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Hard to know about Henne

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by J_Alfred Prufrock, Jan 30, 2011.

  1. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    There is more than enough tape on Henne for someone to make a determination.
     
  2. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    Henne had no running game all year long, and Lydon Murtha is worse than any OT who suited up for Green Bay, Hell, didnt we sign one of their practice squat OTs (Allen Barbre) late in the year when we had Pat friggin McQuistan at RT. Rodgers also has 4 legit WRs, Marshall is the only WR we have who could play for them. Hartline, Moore, Wallace, Curtis etc would never sniff a roster spot for the Packers. BTW, if you line Rodgers and Henne up on a career timeline, Rodgers hasn't played a single snap yet. He's still sitting behind Brett Favre. And let's not forget that Green Bay had the #2 defense, they were top 5 in sacks and INTs, and they won the NFCCG despite only scoring 14 points on offense b/c their defense was dominant. Is Henne as good as Rodgers? Hell NO. But the arguement you made there was awful.

    Brady is a 10 yr vet and a first ballot HOF QB, Ditto Manning. Why even go there? Might as well bash Sean Smith for not being as food as Deion Sanders. The bum. BTW, both those guys got sent home by Mark Sanchez, exhibit #10,000 for how teams win games, not QBs. Roethlisberger? The team was 9-3 with him, and 3-1 with Charlie Batch and Dennis Dixon. His #1 defense bailed him out in both playoff games. Give him credit for those two critical 3rd down conversions last week and the bomb that ended the Ravens game, but Ben ended those games, he didnt win them. Moral of the story is, your argument stinks. 90% of all QBs in history suck compared to those guys. Try comparing Henne to someone who plays under similar conditions if you want to make an objective, not that I'm trying to accuse you of making an objective comparison.

    Henne? Collapsed along with the rest of the team.[/QUOTE]
     
  3. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    Too bad none of the know it all QB gurus on this forum have access to any of this tape. Not that the'yd know what they were watching anyway. 27 games, especially under Henne's circumstances, is not enough for anyone to make a final determination. If anyone can say for certain at this point, they need to drop a resume' off in Davie b/c those guys cant seem to figure it out.
     
  4. Buckeyetroop

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    Just curious, how's that any different than you? We all have opinions and apparently none of us are employed in the NFL.
     
  5. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    You're right, sort of. I don't have the coaches tape. I have to watch each play/game AT LEAST 3 times before I can have any real idea of what's happening. Not that you can ever tell whats really going on without the coaches tape, assignments, play calls etc. But there's always a mob of loud mouthed fans who watch the game once, get confirmation on Sportscenter, and then run off talking about who sucks and is a bust etc.

    Difference is, I at least realize that I have less than half the info needed to make an educated analysis, and Mora explains why perfectly in the video. No one is saying Chad Henne is the franchise. Its basically a bunch of people saying he sucks lets dump him, and then guys like me saying whoa lets not jump to conclusions yet. Perhaps we're just not as astute as the Henne bashers.
     
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  6. Stringer Bell

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    What tape are you referring to? Coach's tape? Certainly can be accessed.

    I would say the coaching staff figured it out. Maybe a little late, but they benched him for a reason.

    In regards to working for an NFL team, many here probably have careers they prefer :wink2:
     
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  7. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    C'mon Stringer. Working in the NFL is much more fun than smuggling drugs and hiding from Omar :wink2: .
     
  8. BicketyBam

    BicketyBam No Fist Pumps Allowed

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    And people here watch even less of Sanchez, but apparently he sucks too ;)
     
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  9. Ozzy

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    Do you make it 96%? Because you've yet to prove otherwise. All we see is you going around claiming no ones ever played or coached here so I assume you're one of them because I've yet to see you break down what you've seen 3 times on film into coach/player speak?
     
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  10. Pauly

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    Let me get this straight.
    Henne is plainly and obviously a complete bust and a professional NFL team employing professional scouts will trade a valuable draft pick for him.
     
  11. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    do you seriously believe what you posted? you might be surprised @ the number of ex-players & coaches on the forum, to say nothing about the analytical power of a number of our pundits who have followed everything football for many years. hubris?
     
