Merged 5x: Raiders Asomugha to become Free Agent

LMAO. Vontae was our #1 CB all year. Sean Smith wasn't even a starter until after Pittsburgh. I'd say the coaching staff disagrees with your assessment. I'd also say that if Will Allen was healthy, Smith would still be on the bench. I agree with Pad, what that guy did in NE was disgusting.

 

I agree we have more pressing needs but we're getting out of hand with the praise of these CBs. Vontae is good, not really good. Smith is average. Neither guy made any plays this year, Sean had one pick and about 8 drops. Vontae had one pick that was mostly luck, 0 forced fumbles, 0 recoveries, a handful of TFL/big hits. That's not "very good" in my book, but to each his own.

 

Losing your job to a guy like Jason Allen b/c you're dogging it in practice matters a lot IMO. B/c when you watch the games, he dogs it there too. Diving at ankles, not pursuing, not shedding blocks etc. Sean plays a finesse game like he's Deion, but he is not even on the same planet.

 

Like VD didn't miss any tackles this year... or two (hundred)

 

Or a sign that the CB on the other side sucks.

Vontae was solid this year, no doubt. But he didn't make any plays, he didn't even ALMOST make any plays. You can say he wasn't targeted much, but there are ways to work around that. Baiting the QB is one method, you purposely leave your guy open and then jump the route when the QB makes the throw. Or you can funnel balls to your #1 DB by doubling WRs 2 & 3, the Jets do it with Revis all the time.

I'm not knocking VD, he's one of my fave players, but like Bell, Clemons, Dansby, Langford, Starks, Soliai and our defense as a whole, he did a decent job but when it came to making plays, he was a no show. So I can't put him in the same breath with the very good or elite DBs in the league. JMO.

 

No disagreement there. Vs the ravens and Bills especially.

 

The Jets will talk to Asomugha. NA and Revis are very close of friends and they have talked numerous times about joining forces. However, we now have to give up a 2nd to SD for Cromartie, which is why I don't think we'll go after him.

 

If no big name offensive FAs are available for us, then I'd be for grabbing someone who can at least further improve our defense. I wouldn't mind seeing Nnamdi with VD at nickle.

 

You might want to RE READ my post! I said he did not CLEARLY show he was better! Never once did I say he was NOT BETTER!! In my other post I CLEARLY stated that I thought Smith has the potential to be better. So, in fact, I CLEARLY said VD was the better Cb at this time!

Vontae Davis started off the year on fire! He played very well thru the first half of the season. He regressed some at years end. Smith, as you said, did not even start the year but he got better and better as the year went on. So yeah, VD is/was better, but did not turn out so clear by years end.

Now laugh your *** off to the next guy!

 

Smith improved his tackling big time thru the season. I could care less if he dove for an ankle as long as he makes the tackle. BUT going low for a tackle is actually how most excellent Cb's make most of their tackles. It is taught to them to hit the hips or lower. They usually do not have the same type of upper body strength that a Rb has so trying to hit them in the chest see the Rb just bounce off that most every time....

 

I'm happy for the guy. He's going to get paid, and, be out of Oakland.

 

Money owed to the Cb position will probably prevent that though. Will Allen is set to make a good salary and imo, he is not bad. So it would be better served to concentrate money on the offensive side...

 

Although Signing Nnamdi would be a Sexy Pick, We Just Dont Need Him. I Think We'd Loved It if he came here but wouldnt care if he did. We Would Care if he went to The Jets Though :O.

I Say Get Gallery and Miller.

 

I agree with you here, but what would you do if hypothetically no one of value is available to us on offense? Would you pass on an impact guy entirely or would you throw an extra one on defense if that was your only option? Tough question.

 

It is a tough question for sure. The offense lacks enough that I'd look hard at getting two solid players instead of one impact player on D but that's me....

 

Actually dude, tackling low is the proper way to tackle period, regardless of size or position. The problem is Smith doesn't wrap up. Anyway, I disagree with you bro that Sean Smith has the potential to be a better CB than Vontae. Smith is just too tall to make quick cuts, he's nowhere near aggressive like Vontae, and he's LIGHTYEARS behind Vontae in terms of tackling ability. I remember so many times Smith came in to cover the TE and he would constantly lose TE's in coverage which was just pathetic.

 

Actually the bigger guys low is hip high. The rule is never tackle high to all players.

Smith is getting better and better and has had some very good games covering TE's. He still needs work but he got better and better all season.

 

Ok. My sentiments too. Let's take it a step further and say nothing special at all is available on offense. If it came down to not opening your checkbook or opening it to use on a defensive playmaker, would you open it even though that's not your first preference?

 

If i can trade someone who that player will replace sure. If not, no....not 100 % on it but no for now.

 

Well to stir the pot, Nmandi leaving means the Raiders now have a need at cornerback.

We happen to have a couple of good Cb's.

What could we pry out of Al for either VD or SS?

 

you get me Namdi and I will sign off on that..You would also have his difficult nickname figured out..Vontae ''lights out'' Davis..I dont think he could last..too explosive, lol

 

he did get better this season..better tackler this year that's for sure..but he would be 1 of the player's that I would think about using as some leverage at some point, for like moving up in the draft or accumulating an extra pick.

 

I am sure there are about 29 other teams in line for Nnamdi. Not sure why he would come to Miami?

 

No offense, but you sound like you've never played or coached a down of football in your life. Ankle biting is a good last resort, not a first option, it usually leads to missed tackles (see NE game), and it used by many as a cheap alternative to actual tackling. No coach on earth teaches tackling the way Sean Smith does it, not that what he does should be called "tackling" in the first place. If he improved it was from being a terrible tackler, to a very bad one. Sean Smith plays like a girl, its obvious. He'll make a hit every now and then, but he has no consistent interest in playing the physical game and that's a pet peeve for me. If he were a lock down pass defender racking up 4-8 INTs I'd be more accepting, but he's far from that. I'm not in favor of signing Asomugha, but a guy like Cromartie or Johnathan Joseph, I'd love to have them for the right price b/c I don't think Sean should be relied upon as a starter. JMO.

 

I would love to have Asomugha...and considering the Dolphins habit of grabbing the biggest Fish in the Sea last offseason; I bet it's 75% likely he's coming to Miami.

A upgrade on defense (Dansby) again, and a upgrade on offense (Marshall) and it's last offseason again. The only difference is I think we're completely filling our holes this year, where as it was just a work in progress last year.

 

I'd take Nnamdi and trade SS for Jacoby Ford.

 

You try and sugarcoat that comment towards me personally by saying no offense?

This is getting rediculous! Stfu and prove your points. There is no need for you to continue calling me out as to knowing nothing about football. Especially when you back it up with stuff like "there is no coach on earth teaching to tackle the way Sean Smith does". Yeah, I guess you showed me with that highly technical response.

If you're trying to make a point to me or about me it would be best if you actually make some sense instead...

You go back to the personal stuff again and I'm done with you because it is obviously one of your agendas here

 

I'd trade SS for a QUALITY LINEMAN and Sign Nnamdi.

 

Ex Dolphin Pro Bowl CB Sam Madison has stated that Sean Smith is developing well and he likes his game. He busