4th and 15....going for it?

Yup doesn't make much sense at all.... Especially when you counter that with running up the middle and letting the clock run out to end the first half instead of attempting to score.

 

As well as the team learning to play together I think Cam has to learn clock management and other situations like the field goal ( I would have kicked it again, with better turf 5 yds. back) Its all part of the process of re learning how to win.

 

It was a no brainer to attempt that FG. Points were scarce. More than that, OPPORTUNITIES to score were scarce. Considering both teams were struggling to move the ball even 3,4, or 5 yards, then it was a dumb move to attempt to go 15. I don't like Cameron's way of thinking at all. His in game decisions have been beyond questionable all year.

When he pulled Feeley off the field, I was yelling, "Cam, if we do luck up and make it, you're still an idiot." We didn't make it.

 

I thought it was the right call. Since we were so far downfield I liked the idea of going for it on 4th. Even though it was unrealistic to make it, my thinking was move the ball a few more yards and give our defense good field positioning. The field was awful, the worst i've ever seen. Both kickers missed field goals with awful kicks that would've been fairly easy for them in normal conditions (although Feeley's didn't count). The kicking conditions were not good at all and would've made a field goal from that distance impossible.

 

Well the 4th and 15 was earlier in the game when we went for it, and I thought we should have punted there . . . it was like a 48 yard FG . . . so we were on the 31 . . . we had a 8 yard sack and started them on the 40. Cam needs to understand . . . if its 4th and 5 . . . u can go for it, but 4th and 15?

The play u guys are thinking about is the 4th and 6, where we had the delay of game, and Feely got a second chance from 41 yards on a clean grass patch and Cam decides to go for it on 4th and 11 . . . and of course we are sacked again. I was so upset with that call . . . its not even funny . . . I questioned the playcall on that pitch back last week (tho I didn't mind going for it as much) . . . but this was just a horrible decision and that type of philosophy kept us in bad field position all night.

Cam really is showing his stubborness . . . which is expected from and OC, but not the head coach.

 

Yup, The only way you win a game is to score at minimum 2 pts in the NFL....so a 41yd FG attempt in that slop was our best chance. Yes, the prior attempt was a low blocked shot, but it was like a reprieve was granted with the delay of game penalty. To pass on that attempt was like the guy sitting on his roof during a flood and turning down being saved by a guy passing by on a boat and then questioning why God has forsaken you by not giving you a sign that you should be saved.

I too think you have to try the FG. Your defense was playing solid/their offense was a sloppy as yours, and the resulting sack/turnover produced the same result as a miss - change of possession. Trying to convert for a 1st down was a wasted attempt....trying for a FG could produce the points required to WIN a game.

No points = a guaranteed loss/tie

When you have ZERO wins you have to take every chance to try for points...not pass on them and hope to convert a 4th and 15 situation. Bad decision.

 

U liked the call, even tho it was unrealistic . . . we could move the ball a few more yards? That is why u punt man, u gain those few more yards. And if he trots Feely out there from 36 on dirt . . . why not try from 41 on grass . . . the only reason the first one was blocked was because they rushed it . . . they had time to set the second one up. It was a bad call by Cam . . . period.

 

Feely was yelling at Cam also!

 

Cameron won't be coaching us after this season, IMO.

He probably is the worst head coach the NFL has had in so many years. I don't think he knows how to gameplan, I don't think he has a plan. This season has been an absolute disaster, everything that can possibly go wrong has gone wrong.

We miss you Ronnie Brown. It's a damn shame our defense couldn't play for you when you were dominating.

 

As much as I would hate ANOTHER change at head coach . . . Cameron has shown me NOTHING as far as being a head coach. He is OC material, period. He is focusing too much on being that, and not at being a head coach . . . he has too much power and its overwhelming him. I would hope he would take a demotion (keeping the same salary as the kicker) and we bring in an experienced, quality NFL coach to LEAD this team, and focus on game decisions.

As an OC, I gotta think u feel u can make it in bad spots, u need a coach to stop u and realize the point in the game, and whats good or not, Cam doesn't have that.

