Marshall was the telling story for me this year. His lack of production showed just how terrible our offensive scheme is. I mean the guy had what 3 TD's?? What kind of moronic offensive coordinator doesn't throw the ball up to Marshall in the endzone at least a few times. No instead we used him for a decoy and threw it up for somebody else. To play devils advocate though, Marshall dropped a ton of balls this year. I think he was almost so aggrovated with the system he was in that he made stupid mistakes like dropping the ball and dumb penalties.
He WAS NOT worth it last year, mainly because of the O system we TRIED.........to run with. Fit the system to the player and you have a stud.
riiiiight. Marshall still had over 1000 yards, and would have had 100 receptions if he didnt miss any games. Every WR has droughts in TDs. Its not like he was ever putting up 15-20 td seasons. Other than missing a few TDs, his numbers matched up pretty much identically with what he has done the past 3 years in Denver.
What exactly did this guy do wrong this year? As far as I could tell he said and did all the right things, all while being obviously very frustrated with a terrible offensive coaching staff. Look at the numbers he put up in this system. I can't wait to see what he can do with an average QB and an offense that is just somewhat competent. Not sure if we'll get that with this Draboll guy or whatever his name is.
I think Braylon would've complimented our cast a little better and helped open up the field more. Hopefully we get in a vertical threat this year to do that.
But he is supposed to be so great running with the ball after the catch. Obviously another myth about his game.
While I'm not the biggest BM fan (I think he's great but he's still only a WR) I think the homerism around the boards masked the fact that he was dropping balls in Denver. His drops are NOT a new problem. The reason a lot of people think it was is because well, homer glasses. I mean, he dropped 18 on target passes in 2008. An anonymous GM said he has concentration problems on the field with drops. We dismiss that because wtf is an anonymous GM? Well it's someone who said he had a drops problem before Dolphins fans realized he has a drop problem. The drops are not egregious. Reggie Wayne was always on the leaderboard as well when Chambers was still here. But let's just settle that for now. Brandons' drop problems are not new. It just seems that way when it's on your team Now, Brandon catches a lot of passes so you have to extrapolate the drops to equalize his numbers vs. the rest of the league
Well, to me since the only Wr who was drafted who arguably outplayed him was Mike Williams, would it be safe to say "if" we had kept that pick this yr we could not have been expected to find someone who we could rely on to produce 80+ catches and 1k yds? In the second rd? I'd say that is a safe bet, and the offense needed the additional juice, now the test is whether or no Daboll can use him more effectively than Henning did, which is an interesting proposition as Daboll had Josh Cribbs in Cleveland so he knows how to move a large Wr around to gain some hidden production out of their game. Then again, I have very little respect for draft choices, to me as long as a Team does not CONSISTENTLY trade them away (ala Wanny) then one yr without a #2 pick is not the death knell of player development.
Wud up DJ? Ya, it's been depressing as a Fin fan, lol. Been taking a break from the boards 'till things start to pick up more with the Draft/FA and such...
The WR corps was easily the best unit on the offensive side of the ball. Hartline missed 4 games and equalled last years output and Bess and Marshall led the team in yards even with Henne at QB. Yes, Marshall is worth every penny of Mr. Ross' money.
Brandon Marshall, worth it or not? won't have that answer until we find a quality QB to run the offense hopefully, we'll have the answer in 2011
Oh brother; you said a mouthful. With holes in the OL, no solid QB, a running game that was in slow motion and every coach on the offense a new one, I think Brandon Marshal is the least of our worries. I would have liked to see more big plays from him last year but that was hardly the offense to showcase him. For now I'd be happy if he got his stupid penalties under control. I say lets put Fitzgerald on the opposite side and let the deep balls fly. With Bess, Moore, Wallace, Fitzgerald and Marshall on the receiving corps we'd really have a ton of talent for anything the new coaches wanted to do. The post TUNA offense really needs to get its $hit together - and quickly.
My opinion? He's mentally weak. He runs by his own barometer and can't be lead, nor directed. He's just his own dude, which is fine, until you are EVER in your life, a manager that's trying to get everyone on the same page. He'll be fine year after this. Look for more of the same with a rudderless Dolphin team this year.
