MortReport (Chris Mortenson) on Miami's interest (or lack of) in Vince Young

But, but Vince Young would be FREE! We could save draft picks, to take chances on ever more players who have never done a thing in the NFL....

Young is my #2 guy.

 

Vince Young is a waste of time. You only take on the kind of PROVEN risk that Vince Young presents if there is also a PROVEN reward. It's like with Terrell Owens. For all the flack every team catches when they sign him, yes there's a proven risk but there's also a proven reward. Vince Young is NOT a proven reward, especially given his lack of work ethic applied to a lockout-shortened off season. The guy has only had ONE good passing season, and it involved a third of the pass attempts you'd expect out of a franchise guy in a normal season. That's not significant enough to say he's proven anything other than he can get lucky on a pass here and there that beefs up his stats enough to temporarily make them look good. He literally dropped back only one third of the amount of times of a normal season-long franchise starter this year, how can anyone draw statistical conclusions based on that? It's bad discipline to do so. And then you put on top of that he's 11-8 over the last three years where Kerry Collins in 16-14, not a significant enough difference to show any kind of special "this guy is just a winner" factors...and he consistently over the last three years has dropped back to pass only 47% of his snaps which is the most consistently least of any QB over the time period. In other words, the Titans won with him by doing exactly what Greg Cosell says the Jets do with Mark Sanchez...MINIMIZE HIS IMPACT ON THE GAME.

And you know what, all of that is fine. It really is. You could take a chance on that, IF HE DIDN'T BRING THE PROVEN RISKS HE BRINGS. But when you're bringing in that kind of proven risk, you need PROVEN rewards.

 

No fuggin way.

 

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Well, if you want more excitement in the offense, and plays extended and hit downfield..

 

Highlight videos. Great. Give me a few hours and enough tape and I can make a highlight video of Cleo Lemon that would have you drooling.

 

Heh, I've seen Cleo play in the CFL..you are not fooling me that easily...

To me, if Henne is going to the #1 guy heading into the yr, Young makes perfect sense as the #2 Qb in that situation as imo you want your backup Qb to be either a very experienced vet who can run any offense (Rex Grossman) or highly mobile (Young) as the defense game planned for a pocket passer not a guy who can torch them with his legs.

 

Vince Young doesn't come to Miami to be a backup. He comes to Miami because you're committed to putting him out on the field and seeing what he's got. If you keep him on the bench then the media will roast you, the players will roast you, and Stephen Ross will be calling you into his office wanting to know why he's paying so much for a proven headache just so that he can warm the bench and we never even see what he's got on the field.

Vince Young comes to Miami, Vince Young plays. Period.

 

Says who? Where is that written?

 

Vince Young just doesn't have the will to make himself into a great NFL quarterback, once it got hard and he couldn't just abuse everyone with his talent he was exposed. When things got tough he quit. I don't see any team that isn't beyond desperate at the Qb position or wanting him strictly as a backup giving him a look. I actually think he has value as a backup Qb along with a situational offensive player in a Qb/Rb/Wr/Wildcat type role but he will be looking to start and making headlines if he isn't so I don't see him here.

 

Very well said.

 

Common knowledge. Young is on the outs in Tennessee for becoming a major distraction in response to not being the starter so I want no parts of him as a backup. His skill set doesn't match Henne's at all, you'd basically have to design two separate offenses. And as far as being the starter, I don't think he's a better QB than Henne.

 

No, that is not exactly what happened, Young wanted to play Fisher used any excuse possible to keep him from playing, Young was ready to come back into the game vs us in 2010 Fisher would not put him back into the game pointing to the injury that Young was willing to play with, that is the second time that has happened, maybe third in TN.

As for skillsets, Young is a better athlete then Colt McCoy who Daboll did fairly well with in Cleveland so it is not as large a leap as one would presume.

Tweaking you aside that is to say, Vince Young just sets some people's teeth on edge so it is sort of fun to poke fun at them (you.. )

 

I am guessing you missed his tempertantrums over the last couple of years ?

NOOOOOOOOOO NO NO NO NO to VY on my Dolphins.

 

What?

Young is the first Qb to get pissed off when they are not playing?

Well it seem to me that one would want your Qb to get angry when they are benched.

 

I want him to get angry, but not pull a temper tantrum like VY does. Or his weird "disappearing" act from a couple of years ago.

Dude he is not worth the headache to Sparano, especially as fragile as this offense is already.

 

There have been a number of comments related to Sparano supposedly doing 'analysis' and discovering that mobile quarterbacks tend to produce more big plays, which correlates with winning percentage. I have no idea whether that's actually correct, but if they believe that, then it makes sense for them to look at VY.

Look at this way, he's young, he doesn't cost a pick, and he can do many of the things people harp on Chad Henne for not doing, like win and connect on the deep stuff.

