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Lombardi: Phins a Possible Landing Spot for Asomugha

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Hurricane, Feb 13, 2011.

  1. Hurricane

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    From NFL.com,

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  2. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    That doesn't make any sense at all with five players who have started or been good quality nickel corners on the roster and other needs that are more outstanding.
     
  3. muscle979

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    That's not really a position of great need. I don't know why he's thinking Miami. I'm also still a little concerned Miami could have trouble signing highly sought FAs anyway after the Sparano offseason fiasco.
     
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  4. BlameItOnTheHenne

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  5. Hurricane

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    I think this is a case of a guy who's the best at what he does being available, which is a rarity.

    He's also very involved with the community, so he's not like the knuckleheads we're used to looking at.

    I'm not saying I think we should sign him, but you can't say he wouldn't be an upgrade. Furthermore, this would give us the best CB tandem in the NFL, regardless of whether or not Cromartie resigns in NY.

    It could also allow us to try some other guys at FS or allow us flexibility, as far as trades go.
     
  6. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    true & we have great needs in other places
    just re-signed Will Allen, makes no sense
     
  7. PHINANALYST

    PHINANALYST Well-Known Member

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    i see no justification for Ireland to get involved with this one. don't get me wrong, the defensive side of the ball isn't 'set' .... but what we need is a ball hawking, play making S -- even if Asomugha is the best CB in football (which i don't think he is) ....
     
  8. Hurricane

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    Actually, we restructured his contract (this is his last year, mind you) to pay him the league minimum after coming off back-to-back IR's for a torn ACL and a "routine knee scope".

    Again, this isn't a move that I feel is necessary, but it undeniably makes us better.

    LCB: V. Davis
    RCB: N. Asomugha
    FS: C.Clemons? W.Allen?
    SS: Y. Bell
    Nickel: S.Smith

    Here's an article from Yahoo! lauding Asomugha's career performance thus far: http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Nnamdi-Asomugha-Still-the-best-?urn=nfl-281289

     
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  9. BlameItOnTheHenne

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    CB may not be our biggest need, but it's mighty tough not to go after an elite corner like Aso if they can do so.
     
  10. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Not seeing it, why burn up that much Cap Space for a luxury hire?

    I could see a linebacker being added like D'qwell jackson or kameron wimbley, or even Roth but nmandi?
     
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  11. vt_dolfan

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    Wow....maybe its not a need....but...S. Smith...Vonte Davis...Will Allen...Asomugha....

    That right there will make it very difficult for teams to pass against....Wake could get a ton of coverage sacks in that D...
     
  12. MikeHoncho

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    Can he throw it accurately?
     
  13. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    Dont tell that dumbass Darelle Revis this...
     
  14. padre31

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    Well, keep in mind that Champ Bailey will be on the market as well, it is rare to have two shutdown corner backs in the same FA period, but there they both are, but still we need more guys who can rush the passer organically rather than 4 cover corners imo anyway.
     
  15. Hurricane

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    It's my belief, that at this point in time, Asomugha is the superior corner. He is also younger by 3 years (and has played 1 less year in the NFL than Bailey had at his age), meaning 3 more years of productivity.

    Additionally, I feel that making your defense better in one area will make your defense better in the grand scheme of things. For example, if you have an all-pro defensive line, your linebackers and secondary are going to make tons of plays (and vice-versa).
     
  16. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Its Revis and everybody else.
     
  17. padre31

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    And still missed time with an ankle injury in 2010, 12 million or more for that?

    When you could have Bailey for 8 million, or you can just keep Will Allen..which is what they did.


    True, but our weakness was youth and lack of a pass rush from the linebackers not poor coverage.
     
  18. godolphins

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    How much is the league minimum?
     
  19. Hurricane

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    Somewhere around $310,000, but it's dependent on the CBA.
     
  20. Hurricane

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    Asomugha has missed 6 games in 8 years. Bailey has missed 11 in 12 years.

    Neither is T-1000, but they're both pretty durable for "skill position players".