He's exactly what he looked like on the package.... an elite talent at streetball style football, a big baby, pain in the *** at times player that can dominate when he's focused and used properly. His childish behavior and drops are the two things that stand out. He's a risky use of the resources used to get him to say the least. Someone above me said he's mentally weak and at times it appears he is.... we're pretty much left to just keep our fingers crossed and hope he doesn't take any situation too far. Not happy with that part of package really...... easier to live with the drops. He got a 1000 yds on an anemic offense...When we acquired him it was to add him to the power offense that we had been developing last season, an addition to compliment that running game we had that disappeared. We fix some things and we'll get more out of him.....we don't, we won't It probably would have been smarter to address WR in another manner but he's a a hell of a playmaker at WR and it's not like we got nothing out of it. Personally my problem with him is the way his cost is affecting our drafting. I think he cost us an impact player last year and we could see it again this year if we trade down again to replace that 2nd rounder. He'll have his work cut out for him to be worth that and 40 million.
I agree with what you said, but I don't think that it necessarily is something that he should be condemned for. I'm sure many of us have been on teams that had guys like this, super talented but not leadership material, that still went on to succeed at a high level. I was on a team with a player that would flip lockers, kick gatorade coolers (including one into Erin Andrews, but that's a story for another time) and do things on the field that cost our team, but we had the guys in place that could keep these outbursts in check and we went on to do great things. I think that he may be the most talented wide reciever we have ever had in Miami, but it's going to be extremely important that a true leader develops on our team to help keep his diva moments in check. I think the trade was a great one.
Nothings been more hilarious than watching you try and tell everyone how Marshall sucks! His drops, his YAC, his 3 TD's. Lets all just forget that he's went over 1000 yards for 4 straight seasons. Lets also forget that the Qb play was on and off this year. Should we also forget that there was no running game to help open things? Maybe we should also forget that the OC dragged the offense into the pits of hell? Yet after all those things. The drops, the yac, the lack of TD's, the drive killing drops, the antics, the running game, the speed on the other side, the Qb's or lack thereof, and the rest you can come up with. Yet after all these things, he still was right on par with his production. Close to 100 catches and over 1000 yards. Yeah, he sucks! What a fraud!!
2 years ago my baseball team was playing on ESPN and Erin Andrews was in our dugout to do a mid game interview with our coach. Our diva had just struck out 4 times that game a feat that the announcers decided to grace with his name (more commonly known as a golden sombrero). As he entered the dugout he decided to drop an F bomb directly into an ESPN camera, he then proceeded to basically drop kick a Gatorade cooler directly into Erin Andrews almost knocking her over. Very entertaining television.
Im going with too early to tell, while its clear that he made an impact, both positively, and negatively at times, and its clear the difference he could make, we still need a speedy guy out there, and a better connection between him and whatever QB we go with to really take advantage of having Marshall in our offense.
One of the dumbest statements about #7 I've ever heard. So, umm, Cutler is a good former 4k yard QB. Kyle Orton is a 4k yard QB. Henne was in his second year starting with a terrible coaching staff. You can't get away with boneheaded statements like that.
For him to still get a 1,000 yards with henne throwing passes behind and over his head all game is an accomplishment in itself.
The too few TD's addition adds a point that is superfluous to the calculation. We weren't going to the SB last year even if he caught 10 TD's. It actually messes up the poll. The plain question is, was he worth it? I think a WR of his calibre, in certain circumstances, is worth two 2nd round picks. If the Dolphins really were close to winning it all. If they had a good running game. If Henne were going to play like Matt Ryan and the D play as it did, then Marshall would have been worth it. But, given where the team is (esp. the offense) in it's rebuilding stage (where they need more interior OL; an entirely revamped RB corps; an upgrade at TE and the other WR spots), I would, in a close call, argue that no, he was not worth it. Those two 2nd rounders would bring a great deal more value for changing the team structure, imo. But, it is a close call.
