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Avoid "Red Flags" in the First Round of the Draft.

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by ToddsPhins, Apr 23, 2011.

  1. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

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    :lol:
     
  2. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Better ask her about the Tooth Fairy and Santa Claus too while you got her on the line.
     
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  3. Ozzy

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    Who's been eating the cookies and milk I leave out?

    The tooth fairy is Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson! Everyone knoes this
     
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    You in Laos?
     
  5. NJFINSFAN1

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    Maybe you should read the post again, so I will ask it slow for you.

    Based on your thread you would not draft Marino in 1983 right????????


    When you answer you can go back and look for more easter eggs! ;)
     
  6. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Or Cambodia, or Burma, or Malaysia, or Indonesia, or Philippines, or Vietnam, or...????

    I may go to Nepal and commune with the Dahli Lama for a while.

    So, on my death bed, I'll achieve total consciousness. So I'd have that going for me, which would be nice. ;)
     
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  7. NJFINSFAN1

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    All that we are is the result of what we have thought. If a man speaks or acts with an evil thought, pain follows him. If a man speaks or acts with a pure thought, happiness follows him, like a shadow that never leaves him.
    Buddha

    ;)
     
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  8. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Buddha is a right on dude. Of all the world's organized religions, it's the one that makes the most sense to me.
     
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  9. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    Adrian Peterson wouldn't have been drafted.
     
  10. PhinPhanatic

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    I agree, certainly, that college talent is inferior to NFL talent. I thought you were saying Mallett played against inferior talent as opposed to other college players (QBs). In which case I would disagree as the SEC is as tough as it comes. However if you are saying that he played against inferior talent because he played against college talent, well everyone we are looking at played against "inferior" college talent as they are in college (actaully part of the inferior talent until drafted). Regarding his size, i dont see any 6'7" QBs who are successes. I dont see any that are failures. I dont see any at all. I do see that taller seems to be desireable and that makes sense to me. better vision capability and better lanes to throw. Sayin that he is too tall just because there isnt a qb that tall is equivalent to saying his ones arm is too strong. Both height and arm strengh are desireable traits in QBs and if one has more than anyone else in the NFL it doesnt mean that its a detriment! As for Arkansas being a top squad, admitedly I am not a college football expert by any means. I mentioned that he may not have some of the talent around him as some others because it seems that Arkansas (outside of the QB) had maybe the 3-4th best squad in the division behind, Auburn, Alabama, maybe Florida and who knows. I could be wrong....about all of it. Just my thoughts.
     
  11. ToddsPhins

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    and if I didn't, would we have won any fewer Super Bowls?
     
  12. ToddsPhins

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    you know that's not a 4 legged creature with humps right? Just sayin-- that's a long trip to get disappointed.
     
  13. ToddsPhins

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    I respect your opinion, which I always do; I just disagree with you on the height issue. IMO height is good to a certain point, and then it becomes a liability. We'll probably never see a 7 foot QB, so taller isn't necessarily better; however, taller to a degree is. Is 6'4 better than 5'8? Definitely. But at some point, the further you go beyond a certain height, the greater the liability becomes, just as the shorter you go from a certain height, the greater the liability it, too, becomes. So for me, it's about finding that height that seems to be the cut off. Based on NFL history, I'm putting it at 6'6, with anything beyond that becoming a liability.

    IMO finding a 6'7 QB who can play extremely well in the NFL is no different than finding a 5'9 one who can also.

    And, I'd speculate that there isn't a QB "that tall" in the league for a reason rather than pure coincidence. How many 6'10 point guards are there in the NBA?


    It's easy to get caught up in Arkansas seeming not as good as the other teams you mentioned in the SEC, so no worries. The offense was outstanding; the defense---- not so much.
     
  14. djphinfan

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    One of the reasons why I like CKap's upside so much is his height/athleticism ratio is Vince young like, with much better passing instincts, accuracy, leadership, intelligence and work ethic..
     
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  15. MrClean

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    Flacco is over 6'6 and Mallett is under 6'7, so they are less than an inch apart. I fail to see how whatever miniscule difference in height they are is going to have any bearing on whether or not Mallett can equal the success of Flacco.
     
  16. NJFINSFAN1

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    So again, no answers, just jokes.

    I see a pattern.
     
  17. rafael

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    Agreed. Usually change needs a catalyst. But most people lack the ability to self-evaluate honestly. Usually even those in crisis tend to blame others. I speak to many inmates as an investigator and the vast majority still blame others rather than look at themselves. There are a small percentage that use it as a catalyst for change. That's part of the reason that the recidivism rate is so high. Assuming that you agree that going to prison would qualify as a crisis, then my experience is that even in crisis most people don't change. Therefore, betting on anyone to change is a bad bet. It's just a worse bet if there is no catalyst.
     
  18. ToddsPhins

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    Flacco has proven to be one of the few players in NFL history to defy the odds.
     
  19. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

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    Your question was just as silly.... so why can I not return the favor?
     