    Asomugha better fits our scheme, and in any scenario, has more gas left in the tank than Bailey.

    As far as the dollar amounts go, where are you getting those numbers? The Denver Post seems to think it'd cost a lot more than $8 million annually to satisfy Bailey. Plus, he's not going to take a 2-year deal at his age... and I don't know about you, but I don't want to have someone on the books for over $10 million at age 37.

    Out of these two players, I have no doubt that Asomugha is the better option.

    As I mentioned earlier, Allen is under contract at the minimum now. I wouldn't be so sure he even makes the team.

    Oh, and pertaining to my defense philosophy, I think a player as good as Asomugha will LARGELY improve our defense; he shuts down his side of the field (and that's not an exaggerated statement--I'm sure BMarsh would back me up on this).
     
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  21. FinsAreLife

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    This would be a great move. Davis and Asomugha opposite of each other? That would just be money.
     
  22. Gunner

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    I have no issues with it if they do go after him. As for cap space ... who knows what the cap will be like when and if they ever get a new agreement. They may agree to some sort of letting teams spread old, cap restricting bonuses out over a couple of seasons or allow teams to remove one bad contract off the books to give them more freedom. Plus the rookie wage scale could free up a lot of cap space going forward if that is agreed upon.

    Awesome-wah on the Fins? I'm a buyer :up:
     
  23. Desides

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    Nothing wrong with having Sean Smith opposite Vontae Davis either.

    If there’s a free agency, and Asomugha actually wants to be here—as opposed to just wanting to get the highest amount of money—then we should be able to find a place for him. Cut Benny Sapp or trade Will Allen (perhaps in a package for Carolina’s #1 overall pick?)
     
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  24. 54Fins

    54Fins "In Gase we trust"

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    over there
    Like Drew Brees,we will pass on him a second time and he will go on to win a Superbowl with another team.
    In turn,Dolphin fans will scratch their head and say " __________ "
    Until the proper personnel decisions are made and produce on the field.I don't care what anyone says about potential pickups.
    (say that 10X fast)
     
  25. ToddsPhins

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    The quickest way to the Super Bowl is by taking our defense from good..... to great. I'm all for Nnamdi.

    Despite how many of us fans are fond of Vontae & SS, we presently have no elite players in our secondary. And if Bell's age shows through even more, then we'll need even better play to counter it. If Nnamdi were on this team last year, we're possibly in the playoffs. SS & Vontae are not reliable "yet"; Clemons & Bell are NOT playmakers in the secondary; and still-developing Carroll is NOT a reason to keep us from going after an elite defensive player.

    NE had 25 INTs. Their rookie Pro Bowler, McCourtney had 7 alone. That's 2 more than all our CBs combined. Despite showing potential, our secondary is NOT a team strength. It might be in the future (with "might" being the operative word), but it isn't right now.

    Sapp is a temporary stop gap. Allen is a giant question mark due to his health...... so that leaves us with 3 CBs with potential, none of which have proven 100% reliable yet. The Jets secondary w/o Revis is still better than ours, yet some of us think it's a bad idea to go after Nnamdi?

    Our strong defensive front 7 is not enough to carry this team to the promise land..... and if Bell goes down, our secondary's future revolves around 3 guys with 2 years of experience (Davis, SS, Clemsons) and 2 guys with 1 year of experience (Jones, Carroll). A veteran starter would be greatly beneficial.

    Sorry, but making one's team better at an area that was a sore spot is not a luxury. If we re-sign Soliai & Incognito, draft well offensively, and in FA add Nnamdi, a #1 RB, & 1 other upgrade on offense at either TE or #2 WR, then we're going to the playoffs.
     
  26. GMJohnson

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    Nnamdi Asomugha changes the game, period. He has a Revis like ability to cover opposing #1 WRs w/o safety help. That affords a tremendous amount of flexibility in terms of coverages, blitzed and using safeties n run support and underneath coverage. He can play left or right, zone or man, inside or outside, he can do it all. He's a great locker room guy, great community guy, great player, can be a mentor for the young CBs we have. Wouldn't say we need him, but you cant argue that he wouldn't be a tremendous addition.
     
