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Drafting Cam Newton - Pro's and Con's

Discussion in 'NFL Draft Forum' started by Silverphin, Jan 11, 2011.

  1. Darrelle Revis

    Darrelle Revis I BELIEVE!

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    You think we don't know that? I accepted Vernon Gholston being a bust the first time I saw him play. I will spit in that guy's face if I see him in NY.
     
  2. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    New York City: Internet tough guy headquarters.

    Anyway, have we heard if Cam Newton is declaring for the draft? The deadline is tomorrow, IIRC.
     
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  3. MikeHoncho

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    Dude doesn't have to be any good at football to make you a quadriplegic
     
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  4. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Question answered: Joe Schad says that Cam Newton will enter the NFL draft.

    Gentlemen, start your speculating.
     
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  5. schmolioot

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    You think our potential OC's are being asked their opinion on "spread qb's"? I would bet on it
     
  6. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    They absolutely are. I almost want us to draft Newton just so KB’s head explodes into a swirling gravity vortex at the thought of Newton throwing to Marshall.
     
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  7. Ricky'sBong

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    he could pop your head like a zit by putting you in a headlock.
     
  8. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    I only say it because it is true. If Cam Newton were white, no one would have a problem suggesting that he move to another position in the NFL, but because he is black, it is racist to say such.
     
  9. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Wasn't Bradford a spread QB?
     
  10. alen1

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    That's horrible. I don't wish injury upon anyone but frankly, if you did that, I'd hope he hit you in the mouth.
     
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  11. Silverphin

    Silverphin Well-Known Member

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    Sadly, it does seem that way. And this is coming from a black guy.
     
  12. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    To update, Cam Newton dropped back to pass 97 times in the last 3 games of the 2010 season. He scrambled for a positive run only 9 of those attempts. That's pretty much the same rate that Aaron Rodgers scrambles for positive yardage on his dropbacks.

    #mythbusted
     
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  13. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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    Please.

    Black college quarterbacks move to other positions in the pros all the time. Look around the NFL.

    Denard Robinson will be drafted as an athlete in 2012 and nobody will bat an eyelash.

    - sent from my Android via Tapatalk -
     
  14. uab_phin

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    Yeah and Pat White was switched from Quarterback to the outfield.
     
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  15. Darrelle Revis

    Darrelle Revis I BELIEVE!

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    Expectations are high in New York.
     
  16. sports24/7

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    So why is it that people have no problem saying Terrell Pryor should switch positions? Is he not black enough?
     
  17. ToddsPhins

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    Maybe he can just french kiss em and remove all chance of error. :shifty:
     
  18. Fishweiser

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    This is something I noticed as well. Im not an expert by any means, but it seemed pretty impressive how Cam progressed in the one year at Auburn. To be able to progress that much makes me think hes smarter than anybody wants to give him credit for. It also suggests that hes coachable, and that hes not the big headed arrogant "me,me,me" kinda guy, but rather somebody who wants to become better and puts forth effort as well. Who knows how far along and how fast he will progress as a NFL QB. I think theres alot more upside than meets the eye.
     
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  19. GARDENHEAD

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    In very recent past, blatant racism was responsible for black QBs being switched to other positions. The white guys in charge thought that black QBs were not smart enough to play the position. It is understandable that some people are still upset about this and are quick to call out what they perceive to be racism.

    HOWEVER, I personally think that NFL GMs are past that point. They want to win. And don't care what color their QB is. That said, old habits die hard. Residual racism exists whether people on this site believe it or not. CK's busted myths about Cam Newton certainly speak to those lingering prejudices.
     
  20. ckparrothead

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    Yes, what you say is correct. That level of improvement as the season wears on suggests good work ethic, dedication to the details, and coachability. I don't understand why more people don't see it that way.
     
  21. GARDENHEAD

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    Why don't they see it that way? I'll tell you why:

    Mike Vick: Lazy black guy who didn't work hard or study and relied solely on his physical gifts. This is not debatable as he's admitted it.
    JaMarcus Russel: Lazy black guy who didn't work hard or study and relied solely on his physical gifts. This is not debatable as he's admitted it.
    Vince Young: Lazy black guy who didn't work hard or study and relied solely on his physical gifts. Has not admitted this yet.

    I can see why those who don't actually study the tape would make an assumption.
     
  22. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    It's unavoidable but you're probably right. I don't think we can look at the tape and say for sure that he's got a profound commitment level and work ethic. That's not justified, because of his past. He had huge sense of entitlement issues in Gainesville, the kind of entitlement that has been the downfall of so many quarterbacks including the ones that you talked about. Given that, you can't afford to assume the guy has an A+ work ethic and commitment level.

    But, the flip side of that is, given EVERYTHING that his Auburn teammates and coaches have been saying for a years, given all the stories about him dragging his receivers around for extra practice, working extremely hard in the gym and impressing all his teammates, given the level of detail he shows in the techniques necessary to perform his double-duty position in that offense, and given the draftic improvements he's shown over the course of the season...you also can't afford to assume that the guy does NOT have an A+ work ethic and commitment level.

    The coaches and scouts are just going to have their work cut out for them, researching his background and seeing if he's going to work hard. That's fine, they should be doing that research on every player. But with him, it's more important, because of the checkered past and because he's not where he needs to be fundamentally, and therefore the work ethic and commitment come more into play when it comes to figuring out if he's going to make the improvement necessary.
     
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  23. GARDENHEAD

    GARDENHEAD Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I agree with everything you said.
     
