Ok I know this sounds crazy and will catch a TON of flack but.....

PhinPhanatic · May 9, 2011

SICK said:

[video=youtube;TERnwoqnmLk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TERnwoqnmLk&feature=related[/video]

Ok seriously, watch the entire video, this guy isnt far removed from any of these throws, even the college ones. The first 2 throws of the video, are down the field, with touch, and touchdowns everytime if thrown to marshall. LET THE GUY THROW!!!!
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VERY IMPRESSIVE!! Makes me see what Big Bill saw in the kid! If he could only string together several games like that. I did notice the play action, but also how well he sold it. Granted with a running game that threatens its MUCH easier but the way he did it made the location of the ball tricky I thought. That kind of stealth would help both running and passing games. Looked slick though.

miamiron · May 9, 2011

ToddsPhins said:

Henne was NOT a bad redzone QB. Your description is not accurate Dupree. If Henne was a poor rezdone QB then so was half the league including Drew Brees. Please dont confuse "not having many TDs because you're opportunities are limited" with "not being good in the redzone".

Rewatch the first half of the season and see how many passes were dropped. See how many TDs were missed b/c the receiver couldn't hold onto the ball, get his foot in bounds, or not run out of bounds then come back in. Watch how many INTs occurred b/c receivers fell down or half-arsed the play. Pay attention to INTs that occurred after receivers dropped key passes that left Henne in 3rd and long (see Cobbs dropping a perfectly thrown wheel route that hits him in the numbers, leading to an INT on 3rd & 10 two plays later <also thanks to the ground game running for no yards>). Pay attention to HOW MANY drives were killed or stalled because the ground game stalled it.

Seriously, is Henne supposed to do EVERYTHING? Does it not matter to you that our ground game is supposed to account for some of our production? (you know-- since we're a running team and all). I could empathize with you if we're talking about 1 game where the ground game was ineffective and Henne couldn't pick up the slack, but we're not; we're talking an entire season of Henne being asked to pick up the slack without the proper resources to do so, including OC & playcalling. If you want to put all the pressure on Henne and expect him to succeed, then give him the resources and an OC who doesn't cut him off at the wrists. It blows my mind that you think any QB can carry a run-oriented offense on his shoulders with Henning as the OC while playing behind a dismantled OLine & 6 practice squad guys at WR & TE. You act as if we're a team built to pass and Henne was in the perfect situation to throw 50 times per game.

We were a league leader in yards while not finishing drives because HENNE would drive the team down the field doing much of the work, and then Henning would revert to a useless wildcat play or run for negative yards. It's slightly difficult for a QB to finish a nice drive (that he was mostly responsible for) when he's not given the opportunity to do so.

Enough with this "Henne is not Rodgers" bull doodie. Rodgers didn't have injuries all across his entire offense like Henne. I guess Peyton Manning is "no Aaron Rodgers" either because he sure as heck went 1-4 with 13 INTs during 5 games when the same thing happened to him.

And his pocket presence isn't poor. It's average, and it improved as the year went on. It's also difficult to have mobility in the pocket with a sprained knee.
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I've never heard more excuses in my life than your post

jim1 · May 9, 2011

Watching those clips makes me want to re sign Ricky Williams even more. Dude can still motor, has gas left in the tank. I'm not as big a fan of Ronnie Brown, but that was one hell of a catch he made in one of the clips. around the 4:00 mark.

MrClean · May 9, 2011

miamiron said:

I've never heard more truth in my life than your post
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Fixed it for you.

Topdawg13 · May 10, 2011

PhinPhanatic said:

I would trade everything and the kitchen sink for Luck next year. All reports say he is the best and most prepared prospect coming out since Payton. Is there anyone who, in retrospect, would not trade an entire draft for a HOF QB like Payton? Doubt it. I think its worth the risk. If all goes well most holes should be filled by then. One draft last year on D and this year on O should allow us to have some ability to gamble with picks. given the importance of the QB postion, the unanimous feelings about Luck as a prospect, I would trade picks and any potential disposable players for Luck!! Opinions?
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I wouldn't count on it, by next draft there should be a new CBA in place, with a new rookie salary cap. With top five picks being more affordable, along with usually being the best players in the draft, I doubt we would have enough to move up.

Topdawg13 · May 10, 2011

Bpk said:

I'd gladly give up a rising star in Cam Wake (hoping he leads the league in sacks), plus our entire dang draft to get Luck.
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I wouldn't, IMO it's not smart to give up our only consistent pass-rusher, and weaken our defense in the process, for one prospect that might or might not pan out, no matter how "cant miss" everyone seems to think he is.

MrClean · May 10, 2011

Topdawg13 said:

I wouldn't, IMO it's not smart to give up our only consistent pass-rusher, and weaken our defense in the process, for one prospect that might or might not pan out, no matter how "cant miss" everyone seems to think he is.
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It would be foolish, I agree, to trade Wake plus every draft pick for just Luck. It is far to soon anyway to make such a statement.
Last year at this time, a lot of people thought Jake Locker would go 1st overall in 2011. Then his senior season wasn't very good. I agree we need to see Luck play his senior season without Harbaugh as his coach. Things could change in the rankings. There are possibly 3-4 really nice blue chip QB prospects in the 2012 draft.

finfansince72 · May 13, 2011

Whoever has the number one overall next year is probably going to take Luck regardless of what anyone offers them. He would have been the no brainer number one this year and should be again next year. Who knows, maybe he has an off year or gets hurt, etc so he might be available later but if his stock is still high next year I doubt anyone would trade him, even for an entire draft.

PhinPhanatic · May 19, 2011

finfansince72 said:

Whoever has the number one overall next year is probably going to take Luck regardless of what anyone offers them. He would have been the no brainer number one this year and should be again next year. Who knows, maybe he has an off year or gets hurt, etc so he might be available later but if his stock is still high next year I doubt anyone would trade him, even for an entire draft.
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What if its Carolina, AZ after they get Kolb, Tenn, Det because stafford injury, ended with the 1st pick? There are still many many bad teams that would not want or feel need for a QB.

finfansince72 · May 21, 2011

PhinPhanatic said:

What if its Carolina, AZ after they get Kolb, Tenn, Det because stafford injury, ended with the 1st pick? There are still many many bad teams that would not want or feel need for a QB.
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That would be a nice scenario but really a lot of those teams would take Luck too I think. Luck is going to be the no brainer number one overall next year unless he gets hurt this year, he's one of the highest rated Qb prospects in ages. Even if some of those teams are at the top and looking to move the pick I would think we'd need to be in the top 5-10 to even have a shot at him.

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