So the domination continues, when its strait up football, we kick ***, were physical..The first quarter of this game was perfect except for one thing, a bad decision on 3rd and 6 to disrupt the incredibly hot Chad Henne..He continues to play excellent football thru the first quarter of the season..8 for 8 in the first quarter of this game, 1 td..and lookin cool as hell doing so, good demeanor..Wake is a freak and my early season favorite to win DPY.He does things no other player can do, Clay being the closest... I always like to judge the teams potential when its a big game and theres hype, I like to see how the players come out and beat their opponent, so far thru this part of the season they have done that. It gives me hope that the subtractions from this team will be very positive.. btw, Mequeefstain, Berger and Nito starting, playing well, but its obvious were purposely running on the perimeter.. Remember last week when I said Jason allen has balance issues when he was gettin beat and losin the game for us, he just did it again for a 50 yard gain..Subtraction equals positive..Holding call brought it back but the damage has been spotted.dude falls on his *** all the time. Henne comes out and short arms a throw in a qick curl, than throws a dumb pick on a deep slant, had hartline streaking down the middle of the field, It was a pure play action set up play, maybe that does really mess with him... VD is nasty..Jaworski says ''WHEW!! Vontae Davis is like a missle comin in there!! Wake and VD, explosive cornerstones.. No depth at dline in this game, we got tired midway thru the 2nd quarter, MCD, Odrick, Merling out for this game.. Sean Smith continues to give up plays to receivers, mostly in his new role of covering tight ends. ''Cam wake all over the football field wreaking havoc''..Jaworski mancrush.. We gotta get a gif of his celebration, the energy he puts into that is literally fatiging him... Damn it, the half is almost over, were completely owning the pats, offense defense, special teams, were driving, Henne is looking so good, him and Bess and Hart just tearin it up, comes out beautifully designed play, and has another WTF'er, both picks completely on him, besides those picks he's played 14 quarters of very solid if not better football at the position..That pick was in the red zone with all momentum in our favor.. maybe this is where he loses confidence.
Please dont....we just want to remember that good half of football. Sent from my PC36100 using Tapatalk
Oh, that pick was also off a hard play action fake. Of course they drive down the field with 2 and a half to go, we stop'em eventually with Carpenter, Dotson, Ryan baker, Dobbins playing the whole drive...Sean Smith playin safety on the drive as well.. TheY open the 2nd half with Tate housin it... OK, this is why we need to spend a higher draft pick on the returner position, 3rd round for me.. Let me ask ya'll a question, why do we play seriously competetive against who is considered one of the best teams in the league tough, all the time, yet still suck.?.. I do think being in the 3rd year we still haven't built our complete team, there are a handful pf players that should not be on the field, and wont be next year..I look forward to free agency when it starts, gottq get some good special teamers this year....Balance...which is somethin Mark Ingram would provide. Wallace and Moore not playing well on special teams. Speaking of special teams, the blocked punt after a 3 and out... so special teams lost this one.. we fired the guy soon right? Man!! is the game of football about whats above the neck of the players, energy output, coaching, and good special teams..Defense cant muster up the energy to top their opponent after such deflating circumstances, 20 yards up the gut for 6 the play after.. Henne bounces back from what looks like some confidence issues and makes 2 great plays, deep slant to Marshall, perfect, read the blitz and got it to ricky who housed it.. Game on..I totally forget what happens at this point?special teams again?..lol 4th game of the season we finally got some production from a back.. Crowd gets to its apex for the game and gets burned on a deep slant..they dont recover..Wake is spent in the third.. Gruden said that Parcells told him that their excited about Wallace..Jaws says hes impressive in practice..serious ups. Henne back to playing really well, last 2 drives impressive, 11/12 on the past 2 drives, man if it wasn't for those 2 picks. Marshall got hurt in this game, stretched his ankle pretty good..lost all his speed in the 3rd. Henne drove him down and on 2nd down Polite whiffed on a block and got Henne sacked deep.. not Hennes fault..down 27 to 14.. Holy sh$#..I completely forgot what happened in this game, the blocked field goal attempt returned for 6...lol, we gave them the triple banger on special teams.. well, no sense of goin anymore..but i'll say this, addition by subtraction..
