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Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by the 23rd, Jul 1, 2011.

  1. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    question: who controls the market? think about it, as we watch the destruction of the 2011 season before our very eyes.
    shouldn't there be a protest, petition or @ least the threat of a fan boycott in these troubled times?
    maybe its not all about the old tricks but some new ones... what we need is an organizer to forward our interest.
    we pay all their salaries owners & players, without the fan there is no game. we are the economic base of the industry.

    if there was an uproar in every franchised city, internet forum, news media, cable television network & fan-base, could they (the collective NFL abusers) afford to turn a deaf ear? the simple & indisputable answer is no. it would not be in their interest to do so.

    the greed of owners & players is @ our expense & displeasure. the movement could begin on an internet forum like ThePhins. any takers willing to promote the cause or is it better to sit & watch? how about some new tricks? maybe its time to return to basic free market principles, like supply & demand. we are the demand curve & its time to establish a legitimate market equilibrium.
    just something to think about as we wallow in our sorrow & injury without recourse, posting about what could be.

    never liked the idea of being victimized. has the fog of football addiction obliterated all reason? we are the solution to the problem.
     
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  2. Ohio Fanatic

    Ohio Fanatic Twuaddle or bust Club Member

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    In an ideal world, maybe something like that would work. but this is anything but ideal. owners and players only care about money, fans are at the bottom of the priority list
     
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  3. Georgia Fin

    Georgia Fin Fin For Life

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    Never gonna happen. You can't get the majority of the people to vote in elections that directly effect their lives. Our society as a whole has gone to hell, fat, dumb, and lazy. We love sports and will cheer like hell on gameday but we also riot and tear **** up when we don't win the big one.
     
  4. arsenal

    arsenal Sunglasses and advil

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    i dont think that would speed anything up... its not like the NFL and players want to be locked out, they want to be turning off fans, etc...

    the issue is someone has to make a concession... who gives to get the deal done? both sides seem stubborn enough to wait for the other to blink... someone needs leverage to force the other to give in, if thats from the courts, or the pressure of losing games, its gotta come from somewhere... the fans bugging i dont think gives either side any leverage or a reason to concede to the other side...
     
  5. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    Friend Ohio Fanatic:
    1) you said: "owners and players only care about money, fans are at the bottom of the priority list..." exactly my point! the fan-base is the NFL Golden Hen that lays the Golden Egg & should be not @ the bottom but the top of things to care about... all the chicken needs is little economic realization & self-esteem to reinvert the order
    2) in the real world, not an ideal world, the one that controls the purse strings calls the shots
     
  6. FinsAreLife

    FinsAreLife Well-Known Member

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    The only way to piss them off would be for no one to show up to any of the NFL games the first week they are back playing,
     
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  7. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    Friend Arsenal:
    1) the concession is all about greed & money on both sides
    2) what greater leverage could there possibly be to the ingrates than diminishing economic returns on their bad investment of selfishness & monopolistic power? if there were an organized effort by the NFL fan-base to boycott all things NFL, the money simply wouldn't be there to argue about
     
  8. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    Friend Georgia Fan:
    1) few people are apathetic about money. most will defend their own interest if they view them in jeopardy
    2) fat, dumb & lazy are not addictions & if they were its just a matter of changing your drug of choice to Friday Night Football @ the local HS, Arena, Canadian & college ball maybe rugby, soccer, boxing, whatever purvader you chose on ant given weekend.
     
  9. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    Friend Ohio Fanatic:
    1) "owners and players only care about money, fans are at the bottom of the priority list..." exactly my point! the fan-base is the NFL Golden Hen that lays the Golden Egg & should be not @ the bottom but the top of their least of things to care about... all the chicken needs is little economic realization & self-esteem to reinvert the order
    2) in the real world, not the ideal world, the one that controls the purse strings calls the shots. the only problem I see is that the fanbase doesn't realize it controls the purse strings & that is justa matter of education.
     
  10. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Exactly. We could scream and yell all we want but until something like this happens Im pretty sure they couldnt give two poops.
     
  11. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    Friend Boik is one of several forum leaders & respected pundits that could carry this idea to fruition using our own forum to jump-start the movement. collectively, ThePhins has the connections with the media, the technical ability & individual leaders to pioneer such a movement. things spread fast on the internet. beats the hell out of agonizing over pretend football, think about it.
     
