The Florida Marlins 2011 Thread-Undefeated vs Braves.

I'm sure it was just an oversight by you but the Marlins did receive Hanley Ramirez and Anibal Sanchez for Beckett and Lowell. That trade has been pretty even win for both teams. But yeah obviously the Cabrera deal and others like the Delgado one haven't worked out.

The problem with this year's team is who's really available to be traded that has value? I mean you're not going to be trading Hanley Ramirez (not selling low or during the year), Johnson, both Sanchezes, Morrison or Stanton. Possibly Nolasco (although my brain is fuzzy maybe he signed an extension recently?). You can't trade Javy Vazquez or a John Buck. So who on this team would anyone want? Randy Choate or Leo Nunez? Omar Infante? No thanks.

 

I wish he'd sell the GM to cannibals.

 

My point was more that Marlins ownership historically tends to dismantle the team, especially since Loria took over.

 

Leo would get a decent haul. Teams go ape sh*t for closers at the deadline.

 

Gotcha and while I agree that's what the franchise has done historically I just don't see how or why they would dismantle this team this time. It's filled with good young guys (Sanchezes, Morrison, Ramirez, Stanton, Johnson) and out of that core only Ramirez and Johnson are making any money. I mean I guess they can put Ramirez on the trading block to see what type of value he might have but it wouldn't make any sense to trade him right now while his stock is so low. I don't think this team is as bad as their record shows especially in the past month, I think they have ran into some bad luck (especially in 1 run ball games) and most of the players just aren't having good seasons for whatever reason or are hurt.

 

When you have David Samson going around telling players that if they don't start hitting better, they'll be sent back to the minors, I would not put anything past this group. I can actually see scenarios where Hanley Ramirez and even Josh Johnson are traded.

 

Hanley and JJ will not be traded. No chance. Fans have to stop worrying about the fire sale days. They are over. Our pay roll is rising, and we can afford to keep our stars.

@ Finkle, our best trade options are Nolasco and Nunez. However, I believe the only one to be traded is Nunez. He will get a decent player for us.

 

I wonder why no one wants to coach for these guys...

 

So long as David "Igor" Samson is talking about how the team won't really ratchet up payroll until they see consistently large attendance in the new stadium, yeah, I'm not putting anything past current ownership. This includes more fire sales.

Hanley and JJ's contracts are very tradable.

 

The pay roll has been rising. Going into a new stadium, I'm sure that will continue.

We signed them long term for a reason. They aren't going anywhere. And if Hanley does, it's because he's become quite an annoyance on this team.

 

The payroll rose because MLB and the MLBPA forced the Marlins to cough up. So they took the easy path and gave Hanley a long-term deal and JJ a medium-term deal. We still have the 7th lowest payroll in MLB. This roster is still largely composed of young guys who were in AAA ball not too long ago.

I never said Hanley's annoyance wouldn't be a reason for trading him. I just said that he would be on the trade block at some point if the ownership reverts to prior behavior.

 

Your posts are always so far from the truth. It's ridiculous. We extended Hanley in May of 2008, two years before the MLPA incident. And no, they didn't force us to do anything. We were already talking with JJ way, way before they even said anything. They had nothing to do with us extending JJ, Hanley, Ricky, or signing Buck. The Marlins FO was responsible for all that.

The Marlins pay roll has gone up every year in the last 4 season. From 21, to 36, to 47, to 57. It's only going to rise as we move into the new stadium, possibly exceeding 70, imo. That remains to be seen, but the point is it will rise.

And I'm just saying they wont and you have to stop thinking that way. Those days are over and done with. They will never happen again.

 

Then don't read them, and thus spare yourself the agony of defending the conduct of Loria and Samson. When it comes to evaluating top management decisions, I will always proceed from the point of view that Loria is either about to make a dumb move or has already made a dumb move. Likewise, I will proceed from the point of view that David Samson is trying to lie or outright screw someone.

