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Official WWE/TNA Wrestling Thread

Discussion in 'Other Sports Forum' started by alen1, Mar 25, 2008.

  1. TheAnswer385

    TheAnswer385 Stay Low Run Free

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    Im just giving you a hard time.

    It would be nice to see a hogan type of run where he would only wrestle for the most part on ppv.
     
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  2. SICK

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    Id like to see him bring back the nation of domination................but thats just me :shifty:
     
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  3. Ray Finkle

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    It's all good, I really didn't think The Rock would ever wrestle again. Besides from him saying in numerous interviews in the past that he wouldn't ever do it, financially it doesn't make sense either, I mean he makes 7 to 8 figures per movie, he could probably make 7 figures a year wrestling between mech sales, part of the gate and actually wrestling but he'd lose a lot financially and also he'd be out on the road getting his body beaten each night. He's a very smart guy, he has fall back options where guys like Flair, Hogan, Foley etc don't.

    If he did comeback it would be a one shot deal or to wrestle at a PPV here and there. I can't see him going on the road and being at every RAW each week etc. I don't think there's anyway he'd be a full timer again.
     
  4. muscle979

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    He'll never be a full timer for all the reasons you mentioned but it definitely seems like he wants to stay involved. When he said he was never leaving again during his first appearance it seemed to indicate that he was not just doing a few promos for WM and then riding back off into the sunset. I can see him making occassional RAW appearances and wrestling select pay per views. He probably won't hold a title again but who knows. That way he can jump in and out when he needs to, to make a movie or whatever.

    I wouldn't be shocked to see a Cena/Rock SummerSlam match which I think somebody else suggested earlier in the thread.

    After hearing the reviews I'm glad I decided not to fork over the money for the show last night. I would have enjoyed seeing HHH/Taker and whatever the Rock was involved in though.
     
  5. Ray Finkle

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    The Rock is promising a special announcement tonight, he's suppose to be at RAW tonight in person, so that should be interesting.
     
  6. Ray Finkle

    Ray Finkle Member

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    By the way did anyone hear about the Twitter war of worlds between Kurt Angle and Randy Orton? Angle complained that Orton, Lawler, Michael Cole and Jack Swagger used his finish moves last night and Orton ripped Angle asking him about Ken Shamrock, Angle then said his Twitter got hacked and CM Punk responded with this: "my twitter account was hacked, is the new: ‘I’m a sloppy drunk douche’."

    CM Punk is awesome. Enough said.
     
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  7. TheAnswer385

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    the one year build begins
     
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  8. unluckyluciano

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    *checks ray finkles twitter to see his drunken, douchey rants about kane*
     
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  9. Jt0323

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    WWE needs to be careful cena does not suffer a serious injury...btw expect wrestlemania tickets to sell like hot xakes

    Sent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk
     
  10. unluckyluciano

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    nooooooooooooooo not hot xakes!!!
     
  11. Ray Finkle

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    Well played but I don't twitter about Kane. I send messages to Howard Finkle (although he spells it Finkel) asking him if he has a long lost son that has doesn't know about named Ray.

    I was actually thinking that myself. What would happen if Cena got hurt (and let's face it he has had some injury history and just wrestling each night there's an increased risk) but I bet from December on they really limit Cena's in ring work and I wouldn't be shocked to see him taken off house shows. I'd guess they would probably hot shot The Rock to face Triple H or The Undertaker in the event Cena can't wrestle. Or maybe do Rock/Stone Cold Round 4 if Austin is up to it.

    The other question now is Cena is pretty much eliminated from the Royal Rumble match or holding the WWE title unless they want to make the main event at WM a non title match.

    By the way the question of if The Rock would stick around, I'd say he's going to disappear until Jan/Feb of next year. It wouldn't make sense from him to appear and it would be hard from them to keep him away from Cena if he's back even once a month or so. Plus they're going to want to keep him out of the ring, the Cena/Rock match losses some interest if The Rock is wrestling matches. Part of the appeal is The Rock being away from the ring for so long.
     
