Nike signs Mike Vick

Its true. I've seen it as well, and it was video. I'll see if I can find it.

EDIT: Found it.

Link

 

where did I say he was a changed man?

 

Thanks, I wasnt being a prick (well not 100%) I really wanted to see it...

 

Oh thats it. im convinced. because his body guard said they didnt care about the dogg, I want mike vick out of the nfl.

 

You're still dodging. You've said a few times that he was remorseful and sorry. Where is your proof of that?

 

I didn't say it was proof. I provided a link a poster requested of another poster. That is all.

It does however point to what i'm saying and not what you're saying. The guy who wanted to give Mike a chance to speak, owns one of his former fighting dogs. He gave Vick an opportunity to show the world he's changed and Vick didn't.

 

Ok, I am sorry to say I cant show any proof that he is sorry or remorseful because those are emotions, not something you can prove. I should have said he said he was sorry and remorseful. Cant you prove he is not? no..no you cant.

 

I know you didn't, and I wasnt really pointing my comment at you, but more towards the link.

What would you of liked Vick to do?

 

For starters, thank the man for taking in one of his abused dogs. I guess that's too much for the guy who just received a key to the city.

 

So if he would of simply thanked that guy for taking the dog, he would look better in his eyes?

What if in his eyes, the man simply was trying to heckle him and protest against him, or maybe even wanted to harm him, like many have done since his release for prison? What if Vick just didnt want to be in that situation? seems understandable to me. I mean, if he kicked the dog and something like that, I would respond with, well, Vick just doesnt like dogs and he hasnt learned ****...but he didnt. he simply didnt respond and he hasnt learned anything because of it. i dont get it i guess.

 

Essentially what you're arguing is that are no indicators in this world. There is nothing we can judge others by. There's simply nothing, that anyone can do that can taint or improve someone's view of them. According to you since Vick did horrible crimes and I've seen nothing to indicate his remorse for those crimes, that I must not feel he's a **** human. That's wrong in your eyes. However, saying Vick is remorseful without showing me a single thing that points to that, is right? I guess in your mind, anyone who did anything horrible, should just be forgiven right?

 

ha...yes. thats exactly what im saying. im done

 

I think there has been a lot of justifying what he did by a lot of people. Maybe not anyone in this thread but I've read a lot of people's posts or writings that talk about the culture of dog fighting, how he just grew up in a rough part of town, etc, as justifications for murdering animals for sport. As though anyone that grows up poor and in a rough part of town can't help but start killing animals for sport. Particularly when they are millionaires who don't live in that part of town anymore but continue to enjoy torturing and killing animals for some fun.

I guess I just can't fathom on any level how anyone could actually believe that someone killed animals, enjoyed watching animals kill each other and then after they get caught they are all of the sudden regretful. Vick would still be killing animals today if no one had caught him. He regrets getting caught and going to jail but I don't think he sits around at night feeling guilty for murdering any of those animals. If he had felt bad he would have turned himself in a long time ago or stopped willingly and worked to help get other animals out of those situations or to stop dogfighting.

I've said over and over that he has the right to be free and work and play in the NFL, I think anytime anyone posts anything negative about Vick people are defending him like its violating his rights to think he's a piece of crap. I think he's a free man and has every right to work anywhere go anywhere and make millions but its ridiculous for people to think he's a good guy. Good people don't do what he did for a decade or more, we aren't talking about petty crime or gambling we are talking about breeding animals to murder each other and murdering animals.

 

I think it's pretty clear he's trash too. I don't agree with Nike resigning him at all. Letting him make a living is one thing but making him a posterboy? As finfan said just because he was raised around dogfighters doesn't excuse him. Becoming a millionaire athlete would have been a perfect chance to get away from that stuff. Instead he embraced it because he enjoyed it. Even worse was the way he was found to kill some of these dogs. Electrocuting and drowning them? Almost like he wasn't just doing it for 'business' or whatever but that he enjoyed it. Otherwise why wouldn't he just put a bullet in the poor animal's head and be done with it?

 

If Nike still supports Big Ben they can still support Mike Vick. Maybe Nike isn't what you guys thought they were. If they weren't....don't buy the shoes.

 

cool story. Did you tell her that if he life was in danger that you would save your dog over her?

 

I don't think Ben is any better than Vick. I honestly didn't know Nike had him as a spokesman. They are definitely off my buy list.

 

Thought you were "done"?

Why are you judging Steve? He hasn't broke the law, hasn't hurt anyone. Why do you champion Vick and not Steve? Why should I not judge Vick for heinous crimes, but you can judge Steve for a different belief?

 

Where did I say not to judge him? I didn't tell you to do anything. We simply had a conversation about the topic, voicing eachothers opinions. That was it.

 

Killing an animal doesn't compare to raping a human being. Now I know you got your opinion and I got mine...but we are just going to have to disagree on that one.

 

I agree with you, but Ben probably didnt rape her.

 

Raping a woman is much worse than killing an animal.

 

Considering I'm judging Vick, and you're telling me I shouldn't or trying to convince me not too, what would you call it?

But still, why is it perfectly fine to judge Steve for a comment on a message board and not Vick for his actions?

 

You have an extreme point of view. I honestly have a hard time believing you would save your dog over a person, maybe a stranger, but not a child or a peron you consider a friend. Or family. Saying it is one thing. I'm sure it's a situation that will never happen but still....

 

I did judge Vick on his actions. Notice, DID. I'm not near perfect, so I'm not one to judge to began with. I thought it was pathetic what Vick did, and I think its pathetic one would save a dog over a human life.

 

I don't care. Mess with kids or pets, and you get no second chances with me. There is something about hurting a living being that loves you unconditionally. Nike is off my menu now too. I am so tired of the "its the culture he was raised in" BS. What about all of people that came up in that culture that don't have those same problems? How did they manage? I know I'm being judgmental and I'm fine with it.