We essentially only have one QB on the roster and didn't draft anyone. Something is up.

 

yup, I can't get that out of my mind either, is somethin up? or are they gonna come out and admit they made a mistake on benching Henne?... but if they did covet that skillset, than how do you not take one in the draft like CKap.. {A very talented QB that we will come to regret for not taking}....what?.. sorry..

 

And moss was a headache prior to arriving in NE, it is a talent acquisition business.

 

The one where he didn't answer his phone for a couple hours? or a different one? He's a big baby but that "disappearing" act was purely manufactured.

 

Maybe someone can explain this to me:

-Qb goes in the 3rd rd, never has done a single thing in the NFL, character issues and the whole bit, team that drafted him got "wow what a great prospect!"
-all pro Qb who has led his team to playoffs is on verge of release, he is 27 yrs old, and yet "oohh, don't mess with him.."

Isn't actually, you know, NFL on the field accomplishments, supposed to count for more then some draft report for a guy who has never thrown a single pass in the NFL? Do people just enjoy the pain of "oh you have to wait three yrs" stuff?

 

Easy, your evaluation is overly simplistic.

 

and coming to the Miami Dolphins and the New England Patriots are two TOTALLY separate things. In one place chaos exists, and a coaching staff with its head up its collective you know what. Meanwhile at the other place, the coaching staff is strong, smart, dastardly & cunning, and doesn't have to put up with any crap. The 1st time you give them trouble, you are gone. Sorry brother Padre, but that is a horrible example. When Moss started some trouble, you notice he was gone in like 3 seconds ?

 

IIRC is was more like 2 or 3 days......in either case, when you are paid as much as these guys, you don't ever do that. During the football season you have NO PRIVATE LIFE, unless you have earned that with years of service and dedication to your team. A Peyton Manning, Dan Marino, Ray Lewis or Tom Brady can command that, but not a Vince Young.

 

By the by, I venture to say that all of those guys, Manning, Lewis, Marino and Brady have been available every moment of every day since they were in the league, because that is the kind of guys they are, and understand it takes 110% of themselves to be as good as they are.

 

Interesting you praise Ray Lewis, the same person who allegedly murdered a dude, in a thread bashing Vince Youngs (no criminal record) character issues. (not that you meant to make a point there, but just saying..)

 

So was:

Roth
Porter
White
Wilson
Grove
Smiley

This regime will get a player who does not perform out the door and do so quickly.

 

Heh, impossibility when one compares a draft choice whose claim to fame is transferring from MI to Arkansas and having enough character questions to knock him to the 3rd rd.

Both guys do appear to want to play football, one has had success at the NFL level the other absolutely nothing at all.

Pure Hopeium.

 

I am talking about SPECIFIC character issues here. Ray Lewis has never left the team in the middle of a season because he was acting like a spoiled little brat.

I don't want anyone who has had this kind of character issue, to be even on the team, much less be the QB. That is why I have been against RW ever coming back to the Dolphins. I wished he had stayed in California and smoked his weed and practiced his yoga to his little hearts content.

 

Heh, when Fisher would not put him back into the game with an injury he was willing to play through that said more then Fisher could have ever uttered.

For pete's sakes, Brandon Marshall got shived by his wife in his own home, VY wanted to play football, and yet the same pablum is not being said of Marshall.

 

But they let Jason Allen stick around for 2 years, why ? Maybe because he was a 1st round pick, so they tried everything, to maximize the pick before completely giving up on him.

If they brought in VY, trust me their credibility would be tested 100% with the owner & fans. If he failed, there would be no doubt about both Ireland & Sparano going bye-bye. If Henne fails this year, I think Ireland could survive, but Sparano would probably go (I think he is going anyways). Ireland would be assinine to put his job on the line with VY. He is not that stupid.

 

I personally don't like BM and wish he wasn't on the team. And of course with that example, you think they are going to go ahead and stake their jobs on a guy that is that sensitive ? You keep on harping back to this "he wanted to go back in the game" stuff. To be honest this is the 1st I have hear of this, and I wonder if this is some kind of urban legend being repeated in order to create goodwill for VY by his supporters. Can someone back up with links, CREDIBLE articles showing that day or the day after quotes from VY saying as much ? If you do then I will be slightly more open to VY coming. But I would still be generally against it.

 

JA still lead us in interceptions.

Honestly, I think fans would be so pumped about it that it would not even be funny, most are famished for a Qb they can believe in.