dont you just love that! we have the best 3rd down converter in the NFL in that situation and we pull him for a WC that takes us out of FG position. Total BS. Henning is a f***ing idiot...... and Sparano is too for allowing that to happen after the previous weak. Right out of the gate, that play call really set the tone for the rest of the game. If Henne's allowed to throw the ball and converts (rather than that ridiculous conservative crap against Brady of all people) then we could be looking at a TD or at least a FG.
I began banging the ST needs changes drums right after the Jets loss Deej, the really depressing fact is Rizzi's unit was merely cow flop, Bonamigo's unit made his unit look better than it actually was in 2010, Rizzi imho should have been replaced as well this offseason.
This game was over 2 minutes into the 2nd half after allowing 14 pts from special teams crap. We cant play Brady and spot him 2 TDs. We were also out coached. Reference the 1st Henne INT where Gruden said NE has seen that play before and probably spent all week working on it.
I really like the core of our football team, we have some great players, really, we completely outplayed the patriots on offense and defense, we've done so all 4 games.. I am really trying to figure out what happens to henne, he had 2 unforced errors, {had nothing to do with Henning}, but I can attribute that to not a lot of exp..I have no gripes at this point, Hes been really accurate, stepping up in the pocket, and making very nice accurate passes. You take away those 2 picks and iam sure you would have a very high passer rating over the course of the first quarter of the season. I dont understand why this kid doesn't like the shotgun, hes always making good plays when hes in it.
Deej, how'd you like this quote: "Brown... had a couple of blockers, couldn't climb through that opening".
I'm moving onto the Packer game. I don't think Henne had good game vs NE. I don't think he had a bad game either...... and I definitely don't think he has a chance against Brady when our team is playing like crap and out coached as a whole. The team put him behind the 8 ball 2 minutes into the 2nd half, so it's hard to say exactly how he would've performed for 4 quarters. I don't know how many QBs in this league can keep their team in the game against NE when his special teams gives up 21 points. Peyton Manning maybe, but even that's iffy at best.
That outcoached angle is the great unsaid TP, I love the Penguin as our HC but also feel he maybe is too loyal to staff and does not anticipate what his staff does well, and what they do poorly, which is why Nolan had his impact as a fmr HC he knew what he needed to do with the talent he had to work with, the rest of Sparano's staff is maybe a bit too green to anticipate things the way Nolan could BEFORE they happened.
I cant believe I am about to do this..Todd, at 2 different points in the game Henne was 8 for 8, and 11 out of 12...lol. When you say you dont know how any qb's can compete with the disadvantages, your right , they couldn't of, up until game 5..lets see how it goes..as of right now I want him in camp competin..
Were they gun slinger, backs against the wall type passes or were they short quick timing route passes?
really nice arsenal Dup, basically continuation of last week, except the 2 brain farts, the guy played well the first 4 games of the season, whats weird is somethin goes bad real fast, because I remember saying, Henne needs to sit, hes a nervous wreck, I forget what week Chad gets the start, but I think its soon, however up until this point, He's nowhere near that point.. I wonder if this dude gets injured here soon.
I can't believe you just did that either. I want your opinion here Deej. So far, it seems to me (through 4 games) that when we're running ok during a drive (or on a few drives in a row), Henne looks good; we move the ball well; and we're putting ourselves in position to score. Unfortunately, it seems like we're doing that far to little, and there appears to be an awful lot of 1st downs that gain little to no yards on the ground; 2nd downs that are similarly ineffective; and if Henne throws an incompletion on 1st down, the ground game picks up little on 2nd down, forcing us into too many 3rd and longs. Ricky and Ronnie seem slow hitting holes and getting to the 2nd level, and LG seems like a sore thumb when Incognito barely beats the running back when he's pulling. When Richie's going uphill, he's like a friggin bull especially when he locks onto someone (although he's caught lunging occasionally), so I'm optimistic about him moving to Center full time if we draft Pouncey or Harvey Dahl in FA. With Long, Pouncey pulling, and Incognito mauling at Center, I think we could do some damage with an upgraded running back position. What are your honest thoughts about this after 4 games? so when are you watching game 5?
not yet, you have 2 good games in a row coming up. It sounds like we're talking about a character from a soap opera or something.