  24. Fishweiser

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    Also, If you take into consideration of all the media distractions, his acheivements should almost double the appreciation of how he progressed. Its really pretty impressive......
     
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  25. Killerphins

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    It is baffling to me why any Dolphin fan in their right mind would want to draft Vince Young part 2 with the #1 pick.
    That kind of a move reeks of franchise suicide.
    How often do we see a stud college QB bust out?
    The very same things said about Newton were all said about VY coming out.
     
  26. GARDENHEAD

    GARDENHEAD Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Wow. That's an awfully simplistic evaluation of Cam Newton. Thanks for adding absolutely nothing to the dialogue.
     
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  27. Zippy

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    The character flags would be reason number 1 why I would avoid him. The second reason would be I do not think we have anyone on the staff (right now) who can properly develop a QB.
     
  28. NJFINSFAN1

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    First, a Disclaimer, I don't want Newton, but there are many that do compare him to Young. I also don't want Young.
    http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jan/07/sports/la-sp-0108-bcs-notes-20110108

    I think they are similar, although I think Newton is further along as a passer than Young was when he came out.
     
  29. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    Because it is that simple really. Cam Newton is not ready to be an NFL QB.
    You call my opinion awful because you don't agree with it. :wink2:

    You can see that his development will have to be spotless. There are bigger faster guys in the NFL. Being the big man on campus doesn't make you a star at the next level and neither does that Heisman Trophy.
     
  30. gunn34

    gunn34 I miss Don & Dan

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    Who were they comparing VY too??

    As for watching a stud college QB bust out...I've been watching one all season.
     
  31. Nappy Roots

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    I really like Cam and think he could be great. But I fail to see how anyone could watch him and not think he has a lot to work on to be a successful thrower in the NFL. Hes a bit of a project, but like Vince Young he can play for you and help you win while hes being worked on. The question is going to be, once Cam gets to the NFL, will he have that work ethic to turn from a project thrower to an NFL thrower? VY didnt, MV didnt, and they werent successful throwers(until MV did once he got out of prison).
     
  32. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    Is it a game of yours to follow me around here bashing on Henne. We know you are one of the haters. Are you pissed at me because he is our QB and will get another shot with a new offense or is it your goal to muddy up every thread with your hatred.

    There are threads for that bro. :up:
     
  33. GARDENHEAD

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    Wrong, wrong, wrong!!! I didn't call your opinion awful. Your evaluation is awful. Which is exactly what I wrote.

    Your analysis was purely a drive-by analysis. This guy reminds me of that guy. That guy sucks. Therefore, this guy sucks. That's some weak stuff there man.
     
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  34. GARDENHEAD

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    Comparing players to other players is natural in talent evaluation. I see no reason not to compare Cam to Vince

    However, think about this: DeSean Jackson was a Ted Ginn clone when he came out of college. Anyone who projected DeSean as a future bust because Ted Ginn sucked was wrong. The same is possible when comparing Cam Newton and Vince Young. That's why I hated Killer's weak analysis. Okay, sure, those two players sure seem to be a lot alike. SO WHAT???
     
  35. Killerphins

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    Mechanics are poor.
    Character issues.
    Accuracy will struggle.
    Pocket awareness is poor.
     
  36. Ricky'sBong

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    actually no. Desean Jackson was a far more polished wr than Ginn. His route running ability was something Theodore could only dream of. Other than being slight of build and fast, they were, and are nothing alike.
     
  37. Fishweiser

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    Big Ben and Farve have characther issues. None of us would have a problem with having either of them play for us (if Farve still had something)

    Cam bought a stolen lap top. He did the time, paid the price.

    The fact that he cheated on some tests is kind of hard to hold him down on because of the fact of that kind of info being released is a federal crime. If they released that kind of info on all college football players, Id bet we would have a really really hard time trying to draft a player with out that kind of character issue....

    The fact that his dad asked fror money, is on his dad....If cam did know, I dont believe any one else in the country would want to expose their father and throw schools season away either. ...Would that be the right way to do things?? No....But again, If there was a way to put each and every other college athlete in the same situation and see what they would do, would you really think Cam would be much more out of charater than any other player?

    And the latest, about how his Dad attended the BCS Game and Blah,blah........Its getting pretty silly, but I guess it makes for a great scoop for the media because the public just eats it up!!.....Who knows what they will come up to bash on cam....I guess well just have to stay tuned next week......
     
  38. sports24/7

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    You obviously havne't watched him very much if this is your assessment. His mechanics are not poor and he's actually quite accurate. Those happen to be the buzz words associated with black QBs and Vince Young, but if you watched Young and Newton closely in college you would see there is a big difference between the two.
     
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  39. ckparrothead

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    You get a gold star on that one. Coming out of school people did compare DeSean Jackson to Ted Ginn and for good reason. He was a "more physical" version of Ginn. Except the fact that he's more physical was the difference between a total bust, and an awesome receiver.

    People say that Cam Newton compares with Vince Young and Mike Vick coming out...except he's a better passer. And here I am thinking...HELLO! MCFLY!
     
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  40. ckparrothead

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    Another great point. Ben Roethlisberger is a GIANT douchebag. He and Mike Vick are the most nefarious beings in the NFL (unless Jerramy Stevens is still kicking around somewhere?). Yet, Big Ben wins Championships, and Mike Vick's got the seal of approval of a U.S. President.

    Go figure. You mean talent tends to matter more than whether you'd have the guy as best man at your wedding?
     
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