Ex cowboy scout says dolphins made mistake going with left tackle over qb.

How about 28tds to 9ints for Ryan? What are Hennes numbers? Ypa is a silly barometer.

Edit for accuracy!
In 2010 Matt Ryan threw 28tds. In his entire career Henne has 27 see a difference?

Henne has 33 ints over 27 starts, Matt Ryan has 34 ints over 66 starts. See a difference? What wins ball games ypa or scoring points and protecting the football?

 

Wow, you're really smart about football!!! And still wrong about taking Long over Matt Ryan. Now go study some more film so you can come back and impress everybody on this message board!!!!!

 

Yeah, that's how you win an argument, complain about getting a Future HOFer instead of having the QB who will probably never be elite. There is no argument Long over Ryan. One is a future HOFer and the other is a guy who, with the right cast, can win a lot of games.

 

QB is more important than LT. Henne's deficiencies are what makes it a mistake. Talking about Long at all is a deflection. Without a real QB having a HOF left tackle is worthless. We are seeing that now. Conventional wisdom is that QB is the most important position. You don't have to be an NFL scout or GM to realize that, though I know now that trying to insult other people is how you attempt to win an argument. Sanchez has a good cast as well and is not as effective a QB as Matt Ryan. With your logic though he should be because it's so easy with a few weapons on your team.

 

I'm using this years pro bowlers (starters, reserves, alternates) as I'm not sure what else to go by:
Jake Long (7-9)
Joe Thomas (5-11)
D'Brickshaw Ferguson (11-5)
Matt Light (14-2)
Jason Peters (10-6)
Jordan Gross (2-14)
Chad Clifton (10-6)

59-53 (.527)

For reference, CK had QBs at .617.

 

Interesting

 

That is interesting. It might be better to take out the teams that have top players at both spots. Like the Pats for instance and see how the numbers look on both sides.

 

In HINDSIGHT, it was a mistake. Plane and simple. You don't pass on a franchise QB for a left tackle. You just don't. Long was the safe play. He's been great, but unfortunately he doesn't play a position where he can put the team on his back and win us games.

 

If it were up to me, I'd draft Matt Ryan + 2nd round LT over Jake Long + Chad Henne.

You don't need an elite LT to protect the QB anymore. Blitzes are so complex that the elite edge rusher isn't the overwhelming pant-crappingly important concern it once was.

 

Those situations have ABSOLUTELY nothing to
do with us.They made the correct choice we didn't ...end of story

 

Well, it'd certainly kill the average for LTs in my post since that would remove Light, Peters, Clifton.

CK had 17 QBs for his average, so removing 3 guys (Rodgers, Vick, Brady) wouldn't hurt his average as significantly.

It'd be just over 6 wins (6-10 is .375 winning %) on average with the remaining 4 LTs though, mainly because the Panthers were so atrocious.

 

I really not disappointed with Long,We could say if i could change things i would would have Ryan just becuase to me that position is harder to come by then a left tackle.


I feel a Qb is the most important part of a team,but some might feel different.

 

I have said all along we could have had Atlantas draft Matt Ryan then move up to draft LT Sam Baker. Is there anyone who thinks ditching Henne and Merling to move up for Baker was a bad move? Passing on Matt Ryan is nothing more then he didn't fit Tunas checklist for a QB, mind you the best QB that checklist has ever produced was Drew Bledsoe!

 

Good blocking and a running game mixed in with good play calling. We don't have those.

 

Tell that to all the QB's that missed time with concussions from blindside hits his year.

 

All that aside there were still several games this year that we win if we protect the football. Trust me I agree with you 100% our terrible oline lead to a nonexistent running game. Just doesn't change the fact that Matt Ryan played his way to a great year this year, a probowl, division championship, and first round bye. While Henne played his way to the bench 3 times.

 

Let's answer that question that Matt Ryan whose blindside is protected by Sam Baker missed none. Mean while we saw our QBs separate shoulders and dislocate a petella. One of those hits came from Long playing with a bum shoulder.

 

I'm not saying Henne is anything special, but if we run the ball, he does not have to throw as much and it opens up the game for him.

Take the Ravens game, Brown rushed for 45 yards and a TD on the first drive, we ram the ball down the Ravens throat, and than Henning stops running. Pure stupidity.

What Henne needed and Ryan has, is a running game and a very good TE.

 

That's one player, and baker let up 11.5 sacks which isn't good. many Qb's got knocked out by blindside hits this year, I'm just replying to the poster who said a LT isn't that important anymore.

 

This made me laugh. There are 24 other QB`s in the league that would love nothing more then to be the "sixth best" in the playoffs right now. The Falcons are where they are because of Matt Ryan. Not too bad for a QB who is "not very good".

 

When we went away from Brown in the Ravens game I literally flipped out! The only thing that kept me from being ask to leave the bar is the bartenders love me.

