll's system. Now he would still need to develop as a passer, but he's a far better developmental QB prospect than anything currently on our roster. And with the third QB rule change, he would be a better goal line option than Larry Johnson. I would be all in for a Merling for Tebow trade (I'd even throw in that 6th I'm guessing they were willing to use on Pryor). You put him at third QB and have him spend the whole season working on taking snaps from center and throwing the ball on time. You unwrap him periodically for use on the goal line and on 3rd or 4th and short (much like UF did his first season). Next year you still draft a QB early and suddenly you have a nice stable of guys with potential.

 

How about Polite & Merling (and let us save the draft pick)? Fox still needs a true FB doesn't he?

 

Frankly, IMO, if we add Polite, I want a pick from Denver in return (5th, 6th or 7th) something at least.

 

James Casey will be 27 next month, and Tebow just turned 24. Casey played 1 year of TE at Rice before going to the NFL. In Houston, it's taken him 2 years of developing to get to where he's ready to make an impact, but I'm sure the Texans are glad they kept him.

So I don't see why Tebow, too, couldn't be transformed in 3 years by the time he hits 27. I'd wait for that player.

 

Does anyone have any idea if Tebow can block or catch well? I'm mystified by all this talk of switching positions- dude is a Quarterback, I'd be surprised if that's not where he stays. I've seen this guy make the throws- college for sure and some in the pros- that he has to. Opinions are obviously all over the place, from Gruden and Dungy to Hodge and now Esiason. The most controversial telent ever, as far as I can recall.

 

A. He has all the tools you'd look for as a fullback (I just mentioned some of those in a previous post), and the guy LOVES to hit people!

B. If there's anyone that could develop into an elite FB based on little prior experience, it's Tebow (but at least he already understands an offense and other player's roles coming from being a QB).

C. " Catching"? He's an elite athlete. I seriously don't think his hands would be any worse than Fasano's. We're not talking about Drew Bledsoe here, gheesh. Respectfully, I find it odd that you tout both his ability as a QB and natural talent but then in the same breath question his potential ability to block or catch.

He might "be" a Quarterback right now, but that does not mean that's the role he was born to play. I'm sorry, but I'd rather have Tim Tebow, All Pro linebacker or TE, than Tim Tebow, average QB.

"some" throws in the pros isn't quite good enough if he wants to stay a QB.

 

I don't know if Tebow can catch and I don't think he'd be a particularly good route runner. That's why I haven't talked about him at TE, despite my desire for us to add a receiving TE. But I think that his potential at QB and his contributions as a 3rd QB/Wildcat QB and in short yardage more than justify the trades that I and many others have been proposing in this and other threads.

 

Coming from QB, doesn't he at least have a fundamental understanding of route running? I know that's not the same thing as running them, but isn't it easier than moving from RB to TE?

 

He's a winner, pure and simple. If he could play backup QB for us, once Henne gets hurt we might never see Henne again. It's mind-boggling to me how everyone rips Tebow apart. He's the most obvious leader there is. He can take the NFL pounding. He's already had some solid games in Denver. He'll only get better with time...

 

Yup.

 

Understanding routes and running them are two different things. I'm sure Tebow has a fundamental understanding of taking the ball under center, but it's going to take a ton of reps for him to get that down. With route running he could probably get a couple of routes down fairly quick, but he won't be anything close to a receiving TE unless he just has some natural ability there.

 

Tebow can't run routes? Why would you doubt that. He has insane quickness. I'm not saying he's quick, he's remarkably quick. If you took a 4.2 runner and ooohhh and awwwweed at his speed, you should do the same with Tebow and his quickness for such a big man. He works incredibly hard and there's even a video of Tebow running a route in practice for fun. He actually looks he's run routes before. With that kind of of work ethic I think he'd actually become one of the better ones. He knows where to be to help his QB. He has downfield speed and he's as tough as they come. Had he started a tight end I think he'd be an All-Pro as TP mentioned.

 

He's not playing a position other than QB, so it's ridiculous to even be talking about it. Besides the fact that I think he's an NFL QB, what would be the point for any team to try to turn a QB into a TE or a FB when he's never played those positions before in his life, when you could sign or trade for or draft any number of players who have played those positions their entire lives and won't have to learn them on the fly?

He'll either end up as a starting quarterback, settle for being a career NFL backup, or he'll go play in Canada and be a starter there. Those are really the only three scenarios we're looking at here for the Tim Tebow career arc. He will NEVER be an NFL tight end or fullback. Ever.

 

I agree.

 

Oh the death threats Henne would receive if Tebow landed in Florida...

 

If Tebow were just now playing football for the first time (despite playing Madden for 10 years), what position would you want him developing in? I'd probably say LB first, followed by TE/Hback..... and QB might be 4th behind FB.

