Cleveland did not have a crap defense. But that's not the problem now is it? You don't like Bryan Cox, and that's fine but he was a solid player and has been coaching for 5 years. At least they hired someone with experience.....
I wouldn’t categorize them as pretty good. Still, Ahtyba Rubin’s 2010 season should be headlining Cox’s resume.
Last year's WR coach is now our QB coach. At least ILB to OLB is better. The similarities between QB and WR begin and end at "both are offensive positions".
I neglected to add they also hired one of the only OC's in the league whose offense produced less points than ours did. This was yet another home-run in stupidity. I am trying very hard to stay positive, but God I am worried about this team.
Clevelands defensive line was ranked 27th in the NFL giving up 4.1 ypc. I do not even know Bryan Cox so how can you assume I do not like him ? He is just anther run of the mill coach, nothng special about him at all other then he played for Miami. Like I said, another Clevelan cast off.
Wow, 3 pages of bickering over Bryan Cox being hired as a defensive assistant coach... aka pass rush coach. Wow... Its rather insignificant whether its good or bad. Gotta love the off season I really couldnt care less about this. His impact will probably be very small. At least he has experience as a player, and as a coach. His role is probably rather small, so whats the big deal?
Yeah, hopefully Cox will bring a controlled explosiveness to the line. Hopefully not prematurely or late; but just in time.
Bro, even the Te coach hire came under fire, "Campbell!!..he was a crap player...fire everyonnnnneeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" Cripes that is what will make the lockout so brutal, this could easily be our last move before the curtain falls in 10 days, then the Draft in 45 days, then..the long dark of the offseason with NO free agent signings, no OTA reports..nothing..... I hope Ireland has floated some offers to players with a 3/3 deadline on them just so someone can be signed to fill that 45 day gap until the draft...if Jeff Ireland is human he would sign Jemarcus Russell just to give us something to do in all of that time.
Who should they have hired? Honestly though, how do you know what Cox is qualified to coach? Because of what he excelled at as a player? Again, he had 14 sacks in a season as a player. Does that mean he's an expert on pass rush? Doug Blevins never walked a day in his life, yet he was the best kicking coach in the league. Not aimed at you personally, it just seems like there's some short-sightedness surrounding some of these hires.
lol An insult to Singletary? Which one of the two has a job right now? The only thing Singletary is known for these days is dropping his pants at inappropriate times and not having a clue how to coach a football team.
You are doing a horrendous job of it, considering you are jumping to conclusions that are absolutely wrong when you could have chosen to research it, or even just read the thread you posted in a little bit, neither of which consists of trying very hard. In college, Bryan Cox was a traditional, stand-up linebacker with negligible pass rushing skills. He had a grand total of 3 sacks in his collegiate career. His second year with the Dolphins he was a Pro Bowler with 14 sacks as the Dolphins starting 3-4 Weakside linebacker. He went from a guy in college who had virtually no blitzing skills to someone who was an elite pass rush specialist going up against left tackles. Very, very rarely do you find that. In fact, I defy you to find someone who was a regular linebacker who got either that good, or that quickly. Not only that, but he moved to 4-3 MLB, and had 5 seasons in which he had 5 or more sacks as a blitzer, rather than a regular pass rusher, which is a different skillset still, and something he also didn't display in college. Bryan Cox was an excellent pass rushing linebacker, as both as an edge rusher against tackles, and as a blitzing MLB. Both of those skills he seemingly learned quickly, and at a much better level than his peers at those positions.
You know I personally think you're both wrong. Mike Singeltary was a fantastic LBs Coach for the Niners before he was promoted to HC. He was the fuel that led their D to improve as much as it did. Im positive Willis wouldn't be where he is right now without Singeltary working with him exclusively. I see Cox having that kind of an impact. I just hope no ones stupid enough to promote him the HC because Wake has another 15 sack season next year. (Like the Niners did with Singeltary, because Willis did so well)
It would be better than chewing on the bones we have been tossed, how can anyone get even mildly annoyed over hiring some sub Assistant Coach? May as well give us some real red meat to gnaw on.
Remember that he is being hired as a pass rush specialist. Cleveland got pretty decent preasure and with hardly any decent pass rushers. But the pressure helped their secondary. As for me assuming you do not like him. I'm sorry to assume but maybe next time you won't give out hints like this..... But I really meant you don't like him here...
Browns had a passrusher by the name of Marcus Bernard who did a good Cam Wake impression from 2009, he had a higher play to sack ratio than Clay Matthews. That is where stats really do not tell the story, if Cox was the one responsible for developing him, and Daboll was the one who developed Peyton Hillis, then those two additions make more sense.
But CLE had perennial probowler and future HOFer Matt Roth. What idiots would get rid of him? If Cox was worth a damn he would of built a defensive juggernaut around him.
A part of me wouldn't mind Roth coming back to Miami, but doubt that would ever happen. This is the first time I've thought that I "get" why Sparano is bringing these young staff guys to Miami, they have shown they have one specific developed player on their watch, beforehand I hadn't a clue why he went with who he did. That meeting between Ross and Mangini had a lasting impact on how Sparano is going to do some things imho.
Yes, I can see you know football pal. Jobs have nothing to do with it. Singletary had more talent and class in one finger then this putz we hired ever had. By the way, Singletary has a job he was hired right after he was fired, Asst. HC and Lbers coach at Minn. so whats your point ?
The guy is a putz and add insult to injury, comes from the Cleveland failure tree. This has nothing to do or not do with liking him. Cleveland has sucked longer then Miami has sucked and to my knowledge, not one person on that staff earned their pay the last few seasons. Anyone Mangenius hires sucks.
Point is you're giving way more credit to Singletary based on his playing career and not what he's done as a coach. I'm not gonna kiss his *** bc his team was smart enough to draft Patrick Willis and I'm not gonna whine like hiring Bryan Cox is the biggest mistake since Cam Cameron. I swear people look forward to the offseason so they can ***** about what the FO does "wrong" before the draft, FA, or the season even starts.
Nothing Sparano and Ireland do will be perceived as correct. The torches and pitchforks are (rightfully) at their door.
And what has Ireland done that's bad enough to overlook the gems he's found in Wake and Bess? O right, Matt Roth lol
I like this hiring better than any other new hire we made amongst assistant coaches this offseason. My Gawd this place has become permeated with a bunch of whining *****ing crybabies.
Yeah, I saw him play. I agree that he was a solid LB and an adequate pass rusher, but Tom Olivadotti's defense this isn’t. Trying to compare this defense to what he pass rushed in is totally comparing apples to oranges and the creation of this position is questionable at best. We can only wait, watch, and hope for the best. What’s done is done.
So far I've counted 3 legitimate "Guess we blew that ones" -Roth -Anthony Armstrong -Evan Mathis (G for the Bengals, he did not last 5 games in Miami, in Cinci he has helped make Ced Benson a back to back 1k rusher) Samson Satele is arguably in that mix as well. All in all though, not too bad for as much Roster turnover as they have used.
That's a little bit better, but still awful. You're missing the part where he was actually a 3-4 OLB, that you can't really tell me what the difference in the defense this year and that years was, and that even in a 4-3 defense he was tremendous at coming up with sacks.
Like I said, I was sorry to assume but calling someone a putz kind of insinuates you no likey! Cleveland has gotten better the last two seasons. This may not be like raiding the Patriots, or Steelers staff but Cox is being brought in to a role that never before existed to my knowledge. So I'm happy to see him here but we probably won't have to worry if this team does not improve big time. The entire staff will be replaced.