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  12. Ray Finkle

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    Anyone else watch Tough Enough last night? I always enjoyed the original series on MTV with Al Snow as the head trainer but hated the ones they did on Smackdown for a few minutes each week. Anyway I did like the episode last night, I thought it was good although didn't really spend a lot of time showing the kids training (which I hope will change). The best part is when Stone Cold (who's the head trainer along with Booker T, Trish Stratus and Bill DeMotte aka Hugh Morris) asked one of the girls up for elimination what her favorite match was and she told him that it was Melina vs. Alicia Fox. The look on Austin's face was priceless as was his response. Anyway I recommend anyone to check it out, it goes on the USA network at 8 on Mondays right before RAW.
     
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  13. BlameItOnTheHenne

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    I watched it as well. I was dying laughing when she said Melina-Alicia Fox. But it wasn't too surprising.

    Watching Trish weekly isn't too shabby either.
     
  14. Jt0323

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    Yeah I see the Rock off tv until next year. He wont wrestle until WM because thats going to be a huge selling point Rocks first match in 7 years... I do think it will be main event, and i do think this means Cena won't be champ anytime soon. I also expect this to be the main event, which makes me wonder, if WM28 is indeed takers last match, 20-0. I would think if it was the undertakers last WM they would have him be the main event and have him have his swan song so to speak. Should be interesting how they continue these story lines...
     
  15. muscle979

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    This seems way too far out to start promoting a match, even one with the Rock in it. You kind of had a feeling it might be Wrestlemania though since it's in Miami. Will they put the Rock over since it's his hometown or will the normal trend of the vet putting over the younger guy continue?
     
  16. BlameItOnTheHenne

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    I think it will be a passing of the torch type of thing, unfortunately...
     
  17. Jt0323

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    Yeah, no way Rock wins the match.
     
  18. alen1

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    You never know what can happen....in a year.
     
  19. Jt0323

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    thats what worries me...
     
  20. TheAnswer385

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    What is all this Vince re-branding the company business? What is he trying to accomplish, a variety show?
     
  21. Samphin

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    It's no secret that he has always wanted to branch out and become something beyond just a "wrestling show." The crappy thing about that though is that the message the biggest man in the business is sending is that he doesn't want to be in it. It leaves a very bad taste in my mouth and I am sure many, many others.

    Everything else he has ever tried has failed miserably. He deserves to see his empire crumble because of this, but even he can't be arrogant enough to think he can completely deviate from wrestling and be successful. And sadly, the Raw/Smackdown brand sare almost self sustaining at this point. I just hate this sense of "paying dues" and Tough Enoughs and NXT's. Quit hazing the young "wrestlers" for **** they don't know (or better yet, probably know but are told they don't) when your own company wants nothing to do with wrestling.
     
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  22. Thunderbolt89

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    I think what we are witnessing is the results of WWE having no competition on the level of WCW. Sure there is TNA, but they are not on the level yet to pose any kind of threat to WWE. Somewhere along the line, they lost sight over what the fans want and watch for, wrestling.
     
  23. muscle979

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    What exactly are you talking about here? Did Vince say he wanted to change the format for Raw and their other shows?
     
  24. TheAnswer385

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    I got that from wrestlezone.com
     
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  25. Samphin

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    Raw and Smackdown! already are variety shows. From the silly skits, to the little bit of wrestling they still do, and being an in house hype machine for their other projects (movies, TV Shows, etc.), they have become a variety show that involves wrestling. I dread the day that Vince opens his own music label and we have to suffer through their "talent" performing on the shows.
     
  26. Ray Finkle

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    Well besides all the WWE CDs with entrance music already out there, Cena had his own CD, The Rock sung a song for one of the WWE Entrance music CDs, they released a Jillian Hall single on iTunes. Vince has already dipped into the music world and you can bet a music label is the next logical step.

    I wouldn't care what else the WWE did/does as long as the wrestling product is good but it hasn't been good for close to 10 years now. It never recovered for an extended period of time since 2001. You can blame the writers, no WCW, the talent, UFC, fans leaving, etc and while I'm sure its a mix of all it's clear that the McMahon don't care how good or bad the product is and it's all about making money for them and the stock holders now. History does show that whenever Vince expands from wrestling the product stinks (WBF in 1993, XFL in 2002). The WWE itself won't ever go away because it's the only game in town and unfortunately they have no one else around to threaten them to go back to just wrestling.
     