  12. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    I'd rather see Leinart than Young.
    • 2003: 255/402 (63.4%) for 3556 yards and 38 TD vs. 9 INT. 32 carries for -62 yards and 0 TD.
    • 2004: 269/412 (65.3%) for 3322 yards and 33 TD vs. 6 INT. 49 carries for -44 yards and 3 TD.
    • 2005: 283/431 (65.7%) for 3815 yards and 28 TD vs. 8 INT. 51 carries for 36 yards and 6 TD.
    I'll take the Heisman winner over Henne, Young or Thigpen any day.
     
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  13. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    as a matter of fact that is exactly what I think,
    but it is a fans opinion born of frustration & anger,
    wrapped in what I perceive to be the truth.
    however, #YES"! I do think he is a bust.

    having said that

    & understanding we go nowhere w/o the franchise QB,
    I see no apparent Franchise QB talent in the current draft or free agency

    Matt Leinart is a player that will not cost a pick or a major salary,
    but could provide serious competition for Henne & Thigpen @ QB in 2011
    he has a real upside, some experience & looking for his shot to succeed

    competition is the elixir of success. let them compete

    it all begins in the trenches
    & it appears there will be opportunities available in both the draft & free agency
    to rebuild the interior line. could pick up a decent RB while we're @ it.


    maybe that's the better way to go,
    unless you see a SuperBowl on the horizon
    what I see is the rebuilding of an offense

    if we're stuck with Henne & Sparano
    for @ least another year
    lets get everything we can out of them
     
  14. CashInFist

    CashInFist Well-Known Member

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    Exactly. All tinyJohnson does is call people stupid when they say Chad Henne sucks (which Henne does).

    I can call him tinyJohnson because he had his hands in his own pockets when he called me a woman. :tongue2:
     
  15. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    Matt Leinart and upside :lol:
     
  16. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    Friend Killerphins:
    Matt Leinart has serious credentials, experience & an upside that won't destroy our draft & free agency. we have too much to rebuild on offense. I would bet the draft or break the bank on an apparent & serious prospect @ QB, but I simply don't see one with that kind of promise or worth that kind of sacrifice. better to go with a RB & Offensive Line
     
  17. rafael

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    Leinart has zero NFL credentials. His talent was always limited and he's seen as having no leadership skills. He's basically Henne with less experience, less accuracy, a weaker arm and even less leadership. In fact, other than a little more athleticism, I can't think of one characteristic that makes him better than what we have now.
     
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  18. Stringer Bell

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    Congratulations on selecting one of the few QBs that is actually worse than Chad Henne.
     
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  19. Robert Horry

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    Dude do you even know what you are saying? Have you WATCHED Leinart once in the NFL?

    Man, GMJohnson is right. 95% of the posters on this board have no clue what they are talking about.
     
  20. fin13

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    Penny had the easiest schedule the Fins ever had and the first year of the wildcat which was a surprise to the league.
    Ravens blew him out twice and after the loss in the playoffs he never won another game.
    The Fins in 2008 run the ball effectively since then the running game declined.
    Hennings system was perfect for noodle arm.
    Don't try to do the revisionist history crap the Dolphins were a bad team that got lucky like the Sea hawks.
    By the way Tom Brady went down in the first game of the season, dolphins blew the Pats out with the wildcat, with a QB that had never started in college and in the NFL the Pats came to Miami and beat the crap out of the Dolphins.
     
  21. fin13

    fin13 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    But I did enjoy beating the Jets and their great QB in the last game to deny them the playoffs.
    I think I peed a little remembering that pick for the winning TD.
    Funny Penni after the loss to the Ravens never won again.
     
  22. BicketyBam

    BicketyBam No Fist Pumps Allowed

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    You guys can never get this right. The Jets were already eliminated before they took the field for that game. The only thing that hinged on the game was whether Miami or NE would make the playoffs. I rooted for Miami for two reasons: 1. I am a Chad Pennington fan and 2. I knew Miami would get blasted in the first round. Sorry to spoil the fun, but the game did not eliminate the Jets from the playoffs.
     
  23. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    Friend Robery Horry:
    we, the 95% of posters, are so very fortunate to have you two on board. :omg: we would surely be lost squabbling in football ignorance, mired in the ridiculous & inane without your expert advice & astute opinions.
    may I suggest you post the thread & not the forum members. I assure you: your stature amongst the little people will grow proportionately.
    always a bad thing to take a dump where you eat.:crapstrom:
    & its always a good thing to think before you post it.


    about the thread/subject, whatever:

    1) it is my unprofessional opinion that there are very few QB's available worth the price in picks & treasure we'd have to pay to attain their services. we have several gurus of the draft that post with this forum, I am not one of them, but it appears to be a weak season for franchise quality QB's in 2011. Ultimately, we will need the Franchise QB. What we don't need is more excuses & wasted resources in pursuit of something that is not available.