Our play calling and personnel packages blow, but you have to believe alot of that is to work around Henne. Never in my life would I have thought Henne would regress they way he did this year! It is like he played his way into a shell even though coaches were begging him to take a shot.

 

I don't have a pff account and that is the only site I know of that tracks and grades individual lineman so I will take your word for it. Seems a little high because the Falcon only gave up 23 sacks on Ryan all year.

 

Very important key word that many cant see.

 

Hey I am not knocking Long as a player. What I am doing is holding the trifecta to the standard they set. From day one Tuna on down they spoke if Superbowls and Dynasties! Never going to happen without a elite QB.

The proof is on the field the leagues 2 best LTs(Thomas and Long) have spent their careers protecting QBs the caliber of Quinn, Anderson, Pennington, Delhoume, Wallace, Thigpen and Henne. The wins and playoff appearances speak for themselves, 1 playoff appearance combined. Just seems to me having a elite LT to protect a junk QB is like using the Navy Seals to protect my trash can!

 

Qb's have a much higher bust %, we needed a LT badly and we got one.

You guys and your ridiculous hindsight....upset about a pro bowl LT? Stop it.

 

I have been thinking about this recently. Long is a franchise LT a safe solid pick but what is the point in having a guy to anchor the line if you have NO QB. Would it have been better to draft Ryan then Pay the top LT in free agency or move up in the draft and take a LT?

 

I can't agree with this. Although I have love Matt Ryan and what he's doing in Atlanta, our team needed so much revamping...and the most basic element of any offense is the offensive line.

Doesn't matter who your QB is
Doesn't matter who your RB is

If you don't have an offensive line to block...

QB's are going to get sacked
QB's are going to be rushed and throw INT's
RB's going going to get dropped for losses.

 

I'm upset that this long after Marino's retirement and we still have no QB. We have been presented with several chances to draft someone who later goes on to look really good (Brees, Rogers, Ryan) and have taken a pass every time trying to play the safe game and build an OL and running game. Well damn guess what, we still have no QB, our interior line still sucks and our running game sucks.

A QB elevates the play of everyone around them, or drags them down to their level. I don't think anyone is saying Long is a "bad pick," out of all the players in that draft aside from Ryan he was the best choice, but we can't keep passing on QB's and trying to make chicken salad out of chicken ****.

 

People continue to argue this despite our team being proof positive that QB is most important. We drafted tackle first for what?
- Chad Henne still gets sacked
- Chad Henne still gets rushed and definitely still throws INTs
- Let's not even get started on the running game.

 

if you categorize players into great, very good, good, average, backup, bust.....I think a good QB is more valuable to a team then a great OT. The gamble IMO was Henne would be a good QB. That book isnt closed yet but at this point I would agree that passing over Ryan for Long seems like a mistake. Also the idea that Jake Long is an offensive line is wrong. We had Vernon Carey. He was as good as Sam Baker as a LOT and we still would have gotten Smiley, Grove, Thomas so its not like we wouldve had no offensive line. There's no reason to believe Ryan wouldnt have developed here

 

Double running fist pump.

 

There's no way to prove that if we would have taken Ryan. That change could have affected numerous other decisions in ways that we really can't know.

 

well we were going to build a oline. the only question is what tackle would we have gotten to play ROT

 

Yes we would have built the OL, but we can't be certain that we'd have ended up with Thomas or Grove (or any of our other picks, trades, and FA signings at any position) if we had taken Ryan. It changes everything (for everyone, not just our team).

 

i shall call you mr butterfly effect lol. i think we still get all of them. the only question to me is who we get at the henne spot. you could be right but i think things wouldve stayed pretty much the same with only jake and henne being switched with some other people

 

Yeesh. Even with hindsight you guys get it wrong.

It wasn't picking Long over Ryan. That was the right move.

The wrong move was not using our depth of draft picks to move up and get Flacco.

That way you end up with both the LT and QB ;p

 

Well, Ryan looks very Henne like tonight!

 

You appear to be confused that I think Henne is a good QB or better than Ryan. I don't. What I do think is repeated posters saying a mistake was made by taking Long over Ryan are plain WRONG. I agree that Ryan is better than Henne and is a decent QB, but Ryan has not shown he should have been the #1 pick.

WE GOT THE BETTER PLAYER! Matt Ryan is OVERRATED! Ryan plays on a team whose talent makes him look better than he is. He is not all that accurate. He certainly isn't an elite QB. He falls in the 11-15 range as far as QBs right now. He has NOT proven himself worthy of being the #1 pick at this point. Long has.

I could understand posts saying we should have taken Rogers over Brown or traded up to get Freeman, but take Ryan over Long...please. No mistake was made by taking Long. I just don't understand this love affair Dolphin fans have with just a slightly above average QB.