Dolphins QB Henne will compete for starting job, Sparano says

So you think I'm right, but you disagree?


I'm so confused.

Henne fumbled 5 times last year:

Brady- 3

P. Manning- 3

Rodgers- 5

Big Ben- 6

Brees- 9

Bradford- 7

Flacco- 9

Ryan- 4

Sanchez- 9


I could go on with this, but I won't.


Henne's completion % was 62.

Sanchez had a 54.

Brady had a 64.

Big Ben had a 61.


Again, I could go on, but I won't.


All in all there are plenty of things to criticize Henne on...fumbling and accuracy are not one of those things.

 

I'll give ya the fumbling but I still feel that he's not accurate and much of his numbers are from the million dinks of 1 2 3, 4 yds he completes. How many times Ive seen him complete a pass for no yards or Ricky or ronnie fight to get a yd....efficiency is whats important and not 62% completion as the deciding factor.....inaccurate throws way to many interception over throwing the receiver were 1 of the most deciding factors in our failure last season...... True it was not All Henne falt

Tell you what remember me at the end of the season and we will see whos assessment is right, that is if He even gets a third shot................Hey dude I really hope your right.........

 

If he comes to Oz (me), I'll mess his mechanics up for life.

 

Don't forget Henne! He's signed and at the very least, worth a look...

 

What don't you guys understand? Henne NEEDS an O-line he feels safe with to be successful. Last year was the complete opposite. If Henne starts, the entire offense and our success depends on our O-line.

 

Right. These guys know they can get blasted at any moment; hence not feeling safe can cause problems.

Even with max protect, they gave up 16 sacks over the last 5 games which is equivalent to 52 sacks during a 16 game season. Is it coincidental that we experienced passing woes during the 2nd half of the season when our line was injured and problematic (while the QB had a sprained knee)?

 

A WR, a TE, a RB with that 15th overall? Call me less than enthused.

 

What if we trade down twice and get the trio (WR, TE, and RB) from that 15th pick? lol.

 

The 3 leading receivers on the team were Marshall, Bess & Hartline, 3 WRs. The only other QB w/ 3WRs as his top 3 targets was Aaron Rodgers. Ronnie & Ricky caught 52 passes for a 7+ yd average. Henne led the league in throwaways. Not saying he's the most accurate guy in the world, but his numbers are NOT inflated by check downs, and IMO you cant blame him for Brown, Williams, & Polite not being able to do anything in the open field.

 

I think alot of us understand it though. But I also don't think you're 100 percent correct either. So yeah, your right but it's a little deeper than that imo.


Sure they used a lot of max protections but not always, and there were plenty of times when using two TE sets, we'd see one stay in to block while one headed up the seam. Then a Rb would either stay in and help or assist by using a chip block on his way out to the flat. There were cases where Henne made boneheaded decisions with plenty of time to throw. In the cases where he has plenty of time to throw, and noone to throw it to, he needs to just throw it away more often. I'm not saying don't ever take chances either.

Now I do agree that the line is a big part of the problem. But we saw Henne slide up into the pocket quite a few times last year and even though he did not always look comfortable, it was nice to see.

So yeah, the interior of the line needs bolstering but Henne also needs to continue to work to get better and more comfortable with himself....

 

Yeah I'm sure he was shell shocked but there were quite a few of those sacks that were totally on him. Comfortable, not comfortable, shell shocked or not, at times he just flat out held onto the ball too long.

Correctable for sure but just saying

 

I would tend to agree but he only took 5 sacks in 2010 where he held the ball longer than 3 seconds. He took 23 when holding it 3 sacks or less.

That says something.

 

Much of those also came at the end of the year when the offensive line was in complete shambles. Fixing Chad Henne fortunately won't take that first round pick. That pick should be used on a quarterback regardless. The problems Miami had were clear as day but they are very easy to repair if Carey and Garner are healthy and Miami invests in a FA guard as well as a solid RB. They're not that far away. It's just they consistently shoot themselves in the foot.

 

But does a rookie QB, from this year's class, make them less far away? I think that's debatable.

I also don't think it's reasonable to rely on Nate Garner. I don't think he was anything more than average when he played in spurts in 2009, and yet I've seen quite a few posters on here (not referring to Jaj's post, just reminded me of it) act as if he's going to waltz in after missing a year and start right away. Just baffles me.

 

That shows the line was indeed a mess at times and especially towards the end of the season. But a sack does not have to happen to see he held onto it too long either. Sometimes he ran thru his progressions way too fast as well. With plenty of time to let his routes develop. He absolutely was not completely comfortable with his line, and that part I absolutely agreed with you about.

 

Being uncomfortable with your line could cause a QB to run through his progressions too fast b/c when he runs through them at normal speed, it could be just long enough to let him get sacked. Just being devil's advocate here.

I think back to Cullen Harper during his junior & senior year at Clemson. As a junior he looked good and showed promise. As a senior, the Oline was completely dismantled, and by the end of the year he was routinely bailing out of the pocket even when the pressure wasn't significant. Just sayin--- having an Oline you don't trust can do some funny things to a QB. I can't say for sure that the oline caused Henne to speed through his progressions, but I can say that it probably impacted him to some degree.

 

It's true but I don't think it's quite as simple as that all of the time. Plenty of times I'd see a pocket for him to step up into, only to see him fly thru his routes only to dunk it off instead of sliding up in there to buy him another second. That can be part of not being comfortable with who's in front of him but it cannot always be blamed on his line. It's something he can learn to do. I'm pretty sure he can anyway....

 

Agree with you on both regards........ which is why I wouldn't be upset if Pouncey were the pick. I'm so tired of playing musical linemen that I'm about ready to use a 1st round pick on one to just be done with it.

 

Completely agree.
Regardless of the reasons that got him here, hopefully he can still learn to step up and buy more time.

 

Here's a thought provoking question for anyone who's currently baked: Is it Henne who's going too quickly through his progressions or is it his sundial-timed receivers taking too long to get open?

 

Each receiver is quick and able to get open quickly. It is not their fault that Henne needs his receivers to be college open in the NFL

 

I said for anyone who's currently baked. Mods, can I get a little help here?

Do you mean Manningham & Edwards "college open"? Snachez and Eli might agree with you. lol.

Can our receivers get open quickly if it's 3rd and 10+? That's like what---- 63 steps for Bess and 9.4 seconds for Fasano?

 

I think our recievers need to run slower so that Henne's passes land in front of them instead of behind. Our recievers excessive speed really made Henne look worse then he is. (sarcasim)

 

Part of that whole dink-and-dunk is that you've got Marshall double covered and Hartline's not the most difficult cover in the league. Other teams don't respect Brown, Williams, and Fasano as far as anything other than mediocre short passing options that can't break anything. That's a recipe for either an INT deep or a dink-and-dunk, especially when you do the bull**** fake excuse for play action. How much more obvious can it get what Henne's going to do? I'm not saying Henne didn't make stupid choices he did but they'd be closer to 10-12 INTs with 5 more TDs if a decent play caller and proper personnel were placed on the field. Honestly what the heck are Fasano and waiver wire blocking TEs along with a slowed down Ronnie Brown/old Ricky Williams going to do for your passing game? Over a full year that will change how a young quarterback plays, especially when you've got the mixed message be Sparano be-aggressive don't be aggressive nonsense going on.

Don't let Henne think too much. Run the ball effectively out of a spread offense. It's been done before in the NFL, they can do it again.