 

why would he receive them if we're winning?

 

Here's what Jason Cole had to say:

Yahoo! Sports senior NFL writer Jason Cole joined us on the show on Wednesday, and he offered his own assessment of Tim Tebow and his NFL prospects:

What's your take on Merril Hoge's incessant criticism of Tim Tebow? "Look. [Hoge] said [his] piece. Let it be. That's my thing about Tebow. It's almost coming off as... almost jealousy due to the fact this kid gets so much attention. Tim Tebow gets a lot of attention from people because he is a guy of very strong faith, OK, and he's not afraid to say it. That's good. Good for him. And he's a good person who works really hard and all those other things, but I think it creates some resentment, especially among players, I think, because, look, the guy hasn't done anything. You know, let's pay attention to a guy because he's done something. I mean, whether that's really what Merril is doing or not, that's the gut feeling I get from it. ... As a player, look, he's got all sorts of faults and, sadly, Denver made him a first-round draft pick. I know that Josh McDaniels, and not John Fox and John Elway who were... McDaniels was the one who made the choice back then and a lot of things have changed for him. I think that Tim Tebow has a chance to be a good player and maybe even a starter, OK? But you have to work with him a lot ... and by making him a first-round draft pick, there was always pressure that he was going to have to play right away. And, on top of all that, he's really not that good of a practice player, probably because his mechanics are so bad. You think a new coach is going to come in, look at this guy and say, 'yeah, that's the guy I want to pin my hopes to'? That's not going to happen in this league. It's a storm of things that are going wrong for Tim Tebow right now. And I think Merril is pounding it way too hard. The kid's not going to play, he's not going to play right away, he may get a shot later on. Hopefully, for the kid's sake, he makes it, but he's probably not, because, guess what, it's hard to do."

No question about that: "So let it be. You said your piece. He's not accurate. We know that. Anybody who's watched football knows he has bad mechanics. Everybody who has watched football knows he's not accurate, but he's a decent kid. Let it be. I just think that Merril has taken it too far. Every time I've written something critical of Tebow, I get the whackadoos, and look, I live in Gainesville, Florida, so I know who those people are. They're whack jobs. They really do think the kid walks on water. He's a really good kid. He works really hard. I think he has a chance to get it out of him. But, he's got terrible mechanics. What do you want me to say? He can't throw a ball accurately."

http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports/dolphins/joerose/2011/08/yahoos_jason_cole_tebow_probab.html

I agree with a lot of that, but not the accuracy part. I've seen too many throws- If I'm wrong I'm wrong, but I'd still take this kid on the Dolphins in a heartbeat. Interesting comments, makes me think that Alen1 was on the receiving end of doses of Tebow mania that I haven't been subjected to.

 

Route running is very nuanced. It takes time to get good at it. I doubt that anybody who hasn't put in that time or who does it only part-time will be good at it. Look at Ginn as an example. He was considered a very good athlete and a very hard worker. But he was raw. He didn't start running routes until his sophomore year. After four years he still wasn't natural as a route runner (or as a receiver).

 

Honestly, I'd almost rather take the amount of time needed to develop him into a "maybe starter" QB and use it to develop him into a dangerous,versatile Hback who can also play WCQB.

If you want him to continue at QB, that's understandable...... but it just wont happen here, and personally, I'd rather have Tebow than no Tebow.

 

I see him as a QB- bottom line, flat out. I have no reason to believe that he could be a better FB, TE or HB than any number of guys out there looking for a job in the NFL. Dude is a Quarterback.

 

Based on Tim Tebow's physical abilities, concentration and athletic prowess, I don't think he'd have any problems learning how to run routes. He ran the cone drill in 6.66 seconds, which is almost unheard of even for guys that aren't 6'3" and 236 lbs. He can move really well, has good body control, balance and agility. And the ability to slow things down and process information quickly that you need to have to be the quarterback he was in college would avail him in learning to run routes.

Not seeing an issue there.

Blocking would normally be the bigger issue, but this is a very strong, very tough and very physical player. He's always been physical, always comfortable with physicality, you'd almost say he seeks it out too much at times. That to me suggests that he could learn to block as well.

Overall I think he'd be about as good a conversion prospect for the Tight End position as you'll ever see. Conversion prospects can only be so good, because there's always an underlying percentage chance they just don't get it. But among fellow conversion prospects, I'll say I can't think of any QB-to-TE conversion prospect I've ever seen that I would say had a better chance at the conversion than Tebow. The work ethic and passion for the sport figures into that.

You add onto that his ability on the goal line as a Wildcat out of the single-wing attack Urban Meyer employed near the goal line...that makes for an interesting and potentially very valuable football player.