Why I think Beck still starts... or his Job to loose

I doubt Bill or Jeff really put any thought into that statistic.
My guess is they looked at their draft board and saw Henne still there, and he was the BPA.
Admittedly, there are questions about the QB position. Even if Beck happens to be the next coming of Marino, he's still largely untested and unproven at this point.
This is just a CYA move with great value.
I think Beck is going to surprise a lot of people this year, and I think Mr. Lee feels the same way.

 

I agree 100%. I think another key reason that we picked up Henne is also the fact that next years QB class is not looking good at all. We got nice value for Henne at 57 and I'm sure the FO feels that taking him was a much better option then scrambling for another QB in next years draft or trying to negotiate a trade. If Beck cant get it together this year then we're at least have another option in Henne that comes without wasting more picks.

 

naa, prudent drafting Rick.. [I am speaking generally here Rick, please take no offense] some just want beck to fail, that camp certainly spends a lot of time finding faults in him but not his potential competition. Quinn was better, Ryan was better, and now Henne is better.. and none of them have done anything to actually prove that on an nfl field, but yet all day long here you will hear how that means nothing, they are better anyway.. All of a sudden, now Henne is the darling that is so good some are predicting that Beck is cut before seasons start...

Me, I think not taking a quality qb in this draft would have been horribly negligent. The ONLY way to get a quality qb who has any chance of actually making the transition to the bigs is to spend the dough and/or pick. I applaud our staff for the prudence of covering the position with decent potential at a good value. So, I don't see this as an indictment of any kind, I see it as smart strategy.

And you know, parcells is a weirdo when it comes to qb's. He just might keep McCown starting no matter the young guys performance.

But I could be wrong about it all, certainly wouldn't be the first time.

 

Marty, you said that so purty! I'm gone do me some studyin and become a wordsmith like you.

 

Thank you, I have no idea what the FO has in store for this team and the players. I just try to look at all the facts and try to leave bias out of my opinion.

 

Rick's hunkerin down! Ain't nobody gonna move him off his rock.

Rick, I think you would be a lot of fun to hang around with.

......But C-O-N-T-R-A-R-Y!!!!!

 

I don't base my opinion on what's popular with other fans, I base it on what I've seen in the NFL while watching it over the last 30+ years. I certainly don't plan on changing my opinion because people disagree with me. IMHO people who do that (get all wishy washy just because some people don't like their opinion) didn't think hard enough or research closely enough about their opinion in the first place.

 

And some people just want him to succeed so badly they ignore both his many faults and the realities of the NFL.

That ignores the fact he was taken in the second round, as most people who minimize the importance of his being drafted ignore. If Parcells were satisfied with Beck and McCown as 1 and 2, he would have waited until at least the third round and likely even later to take a rookie QB.

 

Heh...your second sentence says why your first sentence is false.

 

Why? Maybe he thought that Henne had a lot of potential and he was the only QB left worth drafting. IMO it'd be pretty stupid to wait around and see which decent QB, if any, fell to the third. If we did that and just picked whichever QB was there just to draft by position then we really would be wasting a pick.

Say we waited until the 3rd and we took Woodson (just an example, no hard feelings). So then we start Beck at the beginning of this year and hes awful for 6 games. We try McCown and he sucks too. So now we get to Woodson and hes terrible for the rest of the time he's on our team. Now we just wasted a 3rd on a bust because we just drafted whoever was there at that position. We could of used that 3rd on another important position but we didn't simply because we would settle with whoever was there.

IMO we took Henne because we see potential in him, we believe we got him at good value, and simply because we need another POTENTIAL starting caliber QB on the team.(2 is not enough)

If we're going to draft for a major position that we need depth at then why not take the best guy available? We did and thats all there is to it IMO.

 

Marino1983

 

touche', but of course not me, "I'm" objective

naa, we are gunna have to disagree. You make an excellent point, but the value was there and imo, they pulled the trigger on a good deal. It was a prudent course of action given the value, the extra twos, and next year.

 

Because we have so many other needs that, if he were satisfied with Beck and McCown at 1 and 2, he would have gone with another position at that draft pick.

 

Not really Rick. Legally, Indictment is a formal accusation of committing a criminal offense.

What ya gonna charge him with? What's his crime? His Kryptonite was his offensive line! See where I'm going with this? Not even Superman could have performed any better under the circumstances John Beck was in.

 

I'm pretty sure Superman wouldn't have fumbled those snaps.

 

YES, he would have!

 

well if you think that having two competent QBs on a roster is enough then we cant debate this any further. and none of us have any idea how McCown will be regardless of who starts so I really dont see how anyone can think that these two QBs are enough.