Well, heading into 2010 the running game looked fine, #4 in the nfl so acquiring him made sense. Disagree about the Wr corps as we were on the cusp of having 2 1,000 yd wr's when Hartline went down, and a running attack is somewhat easily rebuilt as run blocking is the simplest skill for an Olineman to posses and 2 UDFA running backs led all rookies in rushing in 2010.
I haven't read the whole thread (or voted), and admittedly I am not a fan of Brandon Marshall fan (in fact, I posted many times pre-trade that I did not want Marshall on this team). Having said that, you cannot deny his ability, as well as his prototypical size. He is a physical specimen, and he can simply outplay many DB's. You also cannot argue that this team desperately needed a true #1 WR. Therefore, the need and the fit was quite apparent. Was he worth what we gave up to get him (two #2's)? Too soon to say IMO. Is he worth what he's getting paid? NFW. But, none of them are worth the millions upon millions they're raking in. But, that's for another thread, and another day. The two biggest issues I have with Marshall, and really I feel both fall squarely on Sparano and Henning, is 1) he was not effectively (and consistently) incorporated into the offense. And 2) he was not held in check mentally. Therefore, any shortcomings you may feel re; BM come back squarely on Sparano & Co. Throw in Henne's inability to play the QB position at a high level, and you're basically setting yourself up for failure with this guy. Looking ahead, the real question (IMHO) is how he will he be utilized in the future? What other weapons they surround him with? The level of play (and leadership) at the QB position. And, what (if any) accountability will he be held to for any outbursts on the field and in the locker room? Brandon Marshall is who we all knew he was. He's a prima donna. Hell, he's his own biggest fan. But, there's no denying his ability and what he brings to a football team. The team just needs to be smart enough to know how to utilize him. And, more importantly...how to control him. JMHO...
Funny thing is Devone Bess had a 4.2 YAC avg and 5 TD's in the very same offense under the exact same circumstances. I didn't say Marshall sucks I said he was a lie and a fraud. If he was the elite WR everyone makes him out to be he would still be making plays regardless. A great player can overcome those things. Look at Calvin Johnson in Detroit. H elevated them to be a middle of the pack offense. He had 12 TD's and had a 4.6 YAC average. With all the media pub and all the talk over how great BM is these are the types of numbers he should be putting up. Marshall is way over rated and we blew it by trading for and over paying a glorified possession WR.
No WR has flourished under Henne, really? So Davone Bess is garbage, and his last two really nice seasons for an undrafted guy are nothing. Sweet. Another thread not about Henne turned into a thread to bash Henne. Not that Bess' development has anything to do with Henne, but hell, if we're going to blame Henne for Marshall's "lack of success" this year, then Henne surely has to get some credit for Bess' continual emergence. Or... does this game not work both ways? comical
Eddie Royal had 1k yds in Denver, Bess has not come close to 1k yds with Henne. Does one suppose that is happenstance? Why do you suppose Marshall's TD's are down in Miami? Blind chance again? As sparano has said "you cannot ignore the signs or you will not be here very long"
Either that, or the offense wasnt designed to get him the ball. There was the deep ball in Buffalo, the fade vs NYJ on the last drive, the quick arrow in Minnesota, the fade vs Pitt, and the out and up vs Detroit. All five should have been TDs, thats just off the top of my head. Countless other scoring opps were blown by the WC calls, and overly conservative play calling and QB play once we got into scoring range. Marshall IMO, was one of the few players who were NOT a part of the problem.
That's okay just like most of the player fans in this thread you are giving him a pass. Three TD's is pathetic. Brandon Marshall is over rated.
Yeah, there are so many overrated players that go for 1000 yards and average right at 100 receptions a year for four straight seasons!! lol at players fans! I know damned well, you won't have me in that catagory. I can't control anything that this team does so if they get rid of every single player on the team and go 0-16 next season, I'll be right here and won't care one bit about any of the former players. Do you think having Marshall on the team might have helped the other Wr's? I sure hope you don't say no because the stats tell us different.
Give me a break bro, Eddie Royal was a 2nd round draft pick. He's supposed to put up those kinds of numbers. Davone Bess was an undrafted free agent, hell of a damn difference. Second round picks are expected to contribute and put up those kinds of numbers, undrafted free agents are usually meant to be bodies for training camp.