This is Miami's play by play in that game: First Drive: 1-10-MIA 20 (15:00) 7-C.Henne pass short right to 23-R.Brown ran ob at MIA 32 for 12 yards. 1-10-MIA 32 (14:35) 7-C.Henne pass short right to 82-B.Hartline to MIA 36 for 4 yards (32-D.McCourty, 50-R.Ninkovich). 2-6-MIA 36 (13:58) 23-R.Brown left guard to MIA 39 for 3 yards (51-J.Mayo). 3-3-MIA 39 (13:16) 7-C.Henne pass short middle to 80-A.Fasano to NE 40 for 21 yards (31-B.Meriweather). 1-10-NE 40 (12:45) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 7-C.Henne sacked at NE 45 for -5 yards (99-M.Wright). 2-15-NE 45 (12:13) 7-C.Henne pass short right to 23-R.Brown to NE 36 for 9 yards (51-J.Mayo). 3-6-NE 36 (11:28) (Shotgun) Direct snap to 23-R.Brown. 23-R.Brown up the middle to NE 38 for -2 yards (96-J.Cunningham). 4-8-NE 38 (11:07) (Punt formation) 2-B.Fields punts 27 yards to NE 11, Center-92-J.Denney. 83-W.Welker MUFFS catch, and recovers at NE 11. 83-W.Welker to NE 11 for no gain (29-T.Culver). Chad Henne 4 for 4, 46 yards, 1 sacks, -5 yards. Why use the wildcat in third and long? It is a short yardage/goal line formation. Second Drive: 1-10-MIA 36 (9:50) 7-C.Henne pass short left to 15-D.Bess to NE 43 for 21 yards (51-J.Mayo). 1-10-NE 43 (9:15) 34-R.Williams left end to NE 32 for 11 yards (51-J.Mayo). 1-10-NE 32 (8:34) 34-R.Williams left end ran ob at NE 26 for 6 yards. 2-4-NE 26 (8:09) 34-R.Williams left tackle to NE 21 for 5 yards (51-J.Mayo). Timeout #1 by MIA at 07:25. 1-10-NE 21 (7:25) 7-C.Henne pass short left to 34-R.Williams pushed ob at NE 14 for 7 yards (27-K.Arrington). 2-3-NE 14 (6:59) 23-R.Brown right tackle to NE 10 for 4 yards (32-D.McCourty). PENALTY on MIA-68-R.Incognito, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at NE 14 - No Play. 2-13-NE 24 (6:34) 23-R.Brown right tackle to NE 19 for 5 yards (55-B.Spikes). 3-8-NE 19 (5:56) 7-C.Henne pass short right to 15-D.Bess for 19 yards, TOUCHDOWN. Chad Henne on drive: 3 for 3, 47 yards, 1 TD Henne Game States: 7 for 7, 93 yards, 1 TD Drive Three: 1-10-MIA 33 (2:56) 7-C.Henne pass incomplete short right to 82-B.Hartline. 2-10-MIA 33 (2:52) 23-R.Brown up the middle to MIA 32 for -1 yards (75-V.Wilfork). 3-11-MIA 32 (2:12) 7-C.Henne pass short left to 15-D.Bess to MIA 45 for 13 yards (51-J.Mayo). 1-10-MIA 45 (1:32) 7-C.Henne pass deep right intended for 19-B.Marshall INTERCEPTED by 50-R.Ninkovich at NE 39. 50-R.Ninkovich to NE 40 for 1 yard (19-B.Marshall). Chad Henne: 1 for 3, 13 yards, 1 INT. This was the INT where he completely made a bad read and missed Rob Ninkovich in coverage. He should have checked down and hit Ricky in the flats. Game States: 8 for 10, 106 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT Drive Four: 1-10-MIA 21 (7:06) 7-C.Henne pass incomplete deep right to 82-B.Hartline (99-M.Wright). 2-10-MIA 21 (7:02) 23-R.Brown right tackle to MIA 25 for 4 yards (50-R.Ninkovich, 75-V.Wilfork). 3-6-MIA 25 (6:21) (Shotgun) 7-C.Henne pass short right to 15-D.Bess to MIA 39 for 14 yards (24-J.Wilhite). 