Ckaps stock up ??..I like that, but its not good for us.

So, who do you want to be the GM when Jeff gets fired for drafting Colin Kaepernick about 4 rounds higher than he should go?

If you draft Colin Kaepernick, you are basically pissing in the wind and hoping three things happen:

A. That Colin's intelligence will help his transition from a gimmick style offense in college to a pro style offense in the NFL.
B. That Colin will be able to correct his mechanical problems and be natural at doing things he has never done before.
C. That Colin will develop the ability to stand tall in the pocket and not break out of the pocket at the first sign of trouble.

Colin is a very intelligent quarterback, but that is the only thing he has going for him at this point. Nothing else he has done translates to the NFL level. The guy was downright horrific against stronger competition as well. He's at best a 4th to 5th round developmental prospect, and I think you will be lucky to get him to the point that he is a credible back up quarterback within the next 5 years.

 

I respect your opinion, KB. But I like him and I think he'll do well.
His throwing motion isn't as weird as Tebow's. Take a look at Rivers: his motion is different, but not a problem. The main thing is to throw the ball accurately. If the motion looks a little different, then I don't care, as long as it works for him. And pocket presence: he has his eyes down the field. He isn't a run-first QB. He's more like Big Ben, IMO.

 

Rivers has a throwing motion that is lightening quick though. Also, he came out of college without the negative aspect of having his offense built around his legs. That NC State offense was built around his arm. Kaepernick's throwing motion is slow, and his feet make it even slower. His biggest drawback is that he's going to be out of that pocket at the first sign of trouble though. That is a tremendous negative aspect that most quarterbacks like him and Cam Newton never overcome because that is their instinct.

 

Alright, that might be a good point. One of us will be right. I guess time will tell and we'll see.

Is Kaepernick scheduled to visit the Fins this week or anytime soon?

 

It's funny how people make that ridiculous "instinct" argument when they don't like a mobile QB. When CKap got to Nevada the complaint was that he was just a passer and could not play in the pistol b/c it required more running instincts. Now the claim is that he has a running instinct and not a passing instinct. Anybody who watched the Senior Bowl (without bias) clearly saw a player that was looking to pass even when he was scrambling on every play that wasn't a called run. Heck, anybody who watched CKap at UNR saw the same thing.

The truth is that running and passing instincts are generally the result of the offense and the age of the player. Young QBs tend to run more b/c they can't read the defense as well or as quickly. Once they improve, they use the run more judiciously. You saw the youth side with Newton who ran the most in his first three starts and then considerably less after that. You saw the scheme side with Steve Young. He was a running QB in HS and a passing QB at BYU, but admitted that his "instinct" was to run until Bill Walsh convinced him of the benefits of not running as often. The whole "instinct" argument is nonsense. What matters is whether the QB has the talent to pass well.

 

Honestly, I like TJ Yates better than Colin.

 

I like Ben Chapell more than Colin Kaepernick.

 

There's more to it than the elongated delivery.

 

[video=youtube;xQ7xfvFgZ1E]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQ7xfvFgZ1E[/video]

Did you know that youtube had a search function?

 

if he is picked before the 4th rd that team is crazy. colin is slow to get started when running , speed needs to build ,terrible pocket accuracy , good accuracy when on the move like locker , long delivery, smart kid a definate project. give me someone thats more athletic, more accurate arm, arm is strong enough, just as smart ,ran a pro offense ,plenty of starts, give me ponder.

 

Dj, Sports science also openly fellated John Skelton as an amazing specimen for a QB. It's an ESPN based "entertainment" segment.

 

ponder measurables besides the 40 are better than colin's ,that to me means a better athlete.i'll take ponder's arm strength and accuracy and you can have colin's strenth and accuracy. i'll bet there are alot of scouting depts. that like him you're right, but that really means nothing considering how wrong they always are.besides you don't know or not if were getting drew brees. lets agree with this, whoever miami gets lets hope its the right decision,i'll gladly eat crow.

