So...you wanna be the Dolphins GM, huh?

wrong context Mark.

 

Whomever is drafting with the 3rd pick of the 4th round will probably try to pick Noel up............... in free agency.



Cedric Peerman is a better NFL back, was projected in the 3rd-4th round, and wasn't drafted till the 6th..... and he ran a 4.34 at 216 lbs with a 1.4 10 yard split while playing well in the Senior Bowl. Good luck Devine. lol.

By the way, I'd still love to steal him from Cincy..... unless he's now somewhere else.

 

With those 14 players off the board you nailed it with Mallett, Ingram, and Pouncey being the BPA at a position of need for us. Here's a wild card for you: Ryan Kerrigan. Is he this year's Clay Matthews?

The thing I keep going back to with Ingram and Pouncey is the fact that RB and OG aren't core positions and Ireland has yet to draft anything but a core position in the 1st or 2nd round.

QB is a core position and definitely a need for us. So Mallett makes a lot of sense if he's still on the board. However if his off-the-field issues check out I wonder if he will make it past the 49ers, Titans, Redskins, or Vikings.

If Mallett is gone and we cannot trade down I believe Ireland will draft Ryan Kerrigan.

 

A good player for a 4/3, but imo not so much for a 3/4. He has a high motor and a good rush, but is not a guy that looks good or comfortable in space.

 

It may be Brooks Reed over Kerrigan.

 

That's a pretty odd comparison.

Forget about his success at WVU...some team will take a chance on a back that posted 26 reps on the bench, to go along with his 4.26 pro day 40. Now factor in him having a good career at West Virginia and him having solid senior bowl practices. I just don't see how he won't be taken in the first 5 rounds. Even with his ankle injury.

 

I can understand where you're coming from. However, if a 4.34 guy at 216 lbs (with talent) who can take a greater beating in the NFL can fall to the 6th round, I can see where a limited role player falls to the 7th.... or even out of the draft completely.

His success in the return game will be somewhat limited because of the kickoff change, and it's difficult to project him as an "dangerous" NFL return man when he's not elite by college standards (34 KO returns with a long of 48). His hands aren't proven. You can't ask him to block. He's a tiny target in the passing game, and the risk of injury goes up as the players are now bigger and more physical. Unless I'm missing something, he's the type of guy you almost need to design specific plays for or can only play during certain times of the game when the circumstance allows it.

 

I've read Devine bench presses 450 lbs., but 4.26 forty is Chris Johnson type speed. I'd be amazed if he slipped past the third round.

He would give us speed at a position that is classic for instant production. He would be our return guy. The only knock would be if he has alligator arms.

This draft sucks for speed, it's a nasty meth whore that needs to be stopped...

 

Padre......wait for it...wait for it....ughghhhhhhhh.....ughhhhughuhhhhhhhh....

Ok...iam ok now...

All kidding aside, I hope our bro is ok man...he always responds to my P.M's....nothing in over a month..

 

It says N/A as his last visit........ very weird.

 

I voted for trading down, but Pouncey would've been my 1st choice w/o a trade back....... unless DaQuan Bowers for some crazy reason slips through.

 

Personally, I think Mallett is a horrible risk. I see his upside as no better than Cutler and his downside as Leaf. I see his most probable outcome as Druckenmiller. I would prefer a trade down that netted Ingram or Pouncey.

 

I'd love to trade down and pick up the 2nd I'm missing, but the stark fact is: trading down is for teams that already have their franchise Quarterback.

If my research shows that Ryan Mallet has better than an even shot at being a successful NFL QB, then I take the QB. It's that simple, and I'd thank my lucky stars to have a shot at a guy like Mallet with the 15th pick.

NO POSITION is as important to winning championships as Quarterback—NONE.

If the recent discussion about Parcells' choice of Jake Long over Matt Ryan illustrates anything, it's that one overriding fact. So much so that even the choice of a perennial All-Pro at what is arguably the second-highest-value position—Left Tackle—doesn't serve to mitigate second-guessing as a result.

The Long vs. Ryan argument has been made and I don't want to rehash it here; I'll just say that I've always been a strong believer in a great Offensive Line, but a point made in another thread brings to light that the last few Super Bowl winners have had lines ranging from okay to good...none of them "great."

The one thing all of those teams have is a franchise Quarterback.

You CANNOT overemphasize the importance of the position to winning championships; it's impossible to overstate. And, that being the case, if Mallet has the tools and you're lucky enough to have him fall to you at 15—which, frankly, I really don't believe will happen—then you take him.

Don't worry about 15 being "too high" for Mallett; if he turns out to be the man, that'll be a moot point in about 6-8 months. And if he busts, well then 15 will be the same as 35, or 55—a bust at QB is a high-profile bust.

But at least you rolled the dice on the most important position, not on a Defensive Back who could never find a position, nor an undersized, chickenhearted little Wide Receiver.

 

This is glaringly true. Chad Henne busting from the 57th overall pick is just as harmful as Chad Henne busting from the 1st overall pick, the only difference being that we had the cap room to throw bad money at Jake Grove and Ernest Wilford.

 

While taking the right guy over rides picking him too early, over drafting players usually just means you paid too much for a guy who wasn't that good.

