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Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by the 23rd, Feb 14, 2011.

  1. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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  2. Phinperor

    Phinperor formerly In_Flames Luxury Box

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    If we don't trade down than this (Ingram) is our pick IMO...
     
  3. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    good first pick
     
  4. Rdrunn004

    Rdrunn004 Active Member

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    I wouldn't be opposed to this pick if we can't find a partner to trade down with. I am not a big fan of picking a RB this high in the draft though, but if he could be a gamebreaker then I have no problem with it.
     
  5. Ozzy

    Ozzy Premium Member Luxury Box

    How could anyone not like this pick? Running was, by far, the worst part of the team last year. So any picks that boost it is a great thing.

    Ingram or some lineman, and I'm good...
     
  6. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    sundry /generic information:

    Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama -
    Height: 5-10. Weight: 215.
    Projected 40 Time: 4.44.
    Combine 40 Time: .
    Pro Day 40 Time: .
    Benchx225: . Vertical: . Broad: .
    Projected Round (2011): Top 30 Pick.
    1/24/11: Write-ups for these rankings will be added later; there were "personnel complications" on the site, which is why these rankings haven't been updated in a while.

    10/1/10: Ingram recovered from a knee injury missing his first two games, but he has dominated and returned to Heisman form. He is averaging 9.3 yards per carry on 308 yards total in his last two games against Duke and Arkansas. Ingram isn't the fastest back in the 2011 NFL Draft, but he has amazing balance, power, vision and terrific instincts. He will be the first back off the board.

    3/29/10: The 2009 Heisman Trophy winner, Mark Ingram rushed for 1,658 yards and 17 touchdowns on a 6.1 YPC. He also caught 32 passes for 334 more yards. He's a legit top-10 prospect.

    I think this is an obvious choice. this is a guy that has the potential to be our next franchise RB & can carry the load on offense.
     
  7. Garryowen

    Garryowen New Member

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    We're just the organization to do something that dumb.
     
  8. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Id be quite alright with this pick. Actually I'd be thrilled. Take Ingram, then re-sign Ronnie or Ricky, or any FA available and we're set at RB. Spend the rest of the draft on OL and finding a speedy WR or two.

    That being said, I'm thinking we trade down again this year though.
     
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  9. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    in my opinion, there is a growing consensus on how to approach the draft:
    a successful draft/free agency would be to acquire a franchise quality Center, Left Guard & RB that could start on day-one
    I believe it will take two years to fix the offense, if we do it right. next year we could go after a franchise QB, some speed & whatever ...
    the trick is to quietly pursue quality, not to waste resources & be patient with the rebuilding process. we cannot possibly fill all the holes in 2011
    Mark Ingram @ RB fits this design & looks like a good start for Miami @ 15
     
  10. rafael

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    I don't like taking RBs early b/c I think you can, on average, get as much production from a later round guy. The caveat here is that Ingram may just be that Emmitt Smith level back. It would be hard to call drafting an Emmitt Smith level back a mistake. I still would prefer to trade down as I see many good 2nd and 3rd round backs in this draft that will most likely provide 90% of Ingram's production. I see certain positions that you have to pick high to get that play maker, but RB isn't one of them. If you get a later round back that gives you 90% of the production and say a TE like Kendricks that ups your offense another 20%, you're better off with the trade down. But if can't trade down I can't say I'd hate the pick.
     
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  11. Onehondo

    Onehondo Senior Member Club Member

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    Ingram makes sense to me if he is still available at #15, but I think a trade down that includes a second round pick makes the most sense. Its going to be a long wait from #15 to our pick in the 3rd round. I just don't think there is any impact players in the draft that would be worth more than a 1st and second round pick in this draft. The only player that would fit that mold would a be quarterback who could be the starter from day one and carry the team to the next level and I just don't think he is in this draft.
     
  12. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    Friend Onehondo:
    think you've got it right. we need some bang for our buck @ 15. as far as I can see he may be the best bet for a probable quality pick @ 15. have to see how the draft falls.
     
  13. mroz

    mroz Fix the OL Club Member

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    I dont like it... Running game was bad for us because our OL is horrible. Our running game will continue to be horrible until they fix the OL. I DONT care who the RB is.
     
  14. bamadolphin

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    Mark Ingram will be in the HOF. This kid is the next Emmit Smith. He hits like a linebacker and the first man never brings him down.
     
  15. Desides

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    I’ll take the bullet on this one. I would not be a fan of picking Ingram for a couple of reasons.

    One, I think the RB position is very fungible. You can get guys outside of the first round (LeSean McCoy, Jamaal Charles) middle rounds (Mike Goodson, James Starks, Ryan Torain), and even undrafted (Arian Foster, LeGarrette Blount). You do not need to use a first round pick to solidify the backfield. In fact, I would say the three first round picks we have invested in our backfield (one in Ronnie, two in Ricky) have been a misuse of a valuable resource. Would anyone here take Ronnie Brown over Aaron Rodgers right now? I wouldn’t. In retrospect, wouldn’t we like to have those two first round picks for Ricky Williams back? I would. That 2002 1st round pick could have been Andre Gurode, Lito Sheppard, LeCharles Bentley, or moved up to snag Ed Reed (taken one slot ahead of our pick). The 2003 1st round pick could have been used on Dallas Clark, Nnamdi Asomugha, Nick Barnett, Calvin Pace, or moved up to snag Troy Polamalu (again taken one slot ahead of our pick). Allocating 1st round picks to the running back position has been bad news for this team, just as blowing 2nd round picks on poorly-scouted quarterbacks has been bad news for this team.

