Alright this thread is slowing down so I am going to try and breath some fresh air into it. Stats from the 1st string offense. Personnel Package Notation - I will be using the standard numbering system. The first number denotes the number of RB's, and the second number denotes the number of TE, after you know the number of RB's and TE you can calculate the number of WR's. For example, 21 personnel = 2 RB, 1TE, 2WR. 11 personnel = 1 RB, 1TE, 3 WR. Personnel Package, plays, avg result, passes, runs, penalties, TD, INT, Notes * 11 personnel, 8 plays, 10.75 avg, 5 passes, 2 runs, 1 penalty, 1TD, 0 INT, NOTE: Henne's 11 yard scramble came in this formation, as well as the 44 yard TD to Harltine. * 12 personnel, 3 plays, 4.6 avg, 2 passes, 1 runs, 0 penalty, 0 TD, 2 INT * 21 personnel, 3 plays, 0.3 avg, 1 pass, 2 runs, 0 penalty, 0 TD, 0 INT About the running game, if you exclude Henne's 11 yard scramble, we ran it 4 times for 4 yards. I think everyone can do the average yards per carrry . When there were an equal number of blockers as defenders in the box (only happened once by my account ) we ran for 3 yards. The other 3 runs for 0 yards came when the defense had a man advantage in the box. This is my first time recording this stat ( men in the box ) so it might be off any suggestions on this are welcome. Anyway, I am going to record similar stats for the Panthers game. Hopefully there will be more than 14 plays to record by our 1st string offense and that will give us a bigger sample size. Carry on the race to 1k!!! For Motivation: [video=youtube;VZ2HcRl4wSk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZ2HcRl4wSk[/video]
Thanks for the breakdown, Mbmonk. Encouraging stuff b/c that's what Disgustipate and a few others have been saying--- that we're better suited for 3+ WR sets. Not to sound like a homer, but what's even more encouraging is we had success in our 11 personnel and we didn't have Marshall, Long, or Bush on the field. Call it a silver lining if you will. Maybe Sparano was just doing some "testing".
Fasano keeps it up he might be "testing" out the bench. I believe I saw him get beat fairly bad on two blocks in the running game. Considering we only ran it 4 times.... Thanks for the kind words btw.
The only problem is I don't know how to count a WR motioning from wide out position to a "split end" type location. I am currently counting the WR "In the box" if they do that. Not sure if that is right, but I guess I will at least be consistently wrong, if that is not the case. EDIT: Atlanta seemed to do quite a bit of that motioning. I think we did it maybe 1 time. Just going on 'gut felling' on this.
Oooops. I meant the other Italian.... the one running the team. lol. I haven't gone back to watch Anthony. That's not good when our better run blocker than receiver TE is botching some blocks. Was he going against Abraham? 3 more games so hopefully he can get back on track. We're gonna need this guy this year. Hey MB, were we even up in the box in our 11 personnel? That's an area of discussion. Personally I think it's possible we can keep more guys out of the box with Bess on the field in a 3-1-1 than having a 2nd TE and using max protect.
Lol. Now that comment makes more sense All 4 of Fasano's run blocks. I put the the rough game time so you can find the play for yourself if you recorded it. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Against Abraham's (Solid Job) Time: 1st quarter 14:29 remaining #71 beat inside ( tough block but I assume he is supposed to make it) Time: 1st quarter 10:31 remaining #90 beat inside again. Time: 1st quarter 1:17 remaining #90 Solid Job. Time: 2nd quarter 15:00 remaining I agree that we need him, especially with Clay being a Rookie. Here is the break down. Out of the 7 plays in 11 personnel here is the box advantage categorized by down: *1st down, 3 plays ( I am excluding the Murtha false start play), Even number of blockers or better 2 of the 3 times. So only 1 time did they have an extra guy in the box ( that turned into the 44 yard TD pass). *2nd down, 1 play, box was even. 3 yard pass to Bess. That was the amazing catch on the sideline. *3rd down, 3 plays, box was even or we had an advantage on all 3 plays. Note the distances for the 3rd downs were 3rd & 5, and two 3rd & 9's. For the 12 personnel we had: *1st down, 2 plays, box was even 1 time and the other they had an extra defender. *2nd down, 1 play, box was even. For 21 personnel we had: *1st down, 1 play, Defense had a man advantage in the box. *2nd down, 2 plays, 1 play defense had a man advantage the other play it was even. I hope that answers your question. Again this is my first time trying to track the "man in the box" stat so I could be off. So feel free to question me on it or any play.
Henne did make that play. He did his part. He threw a very catchable pass that should have been caught. Fasano would tell you in no uncertain terms that he should have caught it. He should have in a perfect world, hit the 8, but instead he hit the 0. Well within the pass receiver's receiving radius. It should have been caught and it was not. That is the bottom line. It is posts like this that indicate to me, that all you want to do is argue.
While it was well below Cheers and such, I didn't mind Frasier. I liked the way their father was so unlike them. A retired cop, regular Joe kind of guy, then he has these two sons who are nothing like he was at that age. That was a good premise and pretty original. Maybe along the lines of how Archie Bunker had a daughter who was totally the opposite of him and marries a man who is the anti-Archie.