 

I think with Mallett, we either think "he's our guy, if he is there at 15 we are taking" or you think "after all the time we spent with him, we just don't think he is the right guy," in which case you attempt a trade down barring some miracle falling player being there at 15. After the trade down, you look at a Pouncey or LeShoure/Ingram. I don't think Mallett can be your guy "to a point" as you said. He either is, or isn't, and moving down 4 slots is not changing that fact. As for taking Stanzi or Yates .... bleh. There are reasons these guys are third rounders - they are second tier players. Mallett is physically a first tier QB, with character concerns that it seems our front office is very keen on getting to the bottom of.

Bottom line, if Mallett is your guy, you take him and 15 and remember he will be throwing to Brandon Freaking Marshall who we got for that second round pick. Add DJ Williams in round 3, Roy Helu in round 4 and voila, our 2011 Miami Offense.

 

Let's start by saying that I don't believe for a second that Mallet will fall to 15; there are no fewer than 15 other teams going into this draft looking for their franchise QB; almost all pick ahead of us, and even if by some miracle those teams pass on Mallet, if we trade down there is ZERO chance in my estimation that Mallet makes it to our next pick. Even if it's only a few slots down.

Now, if you have done all your research and concluded that Mallet is not going to be a successful NFL QB, then you don't take him at all—15, 35 or 85. After all, a bust is a bust—why waste a pick on a bust if that's what you think he'll be?

But I don't see how you look at Ryan Mallet and say he doesn't have a chance to be a successful NFL QB. A judgment like that is akin to Wannstedt asking what Trent Green could do that Jay Fiedler couldn't ten years ago; it says more about your ability as an NFL GM to judge QB talent than about Mallett.

And if he does have the talent—THEN YOU TAKE HIM WHEN YOU CAN GET HIM.

Because if you don't, someone else will; the Jags at 16, the Chiefs at 21, the 'Hawks at 25. Or the Colts at 22?! Someone has to start getting ready behind Manning.

The Patriots have two picks after us, the 17th and 28th; would it surprise you to see Belichick take Mallet with one of those picks? Because it wouldn't surprise me a bit. Belichick would either parlay that pick into more picks down the line, or he'd trade Brady after a year or two for more picks. In any case, with two picks to play with between 17 and 28, that's exactly what could happen.

But the real concern isn't after 15, where the Chargers, Giants, Bucs, Colts, Eagles, Ravens, Falcons, Jets, Steelers and Packers all have young franchise guys, and the Pats, Colts, Bears and Saints have established veterans; it's ahead of us, where any one of fourteen teams could be looking for their franchise guy.

Bottom line: if you're somehow lucky enough to get a shot at Mallet with the 15th pick, you take him. But I seriously doubt he'll make it to us there.

 

If Mallett makes it to #15 I believe we could trade down as far as #24 and still get him.

16 JAGS - Garrard
17 PATS - Brady
18 CHARGERS - Rivers
19 GIANTS - Manning
20 BUCS - Freeman
21 CHIEFS - Cassel
22 COLTS - Manning
23 - EAGLES - Vick
24 SAINTS - Brees

None of those teams are drafting a QB in the 1st round. I would bet good money on it. My concern would be a team trading up from the 2nd round, but if we pulled off a trade with the Saints, picked up their 2nd, and still got Mallett, that would be my dream draft. (We would probably have to give them our 1st and 6th for their 1st and 2nd.)

Potential players that the Saints might trade up for: Ryan Kerrigan, Anthony Castonzo, Gabe Carimi, or Nate Solder.

Of course Mallett has to make it past the 49ers, Titans, Redskins, and Vikings in order for my dream to come true.

 

Here's the bottom line - if you think Mallett is a franchise QB you DO NOT trade down and chance another team making a move. You take your guy and understand that if he turns into an elite QB he will be more than worth not trading back to pick up a lower round pick.

Damn, half of us vilify Parcells for passing on Matt Ryan for possibly the greatest LT in the game right now. Can imagine the furor if we traded back a few spots only to see the Jags take Mallett, or to see Buffalo or someone trade up ahead of us to take him and then watch him have a Bradford type season?

We passed on one franchise QB in Ryan and are still suffering the effects. Thank god the guy we got instead is actually amazing. But to pass on 2 potential franchise QBs? We cannot in any way shape or form do that.

 

To be clear: If Mallett is still on the board at #15 I would not trade down. I would pull the trigger. Mainly because I would be too afraid of another team trading up ahead of us and taking him. However if we did trade down and we still got Mallett I would be ecstatic.

 

So, of course, we know what Ireland will do if Mallett is there...
























...draft another 3-4 DE.

Or another SS-type to play FS.

 

3-4 OLB. Aldon Smith.

 

If Iam the gm, I know that I have built a top 5 defense with my previous drafts, so I pat myself on the back and I go full offense besides maybe 1 pick, and never look back, I earned it, and my defense deserves to be kept off the field so they can dominate, so my draft will reflect that concept..The other reason why Iam going all offense....Our utterly pathetic offense, I cant do that to my defense again, so I will exhaust my resources to create some balance for my team.

 

can you say edit.