Couple of reasons....... 1. Didn't have anything to say, just wanted to post this story 2. Forgot about the thread 3. To get people *****ing, because I didn't post this in the current PSN thread. Happy now..........
Sold my old Xbox360 last night for $100. Bought the new HDMI slim model today for $200 with a $50 credit and free 1600 Microsoft points - http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2891299 Looks like I'm crawling back to Xbox Live. I'll still be playing Black Ops on PSN if it ever comes back.
Supposed to be back beginning this week. I don’t think Sony ever gave a specific timeframe besides saying that the process would start this week. They can probably flip the servers back on right now, but I’d imagine that the delay is due to them finalizing the PS3 firmware update mentioned earlier.
Good move by Sony here: http://www.joystiq.com/2011/05/05/sony-to-offer-psn-users-free-identity-theft-protection-for-one-y/
Well, lots of news today… One: Anonymous likely was behind the PSN hack after all And two: there may be more PSN hacking on the way
This makes no ****ing sense. You're going to attack them again because you didn't like how they handled a previous attack? Just admit you are a bunch of spiteful *******s who have nothing better to do than screw with others.
Why doesnt someone just go to those dudes "offices" and beat the hell out of them? Ovaltine drinking fuks, jesus I mean track these little dorks down and scare the hell out of them. Do something, your a multi million dollar company and your sales are going to plummitt over some loser computer nerds? I think not, handle things the old fashion way. Ever saw Casino? Yea something along those lines.
Yeah it's safe to say I wanna kick some hacker nerd *** as well. It's like old people who drive big *** vehicles that are complete pricks on the road. Not that I really want to kick their *** personally, but they deserve it.
Concur. Guys who suck at life but hack people's crap to make themselves feel powerful or worth something. They should try doing something useful for society for once. Maybe then they could get laid. I'm just going to assume every hacker fits this stereotype.
Dudes who aren't real men and never will be but can sit behind a computer screen in their mom's basement and try to look like big shots. They definitely deserve it.
Just in case you couldn’t tell, PSN won’t be up for a while. It’s probably time to fire some people once this is resolved.
Double Fist Pump...JUST when I become addicted its taken away. But hey Im sure we will get triple XP points for a week.
Here is my issue... Everyone is getting PS3 Plus for a month. Thats awesome... but the people who are getting Plus for an extra month if they already have it makes no sense... DUHHHH they should get an extra month because they are paying for it and can not even use it for almost a month. So really people who pay for plus are not getting anything...
I’d imagine they get a free month on top. Plus there are free games being given out, though Sony hasn’t announced which ones. We’ll see.
I wouldn't blame the hackers here. Sony brought this on themselves. Suing GEOHOT for playing Mario Brothers on his PS3 was one thing, but SONY filled a $1,000,000 lawsuit against another hacker (graf?) for putting linux back on his PS3. The "scene" felt like this was unfair, and this was the best method to stop SONY from suing people who were doing legal things to products they legally bought.
One more thing, I did call Bank of America this week and asked them to send me a new debit card. If anybody is considering doing this, I would go ahead. The process was free and painless (it took about 5 minutes maybe). What took longer was changing the password on sites like: Paypal, facebook, amazon, etc. I use the same name and password for everything.
From Sony’s perspective, the problem is that PS3 hacking could enable game piracy ala the PSP. They’ve lost a lot of money on that, they don’t want to do it again. Besides, does scene anger over losing Linux give them the right to put our personal information online and steal our credit card numbers? Nope. You should never, ever use the same login/pass twice. Password managers are hugely helpful here.
Yeah exactly. Some hacker is pissed because he can't put Linux on his PS3 so he's completely justified in stealing my account information....
??? Horrible logic. Some dude cut me off driving about an hour ago, does it make sense for me to go buy a Sentry Gun and put it in front of his house? No. Or maybe i should just put on my ghost outfit and go set claymores all over his lawn...or maybe since he is a poor driver I should send a napalm strike right over his car. According to your logic he wouldve brought it ALL on himself.
SONY is the "raper" here. They initiated the actions and filed the lawsuits. Then they lost your credit card information by having crappy security. Then they didn't tell you until a week later. I'm not saying it's justified, but I find it odd that Sony gets little of the blame. Microsoft, to my knowledge, hasn't gone after any modders and they are doing great right now. Besides, they're different hackers. One guy put linux on his ps3 and is being sued $1,000,000 for doing so. A separate group of people who consider themselves "hacktavists" thought that law suit was unfair. I'm not sure what this post is saying, but by my logic it is legal to buy a kitchen knife at target. If you kill somebody with that knife that it is illegal. Target should not got to jail, you should go to jail. What is illegal is piracy. SONY should go after people who copy and upload games, not the two hackers they went after.
Personally, my problem with your reasoning here is that you’ve yet to properly account for why PSN users have to be victimized by the theft of their personal information. It’s not Sony who’s truly hurt by the PSN hack, it’s everyone who uses PSN. We now have to put up with the possibility of identity theft because some hackers didn’t like a lawsuit? In what universe is this any sort of appropriate response?
