Gates vs Bess Or Hartline

It would obviously be Hartline. Marshall and Bess are our two top targets. Gates is an outside guy like Hartline, so that's where he would play.

 

Gates I guess has some real speed and as I've said speed isn't the be all end all. But his kind of speed can stetch the field and open things underneath. So I suppose it would depend on what you were trying to do on a given play as to the personnel on the field, but as much as I like Hartline, I would say it would come from Hartline. You already have a Big physical reciever in Marshall who works well underneath and Bess is one of the best slot guys out there all you really need is someone to blow the top off the coverage to open things up a bit more for these guys.

 

Gates has a long way to go being a rookie, but Hartline would lose snaps, but you could also see Hartline spell Bess in the slot sometimes during a game.

 

Talent finds a way, now how about:

Roberto Wallace vs Hartline or Bess?

As for Gates, I suspect he will have a shot in sub packages what he does with them determines how much he plays.

 

i think you will see more 4 wide sets with Gates being 4. Rest of time the situation will decide, sometimes Gates and Hartline will be on Bess off, sometimes Gates and Bess on, Hartline off. Some with Bess and Hartline with Gates off. Diff formations diff looks, less predictable

 

they should use gates like chambers was in his rookie year

 

Roberto Wallace vs The Sideline is more intriguing

 

I would guess that Bess would be the odd man out if Gates were to become a player.

 

I doubt it, Bess is the most reliable. teams often carry 4 receivers. I think we would utilize all 4

 

Reliable in what sense? Theoretically, he would be the only one of the 4 that couldn't play all the WR positions.

 

In the sense that he makes the most third down recepts, he is the go to guy when a play is needed. he can be counted on the most to make the 1st down catch.

 

I'm thinking we won't have to choose so much between them because I expect Daboll to use a LOT more 4 and 5 wide sets compared to what we saw Henning use. Although, that could mean flexing out Bush/Thomas/Fasano/Clay a lot, but I think we'll see more true 4 and 5 wide sets.

 

Yes, but that is just as much a function of his position as it is his ability. I think if you lined up Marshall or Hartline in the slot they could possibly do just as well. JMO.

 

Depends on down and distance. If I only need 6-8 yards...you can give me DBess all day!!!! But if we need to pick up 25....I'd rather have B-Nice.

 

I can;t recall how Chambers was used. Can you elucidate?

 

In a 2 WR set, sure, but in a 3WR set Bess HAS to be your slot guy. he's amazing from the slot.

 

Illegal cut block....

Beasting in camp, you'll see.

 

If Gates turns out as good as we think he can be, he'll take snaps from both, but IMO he'll take more from Hartline than from Bess.

 

Well if one thinks about it, we have had starting Wr's miss games the last two yrs, in 2010 Hartline missed 4 games and Beast missed 2.5 games, that is a lot of snaps to find someone talented enough to fill them and offer production.

That is a part of the reason why I'm fairly confident lil Beast will see some run, so will Gates, I think Moore is a goner.

 

There's no right or wrong answer IMO. Personally, I would prefer Bess though. He's more adept at getting open quickly (blitz beating) and he's Henne's go to guy when he needs a catch. There are effective ways to attack with Marshall-Hartline-Gates as well though. And the ability to send Gates on a fly pattern then rest him and bring a quality guy like Hartline in is another round of ammo for the OC to work with.

As long as we're not relying on Moore or Wallace it's a win-win for us.

 

Gates has a whole lot to prove before he comes close to taking noticeable snaps from anyone.

Bess was less productive overall and on a per-snap basis from the slot last year believe it or not.

 

As Gates catches onto the NFL game, Hartline's uniform will be looking progressively cleaner and cleaner.

 

One of their people put it in the comments section on their slot receiver article

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/06/02/slot-receivers/

Can subtract from his season totals to get the rest.

 

he was mainly working from the slot and basically ran a lot of fly/go routes

 

Although Bess doesn't have Hartline's speed, I really feel he is the more reliable go-to guy. I am a big believer in Henne this year, but we all know he tends to panic and having a guy like Bess open in the slot is a definite positive yardage play. Hartline may be a threat to go downfield, but I think that opens the door for an interception or sack, if Henne is feeling any pressure. So with Henne at quarterback, I like Bess over Hartline. A more composed quarterback, I may consider Hartline.

 

Bess is small. People like small players

 

all i see Gates doing this year (at least for the 1st half of the year) is to run 'go' and 'come back' patterns ... which will take snaps away from Hartline, unless he moves into the slot to either spell Bess or in a 4 receiver set.

equally, you have to throw in Bush and Clay as well to the mix .... so who knows.

as i've said before ... i believe Hartline can be a 'welkeresque' type player, but a notch or so down - because he is not quick or elusive, just fast beyond 10 yards. He can't replace Bess, because Bess creates separation with his quickness - however, having both in the slot creates coverage problems.

add in Wallace, who started to show he could at least handle the slant pretty well .... and with his size makes him a very good target.

the key to how it all shakes out though is Gates ... as he progresses - it will take more and more snaps away from Hartline for sure.

I have to believe Moore is toast this year, unless he can slide to the PS, maybe not even that if the kid Carter continues to do well ....

 

Black ninja simply because gates is unproven and raw.