1-10-MIA 39 (5:41) 15-D.Bess left end to MIA 36 for -3 yards (31-B.Meriweather). 2-13-MIA 36 (5:04) 23-R.Brown up the middle to MIA 39 for 3 yards (75-V.Wilfork). Timeout #2 by NE at 04:23. 3-10-MIA 39 (4:23) (Shotgun) 7-C.Henne pass incomplete deep right to 82-B.Hartline [91-M.Pryor]. PENALTY on NE-32-D.McCourty, Defensive Pass Interference, 16 yards, enforced at MIA 39 - No Play. 1-10-NE 45 (4:16) PENALTY on MIA-79-P.McQuistan, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at NE 45 - No Play. 1-15- (4:16) 7-C.Henne pass short middle to 15-D.Bess to NE 43 for 7 yards (59-G.Guyton). 2-8-NE 43 (3:37) 34-R.Williams right tackle to NE 27 for 16 yards (27-K.Arrington). 1-10-NE 27 (2:55) 7-C.Henne pass short right intended for 38-P.Cobbs INTERCEPTED by 50-R.Ninkovich at NE 25. 50-R.Ninkovich to NE 25 for no gain (38-P.Cobbs). This drive was going good. Henne was 2 for 3 with 21 yards and the running game was working well. Then, Chad does it again. He simply makes a bad read. The interception play was another play action pass. Miami split Patrick Cobbs out to the bottom of the formation with what looks like Brandon Marshall in the slot. Cobbs runs a hitch at about 5 yards or so. Marshall takes an inside stem and presses vertically. TE is running a deep cross from the top of the formation. New England looks to be in a cover three here with the linebacker showing man but covering flats. TE pulls the MIKE backer on his drop with him. Bottom side corner drops deep to take outside third. Both safeties are taking deep thirds, but it looks like Marshall does have a small opening to catch the ball in between the safeties. Henne choses the hitch man and the backer jumps the route. Henne was fooled by the coverage again. So now we are at 10 for 14 for 127 yards, 1 TD, and 2 INTs, and the 2 INTs have completely defeated his otherwise efficient passing day. That is the first half. The game could have been and should have at least 14-0 Miami with a chance to be 17-0 or even 21-0 at half time. Henne's interceptions only gave New England 3 points, but it cost Miami potentially 14. Henne's third interception after the special teams breakdown I can't put totally on him. The play was doomed from the beginning. He should have just thrown the ball away, so that much I can put on him. However, for the coverage that New England showed, it was just poor play design with Marshall running a shallow cross with Bess running an out pattern on the same side. Looks like NE was in a cover 2 there. Marshall didn't run his route though. He stopped. I don't know if he thought there was a blitz or what, but Henne shouldn't have thrown that ball. If he tries to get the ball to Bess, the safety was jumping that route. He might have had a chance to get it in there with his arm, but the safety had jumped the route when Bess broke. The TE was covered, and I'm not sure what route Ronnie was running on the other side.
