NFL.com's Bucky Brooks: Change in offensive philosophy could be difference for Henne

...What?

 

Speaking to that... You say that Henne was terrible at selling the play action. I'd like to point out the fact that when your running a play action and its 3rd and 20 there is really no reason to sell the run. They dont care even if you are running, so why sell it. It was stupid play calling that made Henne not sell the run, and the fact our running game was crap. There were times when he sold it very well when it was actually a position that a play action made sense. It felt like every time we dropped back to pass last year it was play action.

Brooks still isn't on point with his accuracy, Chad struggled last year with accuracy and getting the ball out infront of players. he can hit the player most of the time, but its that ability to hit the guy on stride and right in the numbers that he tends to lack at times.

Henne is going to be a real crap shoot this year, he's either going to prove Henning was holding him back or that he just isn't going to be starter material in the NFL.

 

so what about desides sayin he watched more of henne´s career than brooks, how can we assume this is true too ?, i really liked what the guys said about henne, but one thing that made me chuckle about the
knowledge of the miami´s offense from last year was calling chad henne a 20/20 QB who can get you from his own 20 to the opposite 20 yard line and then struggle in the redzone, i think its tough for a QB
to bring your team close and then have to come out and whatch a WC play or let the coach get happy with plays for a FG

 

Extra BLOCKERS are NOT called based on extra blitzers or extra rushers for the billionth time.

If anyone can look at the Detroit game and count the number of extra blockers we had in the first half when we were in 95% shotgun, it would basically be huge for this argument.

 

Where's Todd this anti Henne crowd is annoying.

 

I never once suggested that the Dolphins staff was not culpable in the offense's problems. But two wrongs don't make a half-wrong and a half-wrong. They're just two wrongs. They could've corrected Chad Henne, they never SEEMED to (although I notice that they benched him after the aforementioned obscene Baltimore outing). They deserved their firings. As does Henne, in all likelihood.

 

Yes. I'm sure that's why there's an 80% correlation between extra blocker usage and extra pass rushers being sent at the quarterback. Sure.

 

I cannot break it down for the half. For the game, there were 52 pass plays. We had 20 extra blockers, Shuler-1, Fasano-1, Ronnie-4, Hilliard-1, Polite-2, Ricky -5, and Fienga (as a TE)-6.

The Lions had 9 extra rushers, and one time a DE who dropped in coverage.

 

How much of that is based on who you play? For example, the Jets brought the kitchen sink in one game, nothing in the other, and Blitzberg dropped in coverage almost every play. That has to make a difference in who you keep in, especially for a young QB, who is still learning.

You made a VG point in teams not pressuring Henne. Should it have been him, who supposedly cannot change plays, or the coaches who should have adjusted?

 

I mean basically you take the mile high view of this. The Patriots opened up the first game with a game plan to play a lot of zone, have 7 and 8 men backing up and all reading the quarterback's eyes almost like a Tampa Two. The result was 3 interceptions and a rout. After the game Chad Pennington talked about what NE did. He recognized it immediately and said he went through a similar experience when he first came to be a starter, said that it was a learning experience for him and he thinks it'll be one for Henne too, and that he'll handle it better next time.

Later we played the Baltimore Ravens and they did virtually the same thing. They did not rush many players at the passer at all, and on some downs they held 8 men back into coverage. I remember after the game Brandon Marshall talked about having conversations with Ed Reed on the field, because Brandon was getting frustrated that they kept shell coverage on top of everyone all day, and he asked Ed if they were EVER going to not have a double team on him, and Ed just looked at him and shook his head and said no.

But what's interesting is that Henne didn't do any better. Both games were marked by obscene over-use of blockers. Both games were marked by 3-interception performances from Henne. Obviously none of us know what was truly said behind closed doors but I notice that Chad Henne was benched immediately after the Ravens game. The circumstances SUGGEST that one reason for that benching was that he just wasn't progressing, wasn't learning from experience or applying what they were telling him onto the field.

 

I think every quarterback in this league has the freedom to set protections and the Dolphins coaches have specifically confirmed that much in the past, though some people like to dismiss that fact and accuse respected coaches of being blatant liars for no other reason than that it's convenient to their argument.

 

How do you reach the conclusion that he cannot change protections, when the coaches have spelled it out publicly? If Henne wasn't allowed to change protections, that should even be a bigger indictment of him.

 

So you rationalize this by citing all of two games where Ricky and Ronnie did nothing as your argument?

Ooook.

Say whatever you want, but going from a top 5 running game to a bottom 5 running game is a big ****in deal.

lol Ya you have to pass to win in this league. Tell that to Tim Hasselbeck.

 

I agree on being able to set protections but, have to go back to the players sent on the field as to the extent of what Henne could do. There were not a whole lot of options.

I'm going to get a game to analyze next week. I will pay special attention to who is on the field, and what Henne did.

 

I mentioned changing plays, not protection.

 

lol Clearly, your opinion is unbiased and calculations are based on proven theories..

Ya, I guess I'm shocked that you wouldn't agree that "running the ball makes an offense go" when we had no running game. Just shocked lol

 

That's what I mean when I say that we don't truly know who is more to blame for calling the protections but either possibility is damning of both the coaching staff and Chad Henne, no matter how you look at it.