  27. Ray Finkle

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    Wow that Edge interview was just good TV. No wonder why Edge ended up winning at WM this year. Hopefully Edge sticks around as either an announcer or manager or even GM.

    I thought Tough Enough was very good again tonight, really enjoying it.
     
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  28. BlameItOnTheHenne

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    Miz on commentary has been very good tonight.
     
  29. Vengeful Odin

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    Everything I'm reading points to Edge's retirement as a full-time roster.

    WWE has their work cut out for them. HBK is gone, HHH is basically gone, Taker is a special attraction at this point only, and now Edge. They still have Cena but he's been stale for going on 3 years.

    On the bright side, maybe this will force them to get creative. Though, with the sudden focus on "Entertainment," I'm worried Vince and company are spreading themselves too thin.
     
  30. GridIronKing34

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    They can bring Booker T back to the ring then... FIVE TIME!

    On another note, I like R-Truth getting a push... Probably one of the few...
     
  31. Samphin

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    Edge retiring came as somewhat of a surprise given the injury excuse. He has been telling people for awhile in interviews that his days wer enumbered, but he never cited a specific injury, more of the "gotta get out while I can still do other things and not end up crippled," line. Which is perfectly reasonable, by the way. It sounds like he was in worse shape than previously thought.

    I did this for a little over two years and I have issues today. He has been doing this for close to 20...his body has got to be killing him and will get even worse going forward.

    Edge aside, I wonder what happens with the World Title. I love me a tournament, but I assume a Christian/Del Rio match will end up being the winner.

    As for the rest of Raw, I thought the Gauntlet Match was pretty cool. Somethign different at least and we some some newer faces towards the top.

    I didn't care for the Corre/Apple stuff, although I did chuckle slightly when Santino first came out. I just cringe at seeing Bryan and Bourne locked up with Santino.

    Not that they will, but WWE has quite a few guy to put together a nice cruiserweight division again. Bryan, Bourne, Gabriel, Sin Cara (who was great up until he fell off the rope), Primo, Chavo, Kidd, and Tatsu. You could always throw Misterio back in to help raise the division a tad to start. It will never happen but it would be great. I would love to see them merge the U.S. and IC titles and then eventually do the same with the World titles, but I know it won't happen.

    Also, The supposed heat on John Morrison for his treatment of Trish Stratus seems overhyped at this time.
     
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  32. TheAnswer385

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    How about the Awesome Kong promo? I thought it was kinda cool with the flicking the head off the doll.
     
  33. Ray Finkle

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    Morrison is in the doghouse yet again because of his comments about Trish not deserving the WM spot over his girlfriend Melina. R-Truth is now getting his push.
     
  34. Samphin

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    I really don't think Morrison is in that much trouble. I also don't think that Truth took his "spot" considering that JoMo wasn't really in the main event scene prior to the incident. Morrison's issues are plenty, and the drama he is constantly around, combined with his inability to speak well on the mic or connect with the audience in a tangible way is what is holding him back more than a slight blow off at WM of Trish Stratus.
     
  35. Ray Finkle

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    Considering R-Truth couldn't even get into a match at WM and a Miz/Morrison feud seemed like the natural next step for Miz instead of the same old Miz/Cena or Miz/Orton matches not sure how you can say that R-Truth didn't take Morrison's spot. Truth getting the push (while I'm happy he's getting to rub elbows with the bigger boys) is a little out of left field, you talk about Morrison not being in the main event scene but what exactly has Truth been doing for the past few months? I definitely think the WWE is sending Morrison a message to keep his opinions to himself, especially when he hasn't earned the right to speak up.

    As for Morrison's inability to speak well on the mic or connect with the audience in a tangible way is what is holding him back, it doesn't stop the WWE from pushing guys like Shameus or Kane recently. At least Morrison has the look and can back it up in the ring. The guy needs to be a heel and take some acting lessons.
     
  36. Samphin

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    Truth gets these types of pushes randomly about every six months or so. Storyline wise, he is pretty much Cena's only friend and the WWE can rely on him being a veteran who conducts himself properly, puts on solid matches and pops a crowd consistently.