Honestly, we have outplayed all four teams from an offensive and defensive perspective, been the more physical team, with Henne outplaying all four QB's hes faced..Unacceptable special teams play, 4 inappropriate wildcat plays on 3rd and 6, below average running back production, and not getting enough possessions it seems is why we have 2 losses.. I think we have to go all out with skill position players in the draft, plus an explosive returner, and go oline thru free agency. If we can correct these things, were gonna be so much better, the balance that a mark Ingram would provide for the defense would make them even more dominant, the positions that return yardage could do for the offense, and how the defense longs to work on a short field with some momentum, would shock folks.. What I have found thru these first 4 games is, were not far off, our identity is defense, and we need to protect it, and balance this team out for it, to put it in better position to flex. I dont know how Henne plays 2 more good games and gets benched so quickly after game 6.. by the tape that doesn't seem possible..Ive got to watch that cosely considering I was calling for the benching. Did these few weak dynamics and questionable coaching manipulate my opinion on projecting the QB accurately?..Thats my mission to find out.
I like your idea of going skill players in the draft and nailing Oline in FA. To be honest, something as simple as Mark Ingram and Harvey Dahl would make a huge difference IMO. Ingram, Little, Virgil Green, and Dahl would be a nice boost (if we're using your Ingram at #1 idea). Too bad we haven't brought in Little for a workout, so we probably need to get that thought out of our head to prevent excess draft day disappointment from kicking in. lol. I thought one aspect of the benching was to see how much Henning was part of the problem.
Food for thought: first 4 games--- we had the worst starting field position in the league. That won't help an offense. lol.
Prepare to wonder some more dj. Henne goes in, and has a solid game against a stout Pitt D. He then goes and has a good enough game to win against Cinci. The Baltimore fiasco....well, we all were there. We ran the ball 17 times according to NFL.com and 6 of those were from Henne. The thing is, up until this point, he has NOT had a bad season. He gets benched after Balt though. After Pennington gets injured, Henne comes in and throws the ball all around the field for 68% completion, 240 yards 1TD 1 INT. He gets rocked and Thigpen comes in and ends the game on his second drive after a near INT on his first. Henne misses the Bears fiasco where I'm pretty sure we never crossed midfield. THEN Henne goes out and tears up Oakland for 307 yards, 2TD's and 1INT. Cleveland....we know what happened. But look, up until this point, he has not had a stretch of bad play. Then comes NYJ where he had a poor showing stats-wise but threw the TD we needed to win and didn't throw an INT against the stout Jets D. For some reason, fans fault him in this game even though it was a win. I'll never understand Dolphin fans. HK said it best when I was talking about what if he threw 4,000 yards and 25 TD's next year. Fans would probably hate him for costing us Andrew Luck. Back to Buff, THIS game, good lord. Henne was hot as hell. He was throwing up and down the field ALL DAY. 73.3% completion, 276 yards 1TD and 1INT. This is the game where Carpenter missed 5 field goals. It was also the game where Henne would drive 50-60 yards and be taken out for the Wildcat. This was IMO the WORST coached game of the season. We had a hot QB all day and only mustered 14 points which can be closely correlated to play calling. Next is Detroit. The first half was a masterpiece by Henne. He made every throw in the book. It was beautiful. He even had a lucky play with Bess for the TD. I just don't understand why Bess is called in the endzone on a jump ball in the corner but hey, it worked. For the game, Henne had 66% completion, 278 yards 1TD and 2INT's. If I'm not mistaken, this is the game where Bess fell down in the middle of the field and Mickey Shuler, who had no business on a professional NFL team, stopped running his route, accounting for both INT's. The Bess throw was when he was bracketed but it most likely would have been a catch or incomplete pass if he stayed up. Him falling is what gave the defender position if I'm not mistaken. Then there's NE when everyone played like ****. All of this is from memory and glancing at the stats on NFL.com. If I'm wrong anywhere in this, please tell me.
I quoted your whole post simply because it is Chad Henne in a nutshell, he can play well but he is inconsistent and prone to making boneheaded decisions. Is that a lack of talent, lack of running game to support him (ala Sanchez) or is Henne just suffering the young Qb learning curve blues? More disconcerting, are fans just not willing to give him time to find himself as a starting nfl qb?