I've since edited that post, but you're right. Maybe I should've said they both deserve blame. I think that SONY was irresponsible with our credit card numbers and passwords. I'm also starting to sympathize with the hackers, although I can see that's an unpopular position to be in.
Sony clearly could have had better security, but that isn’t an excuse, let alone a justification. If someone leaves their keys in their car and the door unlocked, it’s still not okay to help yourself and drive off. Sony isn’t really the victim here. We are.
We agree. But by your example, if I lend you my keys and my car (i.e. credit card number), and you leave my car with the keys in it unlocked, I'm pissed. If it gets stolen, I'm more mad at you than I am at the person who stole my car, because you know there are car thieves out there and you were irresponsible with my car. Now, if you leave the keys in the car with the door unlocked, and then provoke a known car thief (in this case, hackers), I'm doubly angry at you now for being so stupid with something that is so valuable to me.
Again, in what universe is a lawsuit against Party A (Hotz) legitimate grounds for Party B (Anonymous) to attack Party C (PSN users)?
I'll try and wrap this up. We're arguing who should get the blame, correct? If so, Party B has a humongous obligation to protect my information and not provoke Party C. I place the blame on Sony. You don't. Does ANONYMOUS have legitimate grounds for taking my credit card information? Nope. I thought this was clear in post 110 and 112, but I guess not. Final point to hopefully make this clearer. Hotz has been jailbreaking idevices for years. Jailbreaks can lead to piracy. However, jailbreaks themselves are not illegal. Apple does the right thing and does not sue him for a million dollars. Hackers don't feel the need to back one of their own. Sony launches a $1,000,000 lawsuit against Graf_Chokolo, for putting linux back on the PS3 (which is legal). This makes the hacker community go after Sony, for what they see as bullying. Sony's bad leads to my credit card number getting stolen.
This is all you need to say. Attempting to justify the hacking because Sony sued someone unrelated to Anonymous takes you into the realm of the absurd. Not to say that you don’t legitimately believe it, but you’re not getting very far by saying all of this is Sony’s fault. Again, Party B unrelated to Party A attacks Party C because of something that Party C did not do. Basically, we’re trying to tell you that you’re inappropriately shifting the blame.
Video of the PSN being hacked. [video=youtube;5wT6cCheXgo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wT6cCheXgo[/video]
I don't think Sony trying to stop someone from modding their console in order to steal games is inappropriate either. Maybe the lawsuit was a little over the top but I'd say Sony is unlikely to be awarded a million dollars anyway. So what if Microsoft looks the other way. What choice do they have? People have been modding their consoles with great success for ten years or so already.
Pretty much agree with this. While I understand Sony's stance on why they don't want their console's hacked, I can't possibly condone a company telling people what to do (when it's not illegal) with hardware that they bought. If I bought my PS3 and found a better home media center software that Sony didn't like **** the. I paid a lot of money for my console, and I'll do with it as I please. Installing a new OS on a console shouldn't be illegal by any stretch of the mind. Now, if they want to go after the people uploading and downloading pirated games...THAT is something I'll support. That is actively breaking the law, and while I personally don't really care... I can't fault Sony for stepping in and trying to stem the bleeding. I know that piracy is hurting all console's (PSP and Wii probably more than others), but suing people who make hardware changes is not the way to solve that problem. As was stated before, Apple phones get jail broken all of the time....that doesn't mean that they sue the hackers. They simply make an update the breaks the hack. Rinse/repeat. People are using Microsoft's Kinect to make all kinds of ground breaking things happen...this made Microsoft uncomfortable in the beginning, but they're realizing that they can't stop people from changing the hardware that they purchased, and the use of kinect technology for things other than gaming is a good thing for everyone involved. While it may be "legal" for Sony to put something in the fine print that makes it "illegal" to tweak their hardware, that doesn't make it right. It's like record companies coming after us for ripping music off of CD's and putting them in our iTune's libraries. I bout the music, and it's much more viable for me to use it in a digital format on my HD rather than in a clunky CD. As long as I'm not passing out free copies of their music there shouldn't be an issue with this. The same thing goes for trading in used games. The industry may step in (if they already haven't) and put fine print on a disc saying that you can't sell or trade the game after you're done with it. If you don't think that's legal do a google search for a recent Autodesk lawsuit. A court essentially ruled (wrongly IMO) that a customer doesn't own the software, and that the software is the property of AutoDesk. When the customer is done with the software, he cannot re-sell it and is out the thousands of dollars that he put into AutoCAD. The court totally dropped the ball on that ruling IMO, and misunderstood what the litigation was all about. But the ruling was the ruling, and Architecture firms all around the world are looking at having hundreds of thousands of dollars of worthless software as a result. License's that they cannot transfer when they finish with them. I of course don't condone the hacking, and I don't blame Sony for it. But I do see the anger over what Sony did. It's a slippery slope for the consumer that they went down.
I'm confused by a couple of the bolded things. So it's "legal" for people to "illegally" alter the OS on the PS3 even though these people agreed to accept that doing so was "illegal?"