    Two, is Mark Ingram the type of elite prospect that’s worthy of a 15th overall pick? I’m not sure about that. He’s certainly a very good running back, but I don’t think he’s an elite standout the way Adrian Peterson was. Ingram reminds me of Beanie Wells, in a way: solid but unspectacular. I don’t watch Ingram and think “Man, I want to use my first round pick on that guy!” I watch him and think “Well, if we had a 2nd round pick…” or, sometimes, “Man, I wish David Lee and Bill Parcells hadn’t drafted Pat White. We could have had LeSean McCoy and avoided this backfield problem entirely.”

    Third, when a new CBA is reached, there’s going to be free agency. There are good running backs available, like Ahmad Bradshaw, Pierre Thomas, Michael Bush, Joseph Addai, and Cedric Benson. I like the prospect of Bradshaw or Thomas in the backfield, especially the value prospect, more than I do Ingram in the backfield.

    Lastly, in the end, improving the quarterback position is going to do a hell of a lot more for the win column than improving the running back position will. I consider that a better use of a first round pick, and I consider bundling current or future picks to trade up for a QB to be a better decision than sitting still and drafting whoever’s available.

    Ingram will be a good NFL player. He won’t be Emmitt Smith as some have suggested, but he’ll be good. I just don’t think Ingram is the guy we need to have on our roster.
     
  16. Garryowen

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    Lots of people live in 1985. I see that now.
     
  17. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    Except that the cause of our poor running was more directed at the OL, particularly the interior of the OL than a RB...that said, that's a good choice for me too...he's worthy of a #15 pick, and probably the BPA at that point that fills a need as well...
     
  18. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    One: You're assumption is that Ingram will not be productive enough as a #15 pick, however, the guys you mention here are not elite type backs...very good ones, but not Adrian Peterson good. We don't know whether Ingram will be an elite back or not, but then, based on the projected picks ahead of us he very well could be the BPA and at a more or less need position (pending FA) when we pick.... It could be a lot like 2005 when we picked Brown. He was the best option where we picked and turned out to be the most productive of that group near the top of that draft, not that any of that group has been elite...

    While improving the QB position is arguably the best way to go, who's to say that whoever is left of the QBs is going to be the answer for us ?? We've seen pick after pick after trade after trade not be our answer. This is a very, very weak QB class and I'm sure there will be one that in 3 yrs everyone who passed him over will be drooling about, but what if the guy we choose (assumedly the #3 QB on the board) turns out to be the next Pat White ?? Just flat out saying that taking a QB over Ingram is 'the' way to go is assuming an awful lot...

    If Brown and Williams move on, which is a very good possibility, what do we have ?? What exactly will FA bring us ?? We don't know this year because of the CBA talks. We could very well lose out on any or all of the better RBs that may or may not be available...What if there is no FA this year because of the CBA talks going into Sept ?? I think, unlike most years, you will have to lean more towards drafting to need than in the past because you just won't know what FA is or is not going to bring... Besides that, even if Ingram doesn't become the next Emmitt Smith (as you said probably very unlikely), he is likely to be as productive as any of the other guys you mentioned. At #15, I don't expect to get an elite player...I expect to get a productive member of the team that probably starts from the git-go... Didn't we take Louis Oliver at #15 or 16 ?? He was just that type of player, not a great player but certainly a very good and solid player for the organization...

    JMHO, but I think the thoughts of how we draft will change this year due to the labor negotiations...
     
  19. dolfan22

    dolfan22 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Personally , doyou have concerns on Ingram being able to remain healthy at the next level?
     
  20. Desides

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    Ronnie Brown was not the best option when we picked, as we now know. But no, my assumption isn’t that Ingram won’t be productive enough as a #15 overall pick, I’m saying that I don’t think Ingram is special relative to the rest of this group of running backs. He’s not Adrian Peterson. He’s not Emmitt Smith. You don’t use the #15 pick on that, IMO.

    This attitude borders on negligence, IMO. Just because you MIGHT get a gem QB in the 4th round doesn’t mean you build your draft around that.

    Assuming there’s a free agency, we can get Ahmad Bradshaw, DeAngelo Williams, Michael Bush, and a few other guys. If not, we can still get a good running back in the middle rounds and pair him with Kory Sheets.

    Ultimately, the position is fungible. You can get 4 yards and a cloud of dust from nearly anyone.
     
  21. Roman529

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    I would prefer to trade down but if we can't, I think Ingram at #15 is the pick. If we trade down, I think Mikel LeShoure, RB, Illinois, could be our "later" first rounder and then BPA in round two.
     
  22. ASUFinFan

    ASUFinFan Uh huh

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    I agree. And if Miami could somehow walk out of this draft with Ingram AND Lance Kendricks...cart wheels brotha. I'm tired of Miami not addressing the TE position, this past year especially. Who was the last tightend Miami had that scared a defense? Flacco, and Ryan, even throw in Sanchez...those QB's all have great defenses/running games no question...but they also all have athletic TE's that can oppose their will on teams AND make for an easy target for their team's young qb. Heap, Gonzalez, Keller...all safety outlets for their young qb's. I like Fasano, but I want Miami to get that athletic/mismatch TE to go along with him. Kendricks is that guy.
     
  23. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    the good draft:

    1) draft a day-one starting franchise QB
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    2) draft a day-one starting, franchise RB & a pro-bowl quality, day-one starting Center & Left Tackle
     

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