Contrary to popular belief, Henne's best game was the Detroit one. That was an IMPRESSIVE game. Anyways, the problem that arises is that our coaches our control freaks and want as little turnovers as possible. They are OBSESSED with winning the turnover battle. What they tried to do was mold a rocket arm gunslinger into a Chad Pennington caretaker but who also takes several deep shorts per game. A QB who can make every single throw possible all over the field and laser the ball in, but is extremely careful with the ball and limits the turnovers. As we all saw, thats completely idiotic to do with Henne. The dude is gunslinger, he thrives when he can get multiple options in routes and throw around the field. You have to live with his INTS, but you will get rewarded with some pretty amazing throws. A perfect example is the New England game last year where he brought us back. He was throwing all over the field, but also threw an INT. If Henne was in the Jets system, he would be pretty damn amazing right now with their coaches able to live with mistakes from their young QB. Our coaches cannot live with mistakes. I quote the great Dan Henning on this one:
I really think if we can get a TE about as good as Moeaki/Miller or a secondary TE as good as Hernandez, a WR of Jacoby Ford's talent to catch and return, and a running game about as good as the Jets or Jaguars (YPG), we can make the playoffs and make noise there. People think I want us to go out and get all star talent, that's not what I'm advocating. If we can get those areas fixed and the D catches more of those gimme INT's, we're a contender with Henne. With the problems we had, including the Cleveland, Bears and Ravens games, we weren't out of playoff contention until the Detroit game. I think if Daboll comes in and is better, and we boost the supporting cast, we can be D-E-A-D-L-Y.
This is the kid's last year. Let him sink or swim. Put a good enough supporting cast around him and if he sucks, pull him for a vet or drafted player. If they don't let him sling it, we have no chance. He played fast in college and he DEFINITELY played fast in 2009. [video=youtube;TERnwoqnmLk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TERnwoqnmLk[/video] This kid plays fast. He really does. It's natural for him. If you watch his 2010 season, he has slowed down tremendously. I can ponder if it was drilled into him by the coaches, but who knows.
coincides right along with being the worst scoring offense in the league..damning statistic, the new rule will give us an advantage by bringing the crowd in front of us back some..another reason why its a must to find the best returner available.
going into game five I cannot tell you your wrong, I have somewhat brainwashed my mind to not remembering how he played.. I once raised the question, how does one QB with one particular skillset, teach another, {who has a completely different one}, how to play the game,? I mean I get it, but you kinow what iam sayin?
I understand completely. Aaron Rodgers mimics Brett Favre a lot in his willingness to sling the ball and his ability and presence to run around in the pocket. Philip Rivers mimics Drew Brees as well. Both of them have lofty, arching passes and take advantage of having 6'2''+ receivers. Those are probably the best examples of QB to QB transitions in which they are similar products. We went from a slow, in the pocket, weak armed QB to a qucik twitch kid with a rocket arm who has shown the tendency to just throw that ball around. Whatever Pennington taught him, was what Pennington thought was the key to success. I can understand why there'd be some problems there.
I dont have a lot of conviction when it comes to Pennington being a bad influence on another QB, I am sure that he found lines to communicate, but there is an interesting dynamic there mentally that is grey.. Coach you out there?
Still have to wonder how Henne's knee injury effected his performance as in those passes that sailed 10 yds over the Wr's heads and out of bounds were somewhat a product of a bulky knee?
rationally, at this point, from what hes looked like the first quarter of the season, thats something that makes sense..
The bounce passes and overthrows were large part due to his inability to trust his interior o-line. He had a bad knee injury and wasn't able to step into his throws and use his weight transfer to direct the ball. His inability to be confident with his interior line was the biggest reason for his softer passes and inaccurate throws.
Which if true does not look good for this Regime as they bet the farm on Pennington being the #2 Qb/Mentor and he lasted all of...2 minutes..leaving Thigpen who is the antithesis of "Sparano" ball control style of Qb, how are you going to have a injury prone back up (who underwent ACL surgery on top of shoulder surgery this offseason) and a Qb whose style does not mesh with what they have designed the offense around? That is Sparano/Parcells inflexibility at it's worst, they like "their" guys and miss the forest for the trees sometimes..like the poor ST play AFTER Bonamego was fired.