 

My take on this is that, as stated eslewere you can't have too many good qb's. I don't think the fact that beck is not parcells guy has anyting to do with the henne pick. If parcells was sure beck was not the answer he would not have waited to pull the trigger on the henne pick. This is just as the gm said it is competition. Henne was brought in to compete for the starting job. One thing is for sure I don't care who drafted any of the qb's.
Who ever is the best qb should start regardless of who drafted or signed him. Annything else would be an outrage. The age issue is not important not for a qb. Especially two years of less dammage to his body, maturity and such. Time will tell who is the starter.
I don't have any preference who starts as long as it's the best qb.

 

By the same token anyone of us annointing him the savior after those games needs some perspective. He is still unproven and as such he remains someone who should not be handed the clipboard just cuz he was here.

I don't particularly want either to win, I just want a QB. A good one. Both of them could be, but I am as against just starting Henne as I am against just saying Beck should be the guy, just cuz he was here and he interviews well.

Ask anyone that is not a Dolphin fan what they think of John Beck. They will all laugh in your face. Simple as that, we are the only ones that think this kid can succeed, part of it is because we have followed him closer, part of it is because we want him to succeed. Just like you can't flame Beck for those horrible games, you can't tell me he has it on the basis of those games either.

In other words, we got two unknowns. I hope one of them makes, maybe hope Henne a little more, just cuz he is younger, so he would be around for longer. But for the most part, I don't care which one it is.

Having said that, I think the backlash on the people that are excited about the Henne hiring is ridiculous, you'd think Beck had been Marino reincarnated when he stepped on the game, and how dare anyone question Beck's greatness-to-be... when he has yet to show anything. Not bad or good (well, good that he doesn't throw picks easily, bad that he just can't hold onto that ball) so forgive me if I say that I honestly think that whomever looks best will start in the end. And I kinda think that will be McCown at least at the begining.

 

I dunno Marty, I didn't think it would be a big deal until I went back and did the research. Ordinarily, a team won't spend a high pick on a QB after they spent a high pick on a QB for a variety of reasons, such as giving the kid time to develop or they haven't seen enough of him to make a decision if he should start or not. I'd expect if it were prudent drafting or drafting for competition purposes that it would have happened at least once in the time I did the research for, but it didn't. Not once, save for us.

At first I thought it was a little suspicious when I went back 5 years. Then I went back all the way to 2000, and sure enough we were still the only team to draft two QBs in consecutive years with day 1 picks. Then I decided to go back to 95, and we were still the only ones. I had a little bit of extra time at lunch so I said to hell with it and went back to 1990 - and we were still the only team that did it.

I hear all of the reasons given and arguments made why drafting Henne was a good idea - best player available, hedging bets, competition - and they make sense. The only problem is, for as much sense as they make, for all of the seemingly obvious reasons to do it, we're the only team in at least 18 years to do what we did. That's significant enough from a drafting and statistical standpoint to say something may be right with the reasoning, but certainly wrong from an NFL drafting standpoint.

I'd like to believe that this is just an anomaly, that the team will perform due diligence and there'll be an open QB competition, but I wouldn't be surprised or upset if they didn't. This happens all the time in the NFL, and we've seen it happen on our team plenty in the past decade. The front office brings in their guys and those are the guys that get the jobs. Look at Feely, Culpepper, and Green. Look at Kyle Boller in Baltimore. Look at Brodie Croyle in Kansas City.

I've already been upset with the fact that Beck is more than likely out of here for no better reason than he wasn't drafted by the guys in charge now. It's just business though Marty, even though it hurts to think of it that way. It's cold, and it's soulless. Especially for soaks like us who saw the way that Marino was treated, the way that Zach just got cut and who are going to see JT treated like crap despite all he gave to the organization and community.

But the NFL is about winning. You don't sell merchandise, you don't get TV deals, and you don't pack the stadium if you're a loser. You certainly don't do it in a town that's got a lot more to offer than just a football team. For the Dolphins, wining is important, hurt feelings aren't. From the moment I was a fan of the Dolphins at 6 up until the point where I became an adult, Shula was the coach of the Dolphins, Dan Marino was it's QB, and the Dolphins were perennial playoff contenders. Things for me were good even through the JJ, Wanny, and Saban days.

Last year something changed though Marty. Last year was the first time in my life I could remember turning off the Dolphins game early. I was at my local bar, watching the game, and I just couldn't take it anymore. We were 0-12 on the season and getting our asses handed to us once again. I looked at my wife, said "lets go home" and paid my tab and left. I've been a fan for 24 years now, and I just couldn't stand to see what had become of my team. I might have been in there every week cheering for the Dolphins (and I was), but I couldn't stick through it for the first time in my memory.

If that happened to me, if what the Dolphins have sunk to is enough to make a diehard fan like me decide to just go home and not watch the game, it's gotta be a lot worse for a lot more people out there. Certainly enough to make the front office decide that it would be the first team in some 20 years to draft another QB high one year after it drafted a QB high. It's not about fairness or making people feel good, it's about succeeding at all costs. That's why they drafted Henne, and that's why he'll eventually be the guy regardless of what we, the fans, think will happen.