 

Agreed........

I think that what we're starting to see is just how much of a hand Shottenheimer had in the success of the Chargers offense. How can an "offensive guru" like Cam be so horrible at clock and game-management? No TDs in 9 qusrters? Hard to do. 0-11? Hard to do.
I think that we got the wrong guy from San Diego.

 

We hired our head coach a few weeks too early.

Cameron, do me a favor and walk out on us like Wannstedt. We dolfans have more trust in Dom Capers than your sorry ***.

GOOD BYE!

 

Absolutely we should have attempted the FG.

 

Hated the call. Should of kicked, either punt or field goal, I would of been ok with either.

I have tried to be even keeled when it comes to Cam, but I have to admit, I am starting to have doubts. Yes we have been plagued with injuries, but it is his decisions that are really starting to worry me.

 

I agree and ive been saying it for weeks. He is doing both jobs and failing. Only one other HC is doubling up and doing the OC job as well so doesnt that say something??? and Cam is in his 1st season as HC!

 

i think a pooch punt would have been better-or with fields i guess you could just call it a regular punt

 

yeah the first time i didn't have too much of a problem with going for it, though thinking we were getting 15 yards was unrealistic with how the offense was performing... but the 2nd time i was pissed we didnt' retry the field goal... i think cam saw how the first one was kicked and thought there was no chance if it was 5 yards further... but even still at that point it was the 4th quarter, and 3 pts could have won the game... he should have kicked it...

i really really think we need a seperate OC next year, both duties are too much for cam right now...

 

The issue is not just the poor decision on the FG attempt... it the entire playcalling of that series... run...run.. pass.... it's as if Cam was chaneling DW for cryin out loud...

 

I would have punted there. you saw how the ball was dying as soon as it hit the ground. the could have easily pinned them inside the 10. it was a field position game and Pitts had it all game....this was the chance to change that and maybe take momentum.

 

I would have kicked. As a coach you've got to realize that the field position criteria changes dramatically in a game like that. The only manageable FGs were short to low mid range. Plus one score potentially decides the entire game. Once you give the ball back, other than a huge play you're only going to be able to score by returning to the red zone. So once you're there already there or on the edge of the red zone, you've got to embrace a chance at a 41 yard FG.

This is what should have happened. The players, coaches and particularly the kicker needed to handicap the field beforehand and during the game on both ends to find the best spots for a FG attempt. Not only distance, but right, left or center. That field had ridiculous variance with the new sod.

Instead, it seemed like Feeley, who had just been out there, tried at the last minute to convince Cameron that 5 yards back was ideal, but Cameron didn't grasp that, since the situation hadn't been properly evaluated ahead of time.

Besides, a winning 41 yard FG would have been ideal, since my wager was shortest made FG under 42.5 yards.

 

Because there was no chance guys.

Did you not see Pittsburgh try it beyond the 30? It went 30 yards wide left.

Did you not see Fields punt that literally stuck upright in the field when it landed.

It may have been one of the rare moments in the NFL where 4th and 15 was better then a field goal attempt. However, I'm thinking they should have kept punting looking for that corner kick and get them inside their own 5. Battle of field position.

 

I don't see the downside to the FG attempt... we make it great... first one on the board... we miss it.. no problem the ball is still on the 25 or so.... plenty of time to get the ball back in decent field position....

But NO... run.. run... pass... penalty.. pass.... Wannstedian play calling....

 

I felt like a FG attempt would have been the wrong call. A 48-yarder in that slop? If he misses, which was pretty likely, they're getting the ball on the 38.

Brandon Fields wasn't having his greatest game either. He'd already shanked two punts. And we want to try and have him pooch or coffin kick from the 31? He'd have to turn sideways to get it out of bounds. We all saw what happened when Todd Sauerbrun tried that Sunday. that ball is likely going to end up on the 20.....11 yards from where you're standing to begin with.

I thought it was OK to go for it because if you convert, great! If you come up short, they're still buried on your end of the field.

Justin Peelle picked a bad time to matador James Harrison.

 

you couldn't kick on that field. even punt snaps were iffy.