Monday camp notes: Defense gets better of Offense

anyone else worried that Long's injury might make him miss the opener?

 

The only scenario that I can come up with about Long is maybe the MedStaff thought rest and rehab would heal the injury, and things looked good, workouts began the knee did not hold up and he had to have MCL surgery?

 

although we aren't hearing much about Long, I tend to think they just want to sit him until the regular season starts. The guy doesn't need the practice so rest would suit him much better imo....but really who knows the extent of his injury so lets just hope for the best

 

Even if Long makes the opener the OL is the unit that worries me most. Also QB, but don't want to turn this into another Henne thread...

 

I won't be worried about Jake until it's the week of the opener and we've heard nothing.

The rest of the OL scares the **** out of me.

 

Yeah, but while Jake is resting, our best hope at RT is currently on the left side. Time to trade Starks straight up for a solid RT?

 

Do you have any RTs who their team may be open to trading them for Starks? What sounds good in theory may be not so easy to implement in actuality.

Colombo pass blocked just fine in the first game.

 

Yes.

 

Yeah, it reeks of desperation doesn't it? Let the Raiders of the NFL come to us... 'Cause ervybody know we are stacked on the D-line.

 

Sounds real plausible. Its a very real possibility that our season hinges on him

As a side note, I'm wondering if JT is going a little too hard in practices. I just want to make sure he is pacing himself and will be good down the stretch



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There might not be a down the stretch if we don't start strong.

 

At what point does Jake need to play before he automatically misses six weeks? From what I read, if he isnt active by week 1 he sits for 6 weeks.

 

From all of my knee stuff that I'm going through now...had a torn acl, grade 3 mcl tear, and a slight meniscus tear...I've learned a whole heck of a lot about the knee, its ligaments, and rehab. Coming directly from my surgeon, who is the head orthopedic surgeon for the AZ Cardinals, he told me that they rarely do MCL surgery anymore(unless they are forced to)...reason being that the knee will never bend the same again afterwards.

 

I just think they wanted Jake to "take it easy" and they know if they let him practice that's impossible so better safe than sorry...jmo.

 

I feel pretty good about Incognito, Pouncey and Carey in the middle. Obviously, Pouncey will have to be the puller but why not? The Center has a shorter distance to pull than a guard. Most pundits seem to think he is more athletic than his brother but less physical. I think that’s why Sparano bookended him with Incognito and Carey.

It’s all about Jake’s health as far as I’m concerned.

 

I think you have to practice within a month of being put on the PUP. Don't quote me.

 

esp. if long misses time. oh well, no point worrying about it now.

 

Jake can be activated at any time from PUP before the regular season, even if he is not quite ready. Then he could just be week to week from opening week onwards and play whenever he is ready. Just make him one of our inactives every week till he can play. There will be at least one OL who is inactive every week even if all are healthy. We carry 8 or 9 OL on the 53, and very seldom dress more than 7. No reason to leave him on PUP for first 6 weeks of regular season unless you are 99% sure he won't be able to play in that time.

 

Not worried one bit.

 

Close, the first surgery was jacked and the way Long rehabbed in the off seasong jacked it even more. Not Longs fault, he followed the direction he was given, it was just the wrong direction by a putz

What worries me the most iis its getting to be quite evident that Vernon Carey is now here only for his game checks.

 

Has John Jerry done anything notable? Good or bad?

 

Where'd you get that information from?

 

I hate to say it Vernon Carey was never that good of a player for where he was drafted


Has John Jerry done anything notable? Good or bad? Answer, he is another memeber of the 100 draft bust miami has had since 2000 .

my question is how many more years will miami keep spending on fixing the offensive line ?

 

I'd be interested in knowing that too.

 

Carey was considered a 1st rounder in 2004, but he was more a need pick, rather than best player available pick.

 

Well if Long is set back because of crappy rehab people I'd have to say it doesn;t build my feeling that this is a quality operation top to bottom.

I mean, if you can;t even tell someone the right rehab exercises either you don;t care about your job very much (mentally checked out), or you suck at your job and your employer's asleep at the wheel (or cheap).

 

I hope mommabilly comes back and elaborates a little more exactly on what he or she knows of Jake's situation.

 

I don't know if you can say that. Carey has never been as dominant as Wilfork was at his position, but I don't think a NT is as valuable as an OT. Wilfork probably wouldn't have been an adequate every-down player no matter where and how he went. Carey could have been a good but not great LT for years.

People get caught up in the Patriots mysticism, that everything they do is mind-blowing correct even if it isn't, and I don't think them "tricking" us into drafting Carey really stands up. Not to mention Carey ended up being a better choice than Robert Gallery and Shawn Andrews.

 

My personal opinion is Wilfork would have been a better choice, but it wasn't just him, there were players at other positions that one could reasonably say were also better than Carey. IMO, Carey wasn't a big reach or anything but he was a slight reach, for need.
It did not appear to me that they drafted Carey to be a decent LT for 8-10 years. They didn't make much of an effort to develop him there if so. Wanny only had him one camp, but Saban never thought enough of his potential to try him there either. He was not a LT at The U. His two starting seasons were one at RT and one at LG.
His one year at LT under Cameron, was more out of necessity than anything else. IMO. YMMV

Can't speak for anyone else, but as for drafting acumen I have never been caught up in any "Patriots mysticism". Wilfork though is one pick that Belichick really hit on, along with Seymour and Warren. He had a good run for a few years there. Anymore, it seems to me, Billy B is much better at trading for picks than actually making them.

 

I remember that I wanted Wilfork in that draft. First, as Mr. Clean said, the NT is the lynch pin of the 3-4 defense and is far more valuable and difficult to find than G or RT. LT is a different animal, but nobody was saying that Carey would be an NFL LT. I thought Carey was a much better G in college than he was a RT anyways.

 

I heard that Long could go today if he needed to & that he's being held out for precautionary reasons. Cant say who told me but they've been reliable in the past.

 

I don't think there's really a good argument that a NT is the most important position in a 3-4. It's not an every down player. Most of them, including the player in question, only effect one aspect of the game. 3-4 DEs are more important. They contribute in every formation and phase of gameplay.

He wasn't drafted to do it, but be could have done it. He was pretty good as a starting Left Tackle in 2005, whether or not he got put there before and after is kind of irrelevant. If it was a need moved it panned out better than you could hope for that kind of situation.

 

It's been corroborated by an inside source that I don't know has ever been wrong(Club Level deal)

 

Now that camp has broken, isn't it time for the Offense to step up and past the old bromide about the Defense always having the advantage early in camp?

 

I think its a case by case thing but I agree for most part. You're really seeing a lot of 40 fronts on pass downs and that's where the rotation comes in.

 

When we had Timbo, we played a 4-3 and it was first he and Gardener in front of Zach and later on Larry Chester next to Timbo.