 

You are right! Let's draft Colin!

 

The measurables were pretty comparable across the board:


Name/school 40 yd dash vert jump 3-cone 20 yd shuttle broad jump

Kaepernick, Colin Nevada 4.53 32.5 6.85 4.18 9'7

Ponder, Christian Florida St. 4.65 34.0 6.85 4.09 9'8


From FFToolbox.com http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/2011/nfl-combine-results.cfm?pos=QB#ixzz1JnMDmIY2

And the 3-cone numbers indicate that they are about equally as quick to get started. I think the numbers that stand out for CKap are his 40 and the velocity gun where he had the fastest pass (even faster than Mallett). When I take developmental QBs I like to see some characteristics that indicate they have a chance to be special. Obviously they need to be at good enough or better in the critical areas of accuracy and decision making as well, and I feel that CKap is. The thing about CKap is that he's really raw. He'll need time to develop.

I like Ponder. I think he's solid all around, but unless he has great processing speed I don't see anything that makes him potentially elite. I think that Trent Edwards is the comparison for him. That's a solid QB, but I'm not going to want to use the 15th overall pick on Trent Edwards.

 

That's a good point. CKap's size is one of the other areas where he is in the elite category. Now I believe that 6'2" is tall enough for an NFL QB so that his height isn't a negative, but 6'5" seems to be the prototype.

 

My first post here.
I have checked out a number of fans' forums like this one as I follow Colin Kaepernick's progress in the draft standings. Kaep has attracted a small number of followers among the fans of almost all the teams that have shown interest in him already and just like here in Buffalo, there are lots of nay sayers also.
My observation is that it is a whole lot safer to just say that you don't like a certain QB, ANY QB, and that he will be a bust and boost in the future how knowledgeable you are and how great your foresight was. It is so easy because you are just playing the odds like any 2-bit poker player since less than 10% of first round QB's ever made it.
You don't need to do any homework, don't need to provide any support for your opinion other than "that's my instinct" and chances are, you have a 90% of being right. What a bunch of "copouts".
I would love to read some nay-sayers come up with their ORIGINAL observations other than repeating what's been said a million times already to support why they think any certain player is a bust.
So, anybody game?

 

So, what exactly are you looking for? Those that question Kaepernick's ability to transition to the NFL do so because he is nowhere close to being NFL ready relative to dropping back and making plays from the pocket. To be an NFL quarterback, you MUST be able to make plays FROM THE POCKET. I'll give Kaepernick credit for being an intelligent individual. He may be able to grasp the complex coverage schems in the NFL and learn how to operate an NFL offense against those schemes rather than operate a simplified strick progression read scheme against mostly single high safety sets. It may take 5 years, but he might get there. IF, and that is a big if, he can overcome his instinct to bail out of the pocket at the first hint of pressure. No matter how much you love mobility in a quarterback, bailing out of the pocket when you are pressured is not a great trait to have. That leads to sacks. It leads to turnovers. It also effectively cuts the amount of field you have to work with in half. He's not close to making presnap coverage reads, much less adjusting during the course of the play when the defense disguises its coverage and actually does something different than they showed presnap.

He's a project at best, and I wouldn't touch him before the 5th round just as I wouldn't draft Cam Newton before the 5th round and would not take Blaine Gabbert in the first.

 

CKap is way more athletic than Ponders.

 

What he is saying is that he'll take Ponder's arm strength with his accuracy over CKap's arm strength and accuracy. He is implying that Ponder's advantage in accuracy makes up for the difference in arm strength.

 

IMO, Ponder's ability to identify coverages in his presnap reads and throw the ball accurately give him a significant advantage over Colin Kaepernick in the NFL.

 

Bump.
Figured it's as good a time as any to bump this thread considering how much criticism DJphinfan took for his pre-draft Kaepernick crush, but it looks like Deej gets the last laugh on this one. That Toddsphins guy seemed to be on the right track, too.