The surprising fall of Tim Tebow

He cannot beat out Orton or Brady Quinn or this other guy few have heard of, yet people want to bring him here?

I just don't understand.

 

its not only football related, but the marketing aspect of it can´t be ignored, tebow back in florida ? his presence alone could fill that stadium in half, to me its not about tim tebow the QB, its about tim tebow the football player, you love to have a guy on the team who gives effort and that is tim tebow, i really hope this goes down, but since there is really no word from an official media outlet, i doubt its gonna happen, but some of us can still dream about it.

 

Was it really all that surprising...? I mean really now.....whoever wants THAT guy here is a fool....

 

No, I don't think it's surprising. He had/has so much to work on just in terms of mechanics and understanding the intricacies of playing quarterback at the NFL level. I thought it'd take him 3-4 years before he'd be ready. Couple that with not being able to work during the lockout (at least with NFL coaches teaching him) it just adds to the project that is Tim Tebow.

 

I don't even understand how this is a surprise, when most scouts and talent evaluators all said he'd have the problems he's having. This has nothing to do with Tebow hate, but everything to do with unconditional Tebow love.

 

Here in Miami as a TE (H-back) and unique QB package could/would be quite different that Denver - especially if wanted vs. un-wanted. Denver is going above and beyond to say UN-WANTED for all to hear. Elway (and Fox) is fixed in what he wants and doesnt want; but in Miami, especially as athletic TE/H-Back and special package QB would be different. Worth a shot especially if cut....and worth a shot if we move Merling for him for example.

Tebow is a 100% effort/willingness playmaker...those experts would never predict 11TDs from last season...but he accomplished that.

Our roster is not stuffed with PLAYMAKERs...we have room to add him and benefit from it.

 

not surprising at all. id be more surprised if he played well.

 

I saw a great college QB, but so was Torreta, Ward, Leaf, etc. In Denver I saw Ray Lucas with Jets.

Its telling you're under the assumption that he's 4th on their QB chart simply because of FO politics and not because he's sucking in camp.

Newsflash, Tebow is not Jesus.

 

Tebow is a Footballer who's value exceeds strickly being a QB. His value to Miami is being more than that and impacting the Offense. He will be a package QB...but can also be a TE type. Athletes like him and his attitude is worth that shot. its not a knock on him to say he is more than simply being a QB. He offers more.

 

The only surprise was that John Elway thought he was a 1st round QB in the first place. And I don't quite understand the "he's a hard worker" arguments. So what? So was Rudy. He's got to be able to see the field to be of any value. I don't doubt that he could come in on goalline and short yardage Wildcat situations, but unless he can also give us some snaps at TE, that's hardly enough to warrant a roster spot. And people aren't going to fill a stadium to watch a guy ride the pine all season.

 

I didn't think Elway was even there when Tebow was drafted by Josh McDaniels...might be wrong, but I don't think Elway was in that spot yet.

 

I stated his value is more than QB only. My hardwork 100% comment is geared toward his natural willingness to attack the process of being a successful TE/H-Back and continue to improve as QB. He can thrive in Miami with this challenge. And Rudy produced against all odds....Miami isnt stocked with Offensive RUDY's willing to do anything to get a chance to shine. We need more Rudy's!

 

At Florida I saw a quarterback who had some elite talent surrounding him on offense. They also had a defense with guys littered across the NFL now. In both Gainesville and in Denver I see a QB who can't take a snap from center and dropback at the normal pace of an NFL QB. I see a quarterback who almost has smoke coming out of his ears when he goes through his progressions (see the SEC Championship game loss to Alabama or the Merril Hoge breakdown of him on ESPN a few weeks ago). I see a QB who can't throw a spiral on a 5 yard slant (see every freaking ESPN teaser clip during the Kyle Orton trade saga). I've heard and watched multiple outlets say that the Denver players themselves say they believe more in Kyle Orton than in Tim Tebow.

All things considered, I see a QB who needs 3-4 years of work just getting the fundamentals right to be able to play in an NFL-style offense. His mechanics aren't good, and what's more, they're not consistent. On one play he throws from his shoulder, the next play his windup looks longer than Byron Leftwich's. He's a leader with a great attittude and intangibles who was hurt a ton by the lockout not being able to be in the Broncos facility to study film, work on his mechanics, and develop timing with his NFL receivers. He'll work his tail off trying to improve, but I think from the point he has to start from to where he has to go is far greater than you think it is, and the NFL talent evaluators said as much and thus far, are spot on. That's what I see.

 

Ray Lucas played as good as Tebow did in back up duty when Lucas with the Jets.
In 99, Lucas had 60% completions 14 TDs and 6 ints and 1600 yrds in 9 games.
Tebow racked up 50% completions 6 TDs and 3 ints and 654 yrds in 3 games.

Those are very similar numbers. Those are also facts.

 

I don't think it was that surprising once Fox was hired as HC. I have no doubt that Tebow could be successful, but he needs a coach who is unconventional enough to use him. These are all the same arguments that were used when he went to college. How there was no way he would succeed in the SEC. Well there he ended up in a suitable system and it made all the difference. The system will be the same determinant in the NFL. I actually think he would work in Daboll's system. Now he would still need to develop as a passer, but he's a far better developmental QB prospect than anything currently on our roster. And with the third QB rule change, he would be a better goal line option than Larry Johnson. I would be all in for a Merling for Tebow trade (I'd even throw in that 6th I'm guessing they were willing to use on Pryor). You put him at third QB and have him spend the whole season working on taking snaps from center and throwing the ball on time. You unwrap him periodically for use on the goal line and on 3rd or 4th and short (much like UF did his first season). Next year you still draft a QB early and suddenly you have a nice stable of guys with potential.

 

I have no idea whether or not Tebow can be a successful starting QB in this league.

The one thing I do know is that he hasn't had enough snaps or games played to make a full determination.

I find it hilarious that that the same people who are screaming for Chad Henne to get more time, and that he hasn't had a fair chance in an offense tailored around his skills, so easily dismiss Tebow.

Surely we've learned more about Henne over the course of three full preseasons and 27 regular season starts than we have Tebow.

 

This is so stupid. They were ready to trade Orton and make him the starting QB three weeks ago, and now they're talking about making him fourth string? Based on what? He played well in the one preseason game they actually allowed him to play in. It seems to me like they're trying to make Tebow look bad to justify their decision to commit to Orton.

They should just trade him or cut him, but stop trying to embarrass the guy like this. I don't care how good Brady Quinn looks in practice. I've seen him in real games and he sucks ***. Now you're trying to pump up an undrafted free agent here? Just cut ties and let Tebow find a team that actually wants him already. I'd love it to be in Miami, but honestly, I just want the guy to get a legitimate chance somewhere.

 

Lucas only played like crap when he came here. With the Jets he was a solid back up and there were grumblings of replacing Penny with him. Tebow is not an NFL starter and there's nothing to show he is other than blind faith.

 

Heres Tebows draft report via walter football:

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And just to be fair:

http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2010ttebow.php

From what I have seen, me personally even in his preseason game, I have not seen him work out very many of his weaknesses. Is it possible he could figure it out, sure. Is it likely, well as time progresses it becomes less likely. He could still be successful, but I think right now, since he is a qb with this many fundamental weaknesses, at the pro level, I think it is far more likely he doesn't succeed. But if he does, more power to him. I'm sure he'll be a great role model and something the nfl is in great need of. Even if he is a dirty gator.

 

It isn't Tebow hate, I could care less about teams in CF, it is WATCH HIM, he doesn't translate to today's game....this is about as shocking as Pat White getting cut last year...at least for me anyway...

Back off the fallacy of all that is Tebow, you will just be disappointed....the kid was a winner in college....that means jack squat in the NFL....

 

I've already illustrated to you that phenomenal college careers do not = successful NFL career. There are literally countless QB busts that show that. And I've also shown you that his solid playing time proves nothing more even than Ray Lucas' did. So all your left with is your unconditional love the guy. Which is fine, he's your hero and can do no wrong, we get it. But sit here, and blast everyone who doesn't share your boundless faith, when its you how are being irrational, isn't acceptable.

 

I'd sign Tebow just for the jersey sales alone. The guy is a cash cow.

 

And yet here you are using that as some sort of proof he'll be great in the pros.

I say: Great college careers don't equal great pro careers.
You say: Duh. No kidding. Everyone knows that.
I say: Well then, why do you think Tebow will be great?
You say: Cause he had a great college career.
I say: Sigh.

 

Eh I've always found it to be a good resource. However, he's not the only one that had this assertion from what I recall.

 

It takes more than wanting it. You basically just say "he wants it so much so naturally he'll be successful." My point about Rudy was that he wasn't successful. He didn't go on to play in the NFL. It takes more than just desire. Plus, there's been no indication that he would be willing to put in that effort to play TE/H-back. All I see are assumptions that he would be.

There are hard workers every year that don't pan out in the NFL. The idea that Tim Tebow is somehow a harder worker and better person than all of them is simply due to his notoriety as a college star and the publicity that followed.

I saw him play last year. I didn't see anything all that impressive. You've acknowledged that his college success has no bearing on the matter. So it comes down to A) his play last year vs. B) the FACT that he's 3rd or maybe 4th on the Broncos QB depth chart right now. I know which way I'm leaning on that one.

 

As a student at Minnesota, I must have missed that.