  20. PhinPhanatic

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    Ok...he has yet to win a SB, but I just dont see how a 6-6 1/2" QB is vastly different than 6-6 or even 6-5. I am 6-4 for I have some idea and doesnt seem like it would be much different. 3+ inches maybe, 5+ yes. If one includes 6-5" QBs then there are quite a few. I dont hav the stats in front of me (and honestly dont have the time to look) but Big Ben and Payton maybe Rivers all have to be in that ball park with Flacco. Some of the best going now. Just dont see his height as a liability. His mobility maybe, although he seems to have presence and sidestep well. But I dont see how its stricly his height as there are many shorter that have poor mobility and some approx his height with good mobility.
     
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    Not to mention, although I am anyway, Shaub, Freeman, Young (yeah I know he blows) Newton etc. All 6-5" plus.
     
  22. ToddsPhins

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    I completely agree, it's a worse bet if there's no catalyst.


    I agree that few people are able to self evaluate; therefore for me, the key is being able to accurately read the person so that you can discern the swimmers from the sinkers. The swimmers might be few, but if you can identify them, then your organization, community, and fan base are in for a real gem.

    I treat "red flags" differently than the general public. In my experience, fewer people have a true ability to figure out if a person is truly a "red flag" or if they're a "non red flag" who has simply made a dumb or immature mistake which is out of character for them...... and since few can accurately and consistently make the distinction, people tend to group all of it under the "red flag" category even though that's not always the case. IMO reading into the soul of a person, their character and psyche, is no different than excelling at quantum physics, advanced math, actuary stuff, chemistry, genetics, etc. You're either born with a gift for it or you're not.

    IMO as many players have become great because they overcame some sort of adversity, so these are the kind of guys I look for if possible. I like to know that they've been tested and didn't collapse, which is something I don't think we can say about 50+% of the guys out there who aren't truly fulfilling their potential because of it. That's why I want Little in a bad way.
     
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  23. djphinfan

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  25. ToddsPhins

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    That's kind of like saying: I don't see how a 6'8 center is different from a 7 footer...... or how a 5'10 QB is different from a 6'1 QB.

    Long legs can cause problems. If you don't know what receiver you're throwing to and you have to reset your feet, it's more difficult for a 6'7 guy with incredibly long legs to do it than a 6'2 guy. The taller you get, the more you're asking from the body. Why do you think we don't see lots of 6'9 point guards? Longer legs taking longer time to adjust, square up to your target, step into your throw etc. It's harder for you hips to open up (or takes longer to do so).

    That's why the NFL has has a history if tall QBs not succeeding. The game is too fast at the NFL level IMO. Can you picture 6'1 Drew Brees compared to Mallett dropping back, taking a step to his left, looking through his progression, adjusting his legs so they're now squared up to his target in the flats, and then stepping into the throw? The longer legs by nature will take more time. A 6'7 Drew Brees will take longer to do this than 6'1 Brees because the time it takes for the feet to go from point A to point B is longer.

    If you're stepping into a throw, the stride is now longer, which means it takes longer (especially if you're not athletic or quick twitched).

    At 6'7, if your lead foot is facing directly down field at 12 oclock, and then it has to swing around so that it's now facing 3 oclock, that takes longer to get there because the foot has to travel further than that of a normal height QB.

    A 6'7 QB who's under pressure definitely has a tougher time getting his legs squared up to throw accurately b/c of time associated with his legs being longer.

    Think about it. take a 6'3 guy and have him stand with his feet shoulder width apart.... and measure that distance. Then take Mallett and have him do the same. The distance between Mallett's feet will be greater. The further the distance (with all things being equal), the longer it will take to get them into position, especially if your legs arent quick to begin with. Your arm is nothing without your feet or hips.

    This is why Newton will struggle as well. Flacco is an exception because he has great legs & feet that defy the rule.
     
  26. MrClean

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    Ain't no joke. Not much better than a fine azz sistah, although many of these Asian ladies can run them a close race.
     
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  28. adamprez2003

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    The ideal height of a QB is that he's the same height as his guards and center. You want him to be able to scan the field with no blind spots
     
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  29. Ozzy

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    That's why I date a Black n Asian!!
     
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  30. MrClean

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    Ozzy, you da man dude!! :up: :knucks:
     
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    Ditto:

    The love of my life

    [​IMG]
     
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  32. CaribPhin

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    It does seem like a nice car.
     
  33. MrClean

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    Is her Asian side, Filipina?
     
  34. Ozzy

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    Yes Sir!
     
  35. Ozzy

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    lol a car man ayy
     
  36. adamprez2003

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    how's tiger woods doing these days








    damn this joke wouldve worked alot better before you posted a pic



    you suck
     
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  37. MrClean

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    I always thought black and Filipina mixed very well together and what with our heavy military presence here till the early 90s, there were a lot of such marriages. I'd guess her dad is prior military, most likely Air Force or Navy. :)
     
  38. Ozzy

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    Well, I've herd that his x wife has a better golf swing!
     
  39. Ozzy

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    Yep, he was in the Army I do believe.
     
  40. ToddsPhins

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    Long time NFL scout, Greg Gabriel:
    nee ner nee ner. :tongue2:
     

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