  12. steveincolorado

    steveincolorado Spook, Storme & Pebbles

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    The only problem there is that the players would still get paid.

    Long, long time ago the reporter that used to follow Bobby Jones made the comment that money is going to ruin sports.......80 years later, look at sports today.
     
  13. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    can't get paid if we don't support their game.

    economics 101:
    we are the demand curve & everything depends on the demand curve.
    can't have a fair market price in anything without one.
    the fans have been collectively remiss in there responsibility to assert themselves
    can't have an equilibrium price without the intersection of both the supply & demand
    Love & Addiction:
    ever had a difficult woman in your life? hope you didn't marry her.
    most men soon learn there are other more reasonable women available to them
    and as soon as they find another love to spend their time & treasure on
    the difficult woman becomes manageable, repents & returns or she is replaced

    the dog wags the tail; the tail doesn't wag the dog
     
  14. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    do we in fact have leaders willing to defend our interest as a forum & fan-base against an abusive, greedy NFL? that is the only real unknown in this equation, the rest is academic & a matter of buying into the idea, then eveloping a system to promote the agenda.
    no reason why we couldn't be first. think of the status it could bring our forum as we begin to re-chart the NFL's economic corrupt & high-handed dealings. beats the hell out of posting pretend football, in anticipation of the next great crisis that threatens our game.
     
  15. steveincolorado

    steveincolorado Spook, Storme & Pebbles

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    If they play come week one, that means that they have a deal. Just because fans could boycott the first game doesn't mean that the players won't get paid.
     
  16. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I dont know if it would bring status, so much as it would bring headaches. The best thing that could happen is that no one show up to the games week 1. That wont happen either though.
     
  17. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    Friend Boik14: wont happen or can't happen?
    buy a bottle of asperin & organize it. see where it goes. its a start & just might fly.
    I believe the fans are really tired of this abuse. you might get a pleasant surprise & some serious notoriety for our site.
    could start out with a series of polls & petitions, maybe more threads dealing with the idea in a more substantive way
    we certainly have the fire-power if the forum buys into it as a whole. we only need the leadership that is abundantly available on this football forum to start the ball rolling. got plenty of whiners, how about some takers? nothing ventured, nothing gained.
     
  18. steveincolorado

    steveincolorado Spook, Storme & Pebbles

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    The only way this could happen is if ticket prices increased.
     
  19. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    Friend steveincolorado :
    it would be one more grievance among so many.
    the only way it will happen is if someone puts the idea out there
    the fan-base needs to be educated/aware & we need leadership
    that's how we get a handle on the many abuses suffered
    we have to collectively address them or bow our head & humbly hope
    for a fair resolution to the many abuses suffered @ their hands

    we need a fan Bill of Rights to be drawn up defining our rights & expectations as the Third Rail of Football
     
  20. DolfanJake

    DolfanJake Banned

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    Well the fans will dictate this even without an organized boycott. After the last work stoppage, it felt like it took 2 years for the NFL to fully recover. Attendance seemed to lag for those 2 years.

    We could begin by boycotting the NFL Network, and NFL.com, and the individual team websites. Also stop listening to radio stations that carry NFL sponsored programming, such as TheFinsiders that airs on 940 here in Miami every weekday from 5pm to 7pm.
     
  21. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    never underestimate organization & the written word. we need someone to step up & lead, the rest will follow...
     
  22. gandalfin

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    Does that mean we should boycott this site too?
    :lol: JK
     
  23. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    Don't see what the big deal is yet. The impact on fans thus far has been minimal. Any issues are really just self-inflicted.
     
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  24. DolfanJake

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    I'd 2nd that. Rugby, which over the last 4 years has become a passion of mine, is a great sport, and of course the "father" of our college & NFL football. I encourage one and all to try and see it, you'll get hooked. No pads, no cups, and tackling just as hard as in NFL football.

    Real men play this sport.