    Morrison has about a third of that. Morrison feuding with Miz was only happening in your mind I think Finkle. WWE has dabbled with that pairing quite a few times without ever fully pulling the trigger. And my guess is that they don't trust Morrison to hold his own in a money feud. Clearly they buy into Miz considering everything he has accomplished as champ. The issue is and has always been Morrison...for a myriad of reasons.

    As for Kane and Sheamus, I think you might just be flat out wrong. At least about one of them. Kane drew heat from crowds for years and actually did quite well as a face for awhile too. While I wouldn't be upset to see Kane move out of being an active wrestler at this point, he was, for a very long time, the most talented big man or close to it. And big men who can move, talk, and perform in the manner he could, will hold a job for a very long time.

    Sheamus may not draw as much as the WWE would like right now, but again, he has a few things going for him. First off, he is very good friends with HHH, and that doesn't hurt. Second, he has the look. Vince has been rumored to sour on Morrison in some part because he doesn't feel that Morrison can kick anyone's *** in a fight, or at least doesn't look like he can. Sheamus looks legit tough and his unique look, combined with his powerful friends (and being a very good talent in the ring and solid on the mic) makes his standing pretty justified in most people's eyes.

    Having said all of that, Morrison is a talent and a guy I typically look forward to seeing. But he is really nothing more than Shelton Benjamin at this point. And as much as I LOVE watching Shelton wrestle, he could never get to the next level and was eventually let go because everyone knew he was stuck. Morrison would be no different than Benjamin in my opinion if he was let go. Meaning that a year later, no one would really care.
     
  37. Big E

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    I agree Morrison just seems to be right in the middle. He's not a star but he's not really a mid carder. I keep waiting for the light bulb to come one with him but I dont think its going to happen.
     
  38. Ray Finkle

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    I think having Morrison feud with Miz makes more sense, especially storyline wise, than R-Truth right now. The WWE could really play into the former partners angle to build up the story. And adding Cena into the mix, it could help Morrison act more heelish with the announcers playing off a "is Morrison and Miz working together to eliminate Cena" angle to add more drama with the match and play off his cocky character more. And Miz/Morrison do have great chemstry together and have put together good matches in the past (remember their match on RAW in Jan?). A lot of the reaction Truth gets is for his entrance rap which if he started to act like a tweener wouldn't play well. Again I have absolutely nothing wrong with putting a new face in the main event scene and I do like R-Truth but putting him into a feud with Miz is really out of nowhere and when you mix in Morrison speaking out against Trish and then jobbing the next week on RAW again I don't know how you can 100% say R-Truth isn't getting Morrison's spot. Especially when Morrison had been in a lot of high profiled spots in the past few months while R-Truth hasn't done anything in months except screw up the name of the city he was in on RAW and couldn't even get on the WM card. I mean besides from a returning wrestler has anyone ever went from not having a WM match to being in the main event for the World Title the next month at the PPV? While it is entirely possible Morrison isn't getting punished, all signs are pointing that he is which has been my point/arguement.

    As for Kane and Sheamus. Yeah I realize Kane was a good draw for the WWE, I'm not debating that, I said 'recently', especially giving him the World Title for the better part of last year when he wasn't doing anything to help draw money. In my opinion Kane hasn't been a big time money marker for the WWE since the first few months after he was de-masked. His character has been stale for years and putting the title on him didn't change that.

    As for Sheamus, yes he has the look, he's friends with the right people and he looks like he could beat people up no doubt about it however the crowd just doesn't care about him no matter how hard the WWE tries pushing him, although for someone having a friend in a high place Sheamus certainly does his fair share of jobbing and looking like a fool. And I think he's just an ok worker and speaker, don't get me wrong he has potential but right now he hasn't exactly lit the wrestling world on fire. While Morrison doesn't have the tough guy look, at least the crowd reacts and can work a good match.

    And yeah I agree with you Morrison very well could be the next Shelton Benjamin, and if the WWE let Morrison go tomorrow we'd never hear from him again, my whole point is I think Morrison is once again in the WWE dog house and lost his spot to Truth. Your counter arguements don't really hold water and contradict the reasons why you don't think Morrison lost his spot in the first place.
     
  39. Jt0323

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    So someone will win their first Heavyweight title at Extream Rules, I hope its christian as I always been a big fan of his even though vince hasn't
     
  40. unluckyluciano

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    whered you get that from?
     

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