    2) Matt Leinart is one of a number of possibilities which include Kyle Orton, Vince Young, Matt Hasselback, Kerry Collins, Bruce Gradkowski, Carson Palmer & possibly more. my thought is that we should not break the bank or destroy our draft over any of them. we simply have too many holes in the offense to fill before going after the big brass ring @ QB in 2011.

    3) for a quick & an objective view on Matt Leinart: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Leinart: he has an upside & would be able to compete & could be acquired cheaply. I would have no problem, if the price was right, picking up two QB's to compete with Henne & Thigpen, if it were a good deal. its been done before. competition is the elixir of success. let them compete & we'll see what emerges

    4) if we had a truly hot prospect in the draft or free agency @ QB, I would be in favor of spending whatever it took to acquire the player. however, I don't see that availability in 2011.


    no one will know until after the fact, what is important to Ireland & Sparano. they will shape the draft & free agency
    everything else, my fellow football players, coaches & sundry board members is banter, pure speculation & opinion. it is what it is
     
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  24. GMJohnson

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    It's pretty easy to tell the people who know football from the people who don't. Just read their posts. Ive made countless posts on Henne, if you're interested you can read them. But I have nothing to "prove" here, people will decide for themselves whether this or that guy knows what he's talking about.
     
  25. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    be nice!
    no one will know until after the fact, what is important to Ireland & Sparano. they will shape the draft & free agency
    everything else, my fellow football players, coaches & sundry board members is banter, pure speculation & opinion. it is what it

    a hobby?
    compensation for a real life?
    just plain having fun?
    an addiction?
    amusement?
    a distraction?


    whatever!

    this forum was born of common interest & tolerance. it is a Miami Dolphin brotherhood
    respect is paramount, expertise is not a prerequisite
    think about it


    Friend GM:
    The Club Level is available
    if floundering with the plebes is weighing on you
    you're a member, use it
    why post somewhere that annoys you?
     
  26. Ricky'sBong

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    Chad Henne seems to get a rise out of many people. i recall when John Beck did that.......
     
  27. Ozzy

    Ozzy Premium Member Luxury Box

    If you have nothing to prove then why do you seem to be insisting you know better than 95 percent of this board. You've even accused me of never playing or coaching football and you have no clue as to wtf you're talking about.

    I've also read your posts on Henne, and seemingly you steal half of the exact things Todd says. You don't add nothing intricate or new.

    You're no better than 95 percent of this board. That does not mean the board could do without you or any of us 95 percentage of know nothings.

    A novel idea would be stop making points about every single poster or posters that are members here and contribute to the site with your knowledge of football. And no, it's not about making friends. It's not about proving yourself either. It's about having a little respect!
     
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  28. GISH

    GISH ~mUST wARN oTHERS~

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    That video wasn't a very impressive body of work for a quarterback who has started for 2 years. It was mostly from a couple of games. Most of them were just basic completed passes. You can make Joey Harrington look good by doing the same thing. Fact is that one of the elite QBs in the NFL could amass a highlight video better than that in one game, and do it weekly.

    Henne's impressive resume is right here folks....

    Starts: 28
    (technically 27, but im counting the 2010 Tennessee game as a start. Penny got hurt on the first play)
    Record: 14-14
    >100 yds: 26
    >200 yds: 17
    >300 yds: 6
    >400 yds: 0
    0 tds: 7
    at least 1 td: 21
    at least 2 tds: 6 (2 in 2009, 4 in 2010)
    at least 3 tds: 0
    at least 4 tds: 0
    0 ints: 8
    at least 1 int: 20
    at least 2 ints: 7
    at least 3 ints: 5
    at least 4 ints: 0


    What does this tell you? He has never had a 3 TD performance, but has achieved 3 INTs 5 times.

    Personally, I'm praying we give him some serious competition this year, and he has a Drew Brees-like awakening.
     