    [video=youtube;BDUB9N-EoTc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDUB9N-EoTc[/video]

    It started in England at The Rugby School in 1820, and is played around the world, and has two different versions with different rules. A 15 man game, which is called Rugby Union and the game I prefer, only became professional in 1996. The other version is the 13 man game which is called Rugby League. For more than 150 years rugby was the game that the upper classes played and soccer was for the working classes. The players in rugby were not paid, hence they usually had another professional career or were members of the aristocracy or the gentry, and had means of wealth.

    Rugby is mainly played in countries in Britain itself or with a British colonial background. It is also played professionally in France & Italy. There are 5 top leagues : (a) The Aviva Premiership which is in England only, (b) The Magners League which has teams in Wales, Scotland, the Irish Republic, Northern Ireland, and in Italy (c) SuperRugby, which until this year had been called Super 14, but an expansion team in Melbourne (the Rebels) was started this year. This league has 5 teams in each of Australia, New Zealand and South Africa. Anyone that complains that putting a team in London is a burden on NFL players needs to look no farther than this league and what distances these teams have to travel in this league every year. Its more than 10,000 km between say Adelaide, Australia and Johannesburg in the RSA, (d) Top 14 in France, which by the way is the richest of all the leagues, and has the largest stadiums. When Stade Français plays in Paris they normally get 60,000 at home games, and if they play Toluon or Tolouse they can get 80,000. (e) Rugby League Championships in Italy and has 9 teams, from Padua to Napoli.

    These teams also all play in different Cup Championships throughout the League seasons. In Europe, the Heineken Cup is the biggest one, and includes the top 3 teams in each league except for Italy, where they take the top two. Each year on a rotating basis gets to include one extra team, to make a total of 16 teams in the competition. They draw pools, and each pool has 4 teams. Same rules as regular league play are in effect - 3 points for a win, 1 point for a draw, and you can earn an extra point if you score 4 or more trys and if you are the losing team, and lose by 7 or less. So you can earn a max of 4 points per match and even in losing you could earn 2 points by losing by less than 7 and scoring 4 or more trys. The winner of the Heineken Cup is considered to be the European Champion for that year and each player receives an extra 500,000 Eruos.

    Teams also play for their nations, and annual international friendlies and also in the Rugby World Cup, which is to be played this year in New Zealand (Sep 9th to Oct 23rd). Sixteen nations will be in the competition, including the USA, which mainly has among its players mostly college students from UC Berkeley (over half the team if usually Cal Golden Bears). The most famous of all the national teams is the ALL BLACKS the national team of New Zealand. Even though they have only won one Rugby World Cup (1987) they are usually the team everyone wants to beat, as in New Zealand, rugby is the national sport, and just about the only sport played there.

    The All Blacks are also famous for their pre-game ritual of THE HAKA : (this is one done a few years ago in Paris before a match with the French national team)

    [video=youtube;56Hb632BCCw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56Hb632BCCw&feature=related[/video]

    The Haka by the way, is a native war dance performed in ancient times before native Maori peoples waged war. They would do the Haka to intimidate the enemy. As you can see its pretty damn fierce.

    Anyways, hope that sparks some interest in rugby with you guys, just in case football isn't around this fall (which I am sure it will be). You can see rugby if you subscribe to Fox Soccer Plus, and also on various websites around the net.
     
  25. aesop

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    I think this is your Jerry Maguire moment.
     
  26. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    just think about it. why do we just sit back & whine, digging ever deeper into our pockets to be victimized by a sport that collectively has more to lose then we do, if it fails finantially? makes no sense to me. maybe we have a Jerry Maguire right on this forum who could start the ball rolling on fan-base rights from our very forum.
     
  27. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    It would be a slow time right now anyway in anticipation for camp.
    We all knew 2010 was billed as the final NFL season.
     
  28. Ohio Fanatic

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    can't agree with you on this one. the NFL controls it's own purse strings. It raises and raises the prices of tickets, merchandise and TV contracts because it knows it has something that has something that is in incredibly high demand by the fans. The NFL is america's sport right now and they know it. the vast majority of us still lick up any NFL news update we can hoping that the lockout ends soon because we can't get enough of our favorite NFL team.

    When demand is this high, fans are willing to pay and keep giving the NFL another chance. We forgive and forget because of the pleasure (and pain) watching NFL games gives us 17 weeks a year (only 17 because we're dolphins fans)
     

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