There are no guarantees with this ownership. None. If the team finishes out the season with a losing record, you don't think there'll be changes? Maybe not a full-on fire sale in the 1998 mold, but we're looking at way more than just another bullpen flushing.

 

No, I don't. Why? Because it's obvious to me and just about every Marlins fan that the direction of this team is up. Our payroll is rising, we're signing our stars to long term deals, and we have a new stadium being built.

 

The direction of the franchise may or may not be up: there's more to that evaluation than opening a new stadium. The direction of the team is sideways.

Free agency and the trade market going into next season will be huge. Make or break time. Get real pitching, get some veterans who aren't over the hill.

 

I agree. Free Agency this year will be the biggest event for a Marlins fan in a long time. IMO, we need to sign three potential starters via FA, one of them being a very good starting pitcher like Adam Wainwright.

 

I remain cynical that this team will actually spend money on a guy like Wainwright. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this topic until roughly 6 months from now.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/anibal-sanchez-the-race-changer/

Intriguing article....I hope and don't think it will happen, though.


BUT, if they do explore their options, I hope they can make a deal with the Reds and snatch Grandal in a package.

 

Btw, JJ says his shoulder isn't feeling 100% so he's going to see Dr. Andrews.

 

This team really isn't in a position to move pitchers. We need to acquire them.

 

We're not trading Sanchez. I expect us to extend him after the season is done.

 

Word has it Dr. Andrews is basically the embalmer as far pro athletes and injuries are concerned.


See ya next season JJ

 

I get what your saying, but that isnt always true, I have seen some instances when they come back okay from Andrews.....

I hope nothing comes of this cuz if he gets TJ right now that would be a shame.....

 

TJ surgery has to do with the elbow, Johnson is going to get his shoulder looked at (at least that's what's being reported). Another shoulder injuries are a lot worse than elbow injuries when it comes to pitching. The thing with Johnson is this injury has been bugging him since last year and it didn't get better over the winter. Something has to be wrong there.

 

Man... how I would love to just see some improvement in this team. This is awful.

 

I don't understand how they can be this bad. 20 game turnaround in just a month. Mind boggling.

 

Thankfully you're wrong (for now at least)

 

April 4th, 2012.

Mark it on your calendars.

 

Off to a great start in July against Texas... LOL. This is comical.

 

Gaby going to the AS game

 

How did we win that series?

Last night's win was awesome. Clutch hitting and the bullpen closing it out.

 

Mike Cameron & cash was traded to the Marlins for a PTBNL or cash. I'd be shocked if Cameron does anything at all or even make it until the end of the year on the roster with the way he played this year, he looks absolutely cooked. But the one positive is he's great in the clubhouse so maybe he can help give Hanley a couple of kicks in the butt.

 

Buster Olney:

 

Instead of just trusting Buster Olney, I looked up Maybins numbers, and he's really not improving that much. His OPS by month are .729, .660, .774, and .950. He is having a hot month, but it's only 17 ABs.

He's having a decent season, but he's nothing special. He still Ks way too much and hits too many groundballs.

 

I still think it's bizarre how the front office gave up on him and Miller. I guess they felt like cutting their losses and getting the 2011 team ready for 2012, but it's still strange to basically raise the white flag on the Cabrera trade.

 

What makes it worse is, Miller has had two good starts since being called up by the Red Sox.

 

Ok guys it's official.....August 6th (month from today) Saturday night game against the Cardinals, 7:10pm

I will be going with some friends (coming down from NC) and would love to meet some of you, play some beer pong, get some outfield seats, and talk **** to the cardinals outfielders! Whos with me?!!??!?!

 

I think it was a mistake to give up on him, but not Miller. However, it was time to move on from both.

 

Considering we started the season with a Centerfielder who was playing the position for the first time, and we have now signed 98 year old Mike Cameron.....I really don't see how "it was time to move on" from Cameron Maybin.

Miller maybe, but Maybin? Not so much.

 

The original mistake was trading Cabrera. Trading Maybin and Miller compounded the mistake.