He makes more sense than Bob Sanders, YBell is a solid SS, we need more production out of the FS, and Clemons was not garbage, and he tore a groin, but Atogwe takes the question off of the table, and tbh Clemons was a solid ST player in 09, so to me it is two targets with one signing, and CC has played some Cb (iirc) at Clemson. With all of those dropped Int's is it wise to just "hope" this yr the Secondary turns things around? Other point about Otogwe and Sanders is, they both are FA, they skipped directly over the waiver claims process.
I'll take Bell over Otogwe...The dudes 30..gimme a break...we dont need the player...we have our own...Sanders is a completely different animal.
2010 - 15 games missed 2009 - 14 games missed 2008 - 10 games missed 2007 - 1 game missed 2006 - 12 games missed 2005 - 2 games missed 2004 - 10 games missed Does that look like a good investment?
Bob Sanders would tear a ligament in his finger while signing his contract to play for the Dolphins. No thanks
Yes it does, and here is why, Sanders is an impact defensive player, to me a team should be willing to take a risk on adding that sort of talent, like claiming Shawne Marriman late last season, the guy had not played in quite some time, but that talent is worth the risk. Depending of course if Otogwe is of interest, what has my curiousity peaked about the guys who have been cut, Sanders, Otogwe, Rogers, is whether or not they sign anywhere, and whether or not there is a wink and nod agreement among NFL owners that they simply will not hand out contracts until the CBA is decided in their favor of course.
If you mean he'd have to pay us to play here then sure. One name nobody has mentioned yet is Michael Huff of OAK. He'd probably be a little cheaper than OJ and he's 3 years younger. Finally got it together this year and seems like he's good to go. They have a ton of people to pay so we'll see who shakes free. I'd take any of: Bush Aso Huff Miller Gradkowski
lol And how many games did Merriman play this year? He's a post-roided shell that the Bills just gave another $10 million to. I can't see how that was a good investment or example of talent.
All this is true… yet the Dolphins still put in a waiver claim for him. If Sanders comes cheap, then what’s the downside? He gets hurt again? It’s not like we would have millions of dollars tied up in him. Low risk, high reward. By the way, isn’t this the Atogwe thread?
It's one of our few holes in that defense so if Sanders is our best addition there, then we're asking for mediocrity. I want a FS with a higher ceiling and low risk. Atogwe and Huff both fit that. Either that or we wind up drafting one or more.
I want Atogwe instead of Sanders as well, but I see no problem signing Sanders regardless of what happens with Atogwe.
They also resigned him to a 2yr, incentive heavy, deal, in my time watching the NFL make player moves the one thing that stands out is EVERYONE is a slave to talent. That is why I "know" sooner or later Vince Young will sign somewhere, so will Russel, maybe even TO, Randy Moss as well, if there is the slightest chance a player still has gas in the tank, all of that "locker room cancer" stuff goes right out the window..the real question is discerning the gem from the pile of horsecrap. GM's fiend for talent like Tyrone Biggums looks for "crack rocks".. (just rewatched Chappelle do the fear factor skit..)
http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sport...sweblog+(Miami+Dolphins+|+Sun-Sentinel+Blogs) That should help OJ get a big deal.BTW he was cut because of the money not because he played badly or because he is done.
PFF rates OJ as the #15 overall safety last year. He played over 1000 snaps, so the injury is not a concern. He was the best pass rusher, among S's, with 3 sacks, 6 hits, and 7 pressures. He was good in run support. His coverage was average, giving up 60% completions but, did have 3 picks and 2 TDs. He is an obvious upgrade, and a good fit for Nolan depending the cost.
Clemons never played CB at Clemson. What is the deal with people and big name signings? Just because the Jets did it and it worked doesn't mean it will work over here too. Clemons is progressing very nicely. Actually CK and me have agreed that this is one the biggest jumps any player has made from a progress standpoint from one year to the next. He was a core factor in our defense.
Then why are the great one's always up at the top of the lists? Clemons did show that he can play in the NFL. So far, not a whole lot more but, it was his first year. He gave up over 19 yards per catch, the second worst (after Taylor Mays) in the entire NFL.
If Clemons can hang onto a few INTs, we aren't having this conversation. I thought he did very well considering nobody outside of the organization was thrilled about him taking over following a disconcerting rookie season. And all he did was solidify that spot. He's indeed come a long way in one year. That said, I think Rashad Jones is going to get a lot of action -- at both spots -- in camp. He has flashed. As for Otogwe, I wouldn't worry about him learning a new defense. It's not as if the entire team learned didn't learn one just one year ago. And per the players, this was a very, very easy defense to learn. Nolan's Bronco and Dolphin defenses both came out with a bang the past two seasons. I'm not going to be upset if we don't sign Otogwe. Eventually we're going to have to field players who creating turnovers on the back end (Jones?). But if Otogwe's money instead goes towards offense, I'm ok with that.
The kid also knocked the snot out of Rothlesberger at the goal line to win the football game..defensive play of the year if the ref doesn't fu$# up the call. No way iam givin up on the dudes upside, legit 4.3 speed, body is starting to fill out, not afraid to throw his body around.. too many times I saw him show great burst comin up in the flat...