You have the first possibility that it was Chad Henne who mis-used the protections. If that's true, then it's the coaches' fault for not recognizing it and being more proactive in doing something about it. But its also Chad Henne's fault for putting them in that position, not really having a philosophical grasp on how to beat defenses in the NFL.

Then there's the second possibility, that they took those decisions out of Henne's hands and so the mis-use of protections was totally on the coaching staff. If that's the case, then how damning is that of Chad Henne that they had such little confidence in him that they wouldn't even give him responsibilities that many college quarterbacks typically have? If this is the case then it's the coaching staff's fault for having bad ideas about how to attack NFL defenses but it's also Chad Henne's fault for basically never showing them in any convincing way that he can handle a typical quarterback's responsibilities.

 

Have as many receiving options as possible out on patterns stretching every blade of grass, pre-snap motion to identify the coverages and create personnel-based mismatches, outside fade, deep dig, smash concept...nothing ingenius you just have to hope your quarterback reads the field properly and stays patient, looking for his opportunities and capitalizing on them. If your quarterback keeps opting for the same throw over and over again eventually smart defensive players are going to pick up on it and squeeze it, regardless of the scheme.

 

You said he seldom had a tight end to throw to. That's factually wrong. I'm not disagreeing that Fasano blocked in passing situations more than most tight ends do, because he does. But he's also a very good blocking tight end, and some of what he is best at doing in the receiving game is playing off his blocking.

 

Define run first and does that still apply when that team's D puts them in a hole?

 

I'm curious to know what you, and others, think what our record would have been with Henne vs a very weak 08 schedule, and Penne vs last year's schedule?

 

You mean like the Jets...... who happen to be in our very own division.

 

True story. However, having a second TE who could do something, block, catch, anything, changes everything in what we could do and get from the TE position. JMO

 

You answered yourself correctly. It does make a difference. They are a run first team that makes the playoffs from our division. You know the division with your mighty New England Patriots and the best coach of all time.....

 

You can keep believing that with your stats, and i'll believe what I learned from D1 and NFL coaches.

 

This is just an excuse. We called play action routinely, not just in bizarre situations like 3rd and long. Play action was certainly aggravating in those instances, sure. But Henne didn't sell play action at all, regardless of down or distance. He barely turned to the running back, and he almost always pulled the ball back in before he was within 2 yards of the running back (thus not even bothering to fake a handoff). IMO, he did this because he didn't want to lose the defense and didn't want to have to reacquire it after selling a fake handoff.

Again, this happened regardless of down or distance. I wasn't describing Chad Henne's behavior in specific instances, I was describing his behavior as a whole. He doesn't sell play action. In my view, this is because selling play action requires turning away from the defense, and Henne is afraid to do that.

 

Sure they are!!!!!!! Players are also moved to the area that the Qb thinks the blitz will come from, or he will make a call to the line to pick that area up!

Often times the play calls for extra blocking to begin with but to say that a TE or Rb is NOT called upon to pick up an apparent blitzer is totally incorrect.

 

Ah yeah it makes loads of sense to compare the Jets and Patriots since 2001, especially given, you know, the Jets under Rex Ryan have been a bit different, and are actually a superior running team.

Not to mention, you know, the Jets have gone further in the playoffs the last two seasons than the Patriots, and are winning the head to head matchup in that time period including knocking the Patriots out of the playoffs?

 

I think you misunderstood what they were teaching you if you came away thinking that keeping extra blockers in has nothing to do with identifying blitzers. But I'd be interested in hearing which coaches have taught you that, in what setting, and what exactly they said to you.

 

Actually Aqua, when the Pats went away from running the ball with Smith and Dillon they have not won a SB since, they put up stats, they no longer win big playoff games.

Compare their results when they had a 270 carry back vs Brady tossing the ball around the field.

 

Does it bother you? If it does I can take them down but to answer your question, No I don't film porn. She is in a bikini bro, and I've never seen her naked. Hell, I don't even know her, my friend sent them to be because he knows how much I like Dolphins paraphanalia...

 

One supports the other Aqua, for example for all of the love GB's offense receives, they had a Top 3 Defense, why is that never mentioned?

 

Probably more porn in made in the LA Metro Area, like North Hollywood, than anywhere else.

 

To what degree do you feel that the type and depth of drop, as well as route combinations, impact protection calls regardless of extra blitzers?

 

They factor in, of course, but I'm not sure what answer you want. A number? There's no number for it.

The simple facts are what they are. For the rest of the league, use of extra blockers seems to be strongly correlated (80%) with number of extra pass rushers. Miami's use of extra blockers per extra pass rusher was something like 5 or 6 standard deviations outside the league mean.

Now if you want to show me some factor that correlates more strongly with extra blocker usage than extra pass rushers, and subsequently show me how that factor was so strongly outside of league norms for the Dolphins as to explain the obscene extra blockers per extra pass rusher stat, then this would be suggestive that the phenomenon was due to whatever factor you're putting up for appraisal, rather than a question of Chad Henne's protection calls.

To date, nobody has done this.

 

I would not say capital of the world but there sure are some fine women here. When I got these pics the first thing that came to my mind was she might be a hoe but man, that Dolphins Bikini was too much to not share...

 

I would say that's all about what the OC wants to take a gamble on, or if he likes to gamble at all...

 

All have solid running games.

 

NE was a top ten running game team as well, slick.