Here is what most fans would "hear":

-all pro Qb
-led TN to the playoffs
-singlehandedly won Title at Texas

imho

 

As a dolphin fan living in Tennessee, and having watched almost all of Vince's games, I can say WITHOUT DOUBT that he is our best option this offseason, and that ESPN has been feeding you all the most one-sided BS possible. Anyone close to the situation knows this was completely 2-sided between Fisher and VY. While Vince didn't react perfectly, given how insanely poor he was being treated a lot of players would have asked out LONG before this happened. He is the most proven QB available (elite winning %), has the most upside/youth, and yet is the cheapest. The mental stuff is amazingly overblown--he had a problem with 1 coach who was out to get him--his teammates still liked him, and don't forget that Vince was always known for his excellent intangibles/clutchness/leadership.

ckparrot--your numbers are flat out deceptive if not wrong entirely. 2006: After being the 3rd-worst team the year before, Titans start 0-3 with Collins. Vince comes in, they end up 8-8, one game out of the playoffs. ROY and Pro Bowl for Vince. 2007: Team goes 10-6 with Vince, playoff loss to Chargers. As starters, Vince was 1-1 in 2008 (with one game as a trash end of season game w/o starters), while Collins was 12-4. 2009: Collins goes 0-6, the owner forces Vince into the lineup, and he goes 8-2 with THE SAME TEAM, barely missing the playoffs. Pro Bowl for VY. 2010: Vince goes 4-4, including a couple of very close games that he didn't get to finish (injury and Fisher again), while Collins goes 2-5. In 2010 before the injury, VY was top 5 in QB rating and the Titans led the league in scoring. Afterwards, the team got shutout by Houston and became one of the worst offenses in the NFL.
Listen, I'm not saying that being better than Collins make him a good QB, but there is infinite evidence that supports Vince as being OVERWHELMINGLY better than Collins in his Titan days, so that argument is 100% wrong.

I will also point out that his on-field production issues are practically gone. The first 2 years, you would hear lots of Titan fans gripe about his decision making and accuracy, but these last 2, he has been a stellar passer, showing drastic improvement in both. He is also one of the best deep ball throwers in the league. The numbers prove all of this too.
If anything--strangely, the biggest complaint about his on-field work this year was that he didn't run enough when he had opportunities.

Right now, we have a chance to pick up a potential franchise QB with an unbelievable skillset for next-to-nothing. If he is in a more supportive situation, I have no doubt that the "mental issues" will be non-existent, and with his proven on-field performance, I don't see why we wouldn't pick him up..

 

Wait, did you follow the "blowup" at all?? That was the whole reason for it. Every single news source knew that. Vince wanted to go back in and Fisher wouldn't let him, putting in a 6th round rookie (who obviously sucked) and eventually losing in OT by 3. What people often also forget is the game just before this one, coincidentally against the Dolphins (some of you might remember this): Collins started the game because Vince was "hurt." (some leg injury) Well, collins went down at some point, and in comes VY, scrambling around and making plays and looking 100% healthy. Well sure enough, ESPN and the local news are bashing Vince, "If he was as healthy as he looked, he should have insisted on starting blah blah he doesn't have the heart." Well, after the Redskins game/debacle, the truth came out---Vince had BEGGED to start against MIA, but Fisher wouldn't let him. This is the kind of stuff Vince was dealing with..

 

This guy truly explains the VY situation very well (disregard the Redskins stuff). Again, being close to all of this from a neutral viewpoint, I really think this is a fair explanation:

http://burgundyblog.com/post/5367586151/vince

 

This guy truly explains the VY situation very well (disregard the Redskins stuff). Again, being close to all of this from a neutral viewpoint, I really think this is a fair explanation: (take out the space between "." and "com" to read it)

http://burgundyblog. com/post/5367586151/vince

 

IDK if I would say that article is "neutral" finagin, and VY is my #2 "want to land" Qb on my list this offseason, but the "stormed out on his team" stuff is, well, this explains what is what:

To me, this is what I mean by Fisher not really liking Young, I have never, and I do mean never, heard of a starting NFL qb who was injured not being put back into the game (save for concussions) and recall Rivers playing a AFC Title game with a ACL tear, if Young was physically able to go into the game Fisher should have put him back into it and chose Rusty Smith instead, this with his teams' playoff chances on the line, he goes with the 6th rd pick Qb who got no first team reps, to lead them to victory over a willing to play VY.

As for the strip club stuff, eh, back in the day no one would have said a word.

 

Major hole in your theory. If what you say is true then the Titans would be keeping Vince Young now that Jeff Fisher is gone. They're not. They're getting rid of him.

My numbers are not wrong. I covered the last three years and made that plain. He was 11-8 in games in which he played significantly. Kerry Collins was 16-14 in the games in which he played significantly. Young was asked to only drop back for a pass on about 47% of his snaps, the lowest share of an offense that any QB had over the time period. They minimized his impact, and that is how they won. If you want to dispute those numbers, dispute them, but my facts are correct and so any differing numbers you offer would either be incorrect, or apples-to-oranges.

Well-decorated and highly respected head coach Jeff Fisher disagrees with you.

An 83 QB Rating is "stellar" now? So I guess Ryan Fitzpatrick is a "stellar" quarterback?