As long as team has 3 starting level WRs and an accurate passer, IMO most teams are better suited for 11 personnel. We were back in Marino's heyday too. Under JJ too, but he would seldom run it.
IMO, using 11 personnel gets a LB out of the game and replaced with a DB and that matters as much as how wide the 3 WRs are split. You can accomplish somewhat the same thing, by sending a RB split to the far outside and a forcing a LB to go with him. Not sure if that was what you are getting at.
Good stuff. Thanks for the work. So it sounds like, when we have more receivers out, we might not have to use as much max protect. ??? also seems like more receivers might actually not hurt our ability to run (provided our line can block). ??? I know it's only preseason, but it's worth keeping an eye on. IIRC Henne was getting beaten up at the end of last year when we used more 12 & 21 personnel. I think it was the first Jets game where we began the game flat while in 12 personnel..... Henning took too long to adjust...... but when he switched to 11 personnel, Henne started picking NY apart. I can't recall for certain, but I want to say Henning then went back to 2 WR stuff and we stalled again. PS: I'm looking forward to having Bush & Lex on the field together to see what kind mismatches they can create now that Henne should finally be capable of audibling. (saying Lex b/c I know he can play fullback, too).
I'm thinking you need your own thread about the Carolina game breakdown if you enjoy doing this stuff.
That's funny Mr C because I do think the father was by far the best character on the show. That guy is a great actor in all he does.
Nice idea. As long as I have time to record the stats in a timely manner relative to the game I was thinking about creating a thread with a couple of "starting" stats to get the conversation going ( Example might be: Most used personnel package for the dolphins and the opposing team ), and then try to answer as many questions as possible from other members. I can record the stats but I am not the best currently at coming up with insightful questions that leverage those stats. That is where you all come in . This is where the limits of my stat tracking ability comes in. I don't record the number of people who actually block. I just record the box numbers right before the snap. I am not 100% confident on the defintion of "Max Protect" is. I don't know if that means 2 or 3 players running routes. Feel free to clarify, but even if you probably still will not be able to answer it. Yea I think that should be the case with most of the teams we will face. I was watching the Jet's on Monday night and they would bring their safeties in the box all day because of the talent they have at CB. So I think it might work as suggested against the Pat's and Bills', but the Jet's are going to be an interesting team to game plan for again this season. Sadly I couldn't get a hold of a quality copy of that first NYJ game. I deleted my copy last year and I just started doing the stat tracking in the last two months or so. So I have nothing on that game. I do have the 2nd Jet's game and I am about half way through that one. The first Pat's game in Miami, as we have discussed, Henne was on fire in the 3 WR sets. Unfortunately he was equally terrible in the 21 personnel packages as you suggested. Doesn't Lex seem to be a bit small to be taking on LB in the hole at the NFL level? Lex at FB never crossed my mind. I would like to see how that plays out.
Hey, if you can get the situational stats out there, I'm pretty sure enough guys here can break them down to where most of us can learn something from it. Tracking the pre snap box numbers is probably a good start. When we were in maximum protection last year we were keeping backs and/or tight ends in to block rather than sending them out on patters (hence the max or extra protection).... but we typically did that from 12 or 21 personnel IIRC. I was thinking, if we're in more 3-1-1 personnel and keep the field spread out a bit, that defenses might be less inclined to bring as much pressure b/c all of our receivers have either great short area quickness/elusiveness (Marshall, Bess, Gates) or good initial acceleration (Hartline, Gates)..... and that extra man we'd be putting on the field instead of a TE or back would be super reliable Bess whom Henne seems to have an outstanding rapport with. Agree, Jets will be interesting.... and the Pats could definitely be with Leigh Bodden back (and Albert) along with the young secondary talent they have. I'm not sure I'd look for Lex being a Lou Polite type 2009 blocker, but I think he's versatile enough to where he could go from FB to the lone tailback if Bush motions out if we want to take advantage of whatever defensive personnel is in. Maybe someone else can shed light on how often we could catch a defense in nickel with Lex & Reggie on the field together to where Lex could be utilized as a FB in a match up advantage.
I can dump my stats into an excel spreadsheet for others to manipulate to their desire. Of course I would have to put out a descriptions of all the fields ( name and purpose/meaning ). That would allow others to be creative and maybe even give me suggestions on what to track, etc. Yea. I think it is going to provide some insight over time. I don't record the defensive personnel packages. Before, I started tracking the box, I was pretty much tracking the offense in a vacuum w/ no regard to what the defense was doing. So I think tracking the box is a good first step in accounting for what the D is doing. Tracking defensive personnel package would be a HUGE next step and would give a great level of insight, but one step at a time for now . Thanks for clarifying. Yea currently I couldn't tell you that. I could give the time that the plays took place ( similar to the Fasano run blocking list ) and then at that point you could quickly find the plays and then determine for yourself if we max protected or not. So the stats could still be of some use. I think that is a great point. I think that is solid reasoning and I hope we at least try it. My only concern is Henne almost has too much rapport with Bess. I wonder how many times he stays locked on Bess a bit to long. I don't have any type of stats or proof that is a case. It's just a thought. It's something I wonder about. I haven't paid attention to Lex's skill set as a blocker or receiver. Did he do any of that in the Falcon's game to your knowledge?