Theyre basically letting him go due to the huge salary/bonus they were due to pay him. OJ is a solid FS.
Yup. Big Ben said he thought he broke his arm with that hit. He also blasted Randy Moss IIRC, setting the tone for that shutout. And you can also see that burst when they send him off the edge. He was a 4.3 guy coming out and it seems to translate IMO. I've read he's played around 220 for us. I do think he's got to become a little more consistent tackling though.
.... Do you even know the scheme they were playing in? Like I said its not a good stat to evaluate safeties at all.
I'm a big fan of OJ. But id rather sign Sanders for cheap and go into next season with Clemons, Sanders, and Jones back there. When Sanders gets hurt, let Jones play. I think he will be able to handle it
I am not a coach or former player but, do try to follow the game. Clemons appeared lost on many plays where the game was too fast for him. Granted that he is young with much to learn. He also tackles high. I've seen a number of plays where he went after the pads instead of trying to make a sure tackle. Again youth, and some coaching. IMO, OJ is the ideal "Robber" in Nolan's scheme, and will make an immediate impact on our D. In no way am I giving up on Clemons or Jones, who I like a little better. I'm just in a hurry to see a playoff game.
I dont think we need a 30 year old solid free safety..I would stick with our guys...but when you have a chance to sign Bob Sanders, I make room...The defense needs an edge...He brings it in spades...I would take the gamble...key word being GAMBLE, so I dont need to be reminded of his fragility...I get it. Thats not directed at you SB.
DJ, I have no problem in staying with Clemons and Jones. They both have great speed, and "should" get much better. I would also have no problem in rolling the dice on Sanders or, taking a shot with OJ. Regardless, provided we re-sign Soliai, our D should be top five whatever we do.
It's not the name, Atogwe does not ring any bells the way fmr DPOY Sanders does, it is the Secondary desperately needing playmakers, we have none and Atogwe is a playmaker. The one problem being he comes from the 4-3 system which they mentioned was a part of Gibril Wilson's problem in Miami, at least one of them, they may hesitate to make the same sort of move on a waived Veteran Safety.
Wilson was a SS and IMO better than Bell. OJ and Sanders are true FS. I believe both would be great with Nolan. OJ had 2 TD's. Those are game changers. Again,I can take or leave both.
Get it done Irish...sign Bob Sanders.. Check it out...Wuda you got when you combine VD21...SS24...RJ20...CC30....I'll tell ya....the youngest secondary in the league....Bob Sanders would be the perfect mentor and leader, and hes still in his twenties...
Hmm, so it would seem all of this speculation has been for naught. Will say that from a chatting about the Dolphins pov, this has been a fantastic offseason so far, if we had gone 10-6 or something the forums would be quite as a graveyard..
Can you please point some instances out where you saw this? Seeing him at the bottom of the screen on a fade route down the right sideline isn't him being lost or out of position. What it is most of the time is him using his speed and ridiculous range to even be in the screen. Usually you don't see safeties at the bottom or coming into the play unless they screwed up on the play and Clemons didn't have that many mistakes this past season. But in Clemons case he usually got in the play by speed. You guys really don't know the rarity Clemons is in a safety. You don't get these players often with his physical set of skills. Maybe once every couple years you get a player with his ability in the draft at S. The man is 6'1 210, runs a 4.3 and hits like a freaking mac truck. Those don't grow on trees and are pretty damn hard to come by. His mental game is getting there seeing he barely made communication errors and had minimal in-game mistakes. Nolan loves the kid too. He just needs to FINISH plays. He's always there in position, so its just finishing.
better spend more time acquiring top tier offensive players the defense is basically set & will grow with each season played
Big Shot Bob, I wish I could. My memory, while great, is not that great. I am not picking on Clemons, as a first time starter he played well but, far from great. There were times when our CB's were expecting help, and it was not there. There were times when he hesitated between run support and coverage, and you have to agree on the high tackles. I agree, and posted, on his great speed but, he has not "yet" proven to be a solid FS. That may or may not come with time. OJ and Sanders are now better, and worth a look.
Was going to say something,but I just wanna get my post count up instead. Oh yeah,we won't sign Atogwe .We need Ted Ginn. oops.............
There's a couple positions on defene where we have good youth, but that should dissuade us from looking fora potential homerun upgrade. FS, NT, CB2, and ILB2 If you're looking for a young, dominant free safety, there might be a better one available in a trade down situation. Quinton Carter is that guy, imo. Upgrade FS and also get a second rounder should be a no-brainer. On that note, I'd be just as happy with Peae (sp?) in the late 20s to man NT
The volleyball missed Int that went for a TO touchdown comes to mind. To be fair to Clemmons though, I could tell a difference later in the yr when he had a torn groin/sports hernia, he was not the same player and that really should not be held against him but his explosiveness was clearly missing.
I don't know if I expect him, he was available last season right? No idea what the circumstances were anymore or cost or whatever, but Dolphins didn't try to get him. Things change though, but I think they're far more likely to be looking for someone on offense before they see what they have left to do for defense.