  27. ToddsPhins

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    Sure, why not.... then we can grab Patrick Peterson to play FS, and all of a sudden we have the best defense in the NFL. :shifty:

    Count me in.
     
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  29. djphinfan

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    Iam in the minority that all Jet related success is directly attributed to Revis and his ability to allow the rest of his defense to play on a short field...

    would I sign him...man, thats a tough one, I would have to consider who it is I wouldnt be able to sign if I did...I dont want another dline situation.
     
  30. DevilFin13

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    I would at least give it a look. We already have an elite run defense. Though speaking of that I would make resigning Soliai the highest priority. But if you think Asomugha would also give us an elite pass defense would it be worth it to pair him with Davis and move Smith around like we did a lot last season?
     
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  31. ToddsPhins

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    Yes, it would.

    Or how about moving our most athletic, playmaking DB, Vonae, to the slot and attempt to groom him into a Charles Woodson type player?
     
  32. Desides

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    The point of trading up would be to get a quarterback. Cam Newton, primarily.
     
  33. Hurricane

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    Lol, he meant that Will Allen wouldn't be worth his weight in mouth guards in a trade.

    (Nothing personal, Will!!!!)
     
  34. ToddsPhins

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    I was just joking around, but to be honest, us having a dominant defense consisting of our current group combined with Nnamdi & Peterson would "probability wise" make us better (and sooner) than what Cam would most likely accomplish. I'd much rather have a virtually guaranteed, dominant defense with a "low risk" elite prospect like Peterson than a higher bust potential QB like Newton.

    If we trade up for Newton & he busts, then where are we? If we hypothetically trade up for Peterson (or Von Miller) and our defense becomes the best in the NFL (which is more likely to happen), where does that put us despite not having a franchise QB? I'd rather go with having an elite defense. Then we could trade up in 2012 if needed to grab a QB who is more deserving of the "franchise" label and is more NFL ready.
     
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  35. pocoloco

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    I think anytime you have an opportunity to try and sign a guy who is top 3 at his position, you at least explore it. As for the defense, I think free safety remains relatively unresolved (Reshad Jones strikes me as a SS), we could use another rush OLB and ILB, and NT could be upgraded through some decent possibilities in this draft. Hit on all those, and I think you have an elite defense in Miami.

    That's basically one more draft. I'd prefer to go defense heavy and leave the offense for another year.

    Of course, that's because I believe Ireland is below average at evaluating offensive players.
     
  36. finsbuck719

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    How do we have a lot of cap space? I'm just going to assume the salary cap is going to be around $130-135mil. I don't see how we would be able to sign Nmandi for roughly 15-16mil and still have room to fill out the roster. Obviously, I wouldn't mind it if we could make it happen, but I just don't see how it could happen.

    Plus, this would mean that we would need to focus all of our offensive needs in the draft. That means no DeAngelo, none of the top flight WRs in FA, no Carl Nicks, etc...We have probably 5-6 needs on offense alone. Do you guys think we would be able to fill in all those needs in the draft?

    I don't know what the salary cap would be exactly and I don't know where we stand as of now, but I would initially think that we don't have a ton of cap space. Also, we still have a shiit ton of needs to fill on offense. Maybe we need to hire Pat Riley so he can make everything work.
     
  37. Ozzy

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    I'm all for it but only after they use some of their cap on Waker, Solai, and maybe Mac.

    I'd much rather they put some FA money on the Defense than going after big named lineman who don't pan out. The only offensive player I'd want, other than maybe Mankins, would be a fast Wr like Holmes. Use the draft to shore up the Running game. Lineman lineman and a stud Runner and to me there are a few decent Rb's in this class..
     
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  38. djphinfan

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    I dont care how good he is, hes 30, and if he wants that kind of money I would look elsewhere.
     
  39. slickj101

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    Low risk/High reward investment, what's not to like?

    Like others have said, he greatly impacts how teams can attack us. He's worth the $$$.

    I also like how he's quietly the best at his position.
     
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