1st down success key to winning the game: (We will need to improve greatly)

You asked what topics to discuss. I like talking about our defense these days. They're pretty good, haha

 

IMO, no matter who starts at QB for us in 2011, if we don't improve on 1st down, they will struggle. I don't think Orton would have put up a mid 80s QB rating last season, if he were in Henne's place and if we do trade for Orton, and we can't run the ball, he isn't going to do much better than Henne did without a decent run game.

 

Fair enough, MC. That's your opinion. No need to try and debate the theory of statistical measuring and its relevance.

 

Agreed.

 

Not when they give up too much on 1st down.

 

That's right. The more I look into the advanced stats that sites like footballoutsiders and advanced nfl statistics have put out, the more I'm realizing that these statistics are simply an objective way of measuring what your subjective eyes can't measure.

Chad Henne had a 76.6 QBR with 12 TDs, and 13 INTs as a starter in 2009. Everyone was excited about his potential at that time. He was the future of the franchise. A year later, after posting a 74.4 QBR with 14 TDS and 18 INTs as a starter, he's now the worst quarterback that has ever put on a Dolphins jersey. What was the difference between the two years?

The 2010 decline in the running game. Miami wasn't great in 2009 at running the ball, but they were better than they were in 2010.

 

Baby, he was born this way!...





I'm your 2011 starting quarterback, *****!

 

There really is nothing to respond to. Someone threw some stats out there, got it, cool.

If you go back and look I never attacked the OP, I was agreeing with someone else that there is too much bickering about our QB in EVERY thread made on here and that it has gotten annoying.

I see you've been here a long time, since when did this Delta house become the Omegas?

 

IMO the biggest difference from 2009 to 2010 was Henne's expectations. People were expecting a big jump in his play, especially w/ the addition of Marshall. Unfortunately, the run game fell apart and Henne was asked to be the focal point of the offense instead of a facilitator, which was all he was capable of doing at that point in his career.

 

Henne's last season was like the last season of Lost. There were a lot of questions that people wanted answered. He answered some, but not enough to be satisfying.

 

Maybe I'm in the minority but I wasn't expecting a huge jump in his numbers. I honestly was expecting about 20 TDs to 12 ints. I think that's why alot of folks are down on him not because they were expecting 30 TDs but because he just didn't improve much from his 12 the year before.

I think losing Camarillo hurt his numbers too. I know he didn't do much for the Vikes and we have a good WR corps but he was extremely reliable and steady in our offense.

There might be some interesting analysis: What were Henne's numbers in 09 with Camarillo vs without? IIRC Camarillo missed some games to injury. It could be nothing too though.

 

just finished game 6...there was a big jump in his play..very big.

 

we need to stock the stable & compete

 

We may have been able to use Camarillo once Hartline went on IR. Though it would not have helped for anyone being a deep threat. IMO, the dropoff from Hartline to his raw rookie replacements had a noticeable effect on Henne's production. We went from 3 viable WR threats to 2. Neither Moore or Wallace was ready to pick up the slack. Maybe next year one or both will step up their game. Too early to tell yet.

 

Henne sucks; Henne will never amount to anything; I don't need to give my reasons why because my word is God.

 

Losing Camarillo def hurt our depth at the position, forcing us to play Wallace, Moore & Curtis, none of whom are NFL caliber WRs. Cam would've allowed Hartline to play in the slot, alleviating some of our seam threat woes, and he could've given any of our guys a breather w/o the dropoff we saw from our 4th & 5th guys. As it was, once Marshall & Hartline went down, we had no depth whatsoever and our 3 wide sets were toothless.

I dont think 20-12 was a unrealistic goal, it became unrealistic IMO largely b/c our offensive philosophy. Whenever we got into FG range it was ultra conservative time. WC, runs, short passes, etc. We rarely attacked the end zone, we basically played for FGs. Also, Henne had a lot of bad luck INTs last year, WRs falling down, running different routes from what he expected & tipped balls cost him 9 INTs by my count. That stuff happens to all QBs but 9 is higher than the norm and chances are it'll revert back towards the mean next season.

 

Loser!!!

 

Absolutley not! Unless it makes you angry? lol

I just loved the way you worded it.

 

Oh come now Todd, you know I had some fancy schmancy college professor tell me once that you can use stats to prove anything you want. Anyone with eyes can see that is what you are doing here. Anyone with eyeballs can see Henne sucks and no matter what any statistics say, the entire losing 2010 season was all his fault.

I kid, I kid!!! That is what I do, actually I don't remember much about college, other than smoking a lot of Thai stick and spending a lot of time occupying various administration buildings.