  29. GMJohnson

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    You may not have noticed, that vid was only from 2009, so your 2 year argument doesnt really apply. 2nd, Henne's two best games arent even on the tape at all. The home game vs NE and the road game vs Jax were IMO his most complete performances. Everyone remembers the Jets game, and rightfully so, but I like the NE game more b/c Henne had to basically do it by himself. I like the 21 straight completions in the Jax game, team record by the way, you could make a highlight tape of just those 21 throws if you wanted to.

    Not that high speed highlight tapes mean much. But I will point out that many of the things Henne supposedly cant do, he does them on the clip. Moving in the pocket to buy time, making plays under pressure, accuracy on the deep ball, he just needs to do them consistently. Hopefully Daboll can whip him into shape, and Ireland can get him some new toys, b/c there's no denying the guy's talent.
     
  30. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    I said 95% of fans, not the board. A novel idea would be to quote people accurately.

    Like I said, I can tell you don't know much about the game from reading your posts. I can tell that Zod, rafael, ToddP, CK, Boomer, Robert Horry, Marine, and plenty of others know a heck of a lot about the game from reading theirs. Not b/c I agree with their views, I often do not, but b/c of how they articulate their views. Doesn't make them, or me, or anyone, better than anyone else. But if you want to take it personally, be my guest.

    Todd is my brother from another mother, kinda like Mel Gibson and Danny Glover (see what I did there?). I cant think of many people better to plagiarize from. But no, I'm way too opinionated to not give my own views, unless I'm talking to my in-laws.

    Love it or hate it, I won't hesitate to call someone out for bashing members of my team when they haven't a clue what they're talking about. Nor will I pretend as though I don't enjoy doing it. There are a lot of critics posing as fans, and a lot of trolls getting a pass b/c they claim to root for the Fins. Some people like what I have to say, many do not. That's cool, I'm going to say what I have to say regardless

    If there's anything else about me that bothers you, feel free to take it to the rant forum. Personally, I've grown accustomed to your whining, but some of the other posters may take issue with it at some point.
     
  31. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    some people just never get it:
    this forum was born of common interest & tolerance. it is a Miami Dolphin brotherhood
    respect is paramount, expertise is not a prerequisite
    think about it
     
  32. djphinfan

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    I don't believe GM generalizes this board, like you have done, so ignorantly...no disrespect man, but you talkin sh@# about our home here is disrespectful.
     
  33. CashInFist

    CashInFist Well-Known Member

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    Then stop being such a DOUCHEBAG in your posts when someone disagrees with you maybe? /shrugs
     
  34. CashInFist

    CashInFist Well-Known Member

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    Read a little more DJ...

    All gmjohnson does is call people stupid when they disagree with his point of view...as if we are all collective MORONS ....
     
  35. Ozzy

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    Why would something about you bother me? Stop putting yourself on a pedestal man. You cannot call someone out and get anywhere when you do not have legs to stand on. You just look like an ### trying. Yes, I am calling you out on it.

    Like I said, you have went around and said you know this and that and have yet to break anything down in the way any coach would so sthu and get back to being a member.

    Unless of course you decide to bless us with all this knowledge you have without having the all important all 22 film....
     
  36. Ozzy

    Ozzy Premium Member Luxury Box

    It is a well known fact that when a person resorts to name calling or directing things toward a poster in constant negative ways, it is because he or she is losing the battle of a good debate.
     
  37. CashInFist

    CashInFist Well-Known Member

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    NOW you know what the F..k I AM talking about...:lol:
     
  38. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    And my personal favorite:
    LOL. Not sure if you're "stupid" or not, dont really care. But its obvious you know next to nothing about football, so you hide behind hyperbole. You're a troll posing as a Fins fan. And you're a hypocrite too.
     
  39. CashInFist

    CashInFist Well-Known Member

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    LOL...Chad Henne is worse than AJ Feeley. What are you going to do when Chad Henne is cut or traded? Are you going to be here eating crow like you should be? Or will there be more excuses for Henne?
     
  40. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    Dude, you're referencing something I said weeks ago. You've never played, coached, or studied the game in detail. If I had known you were so sensitive, I'd have kept it to myself. Obviously it bothered you cuz you're still talking about it, while claiming nothing bothers you. Kinda reminds me of what women like to do, actually.

    Then you come outta left field attacking me for something I didn't say. You must have gone back a re-read the statement cause you dropped that out of your subject matter pretty quickly, and moved on to your next complaint. I'm on a pedestal, I have no legs to stand on. So am I kneeling on the pedestal then? Sitting? I'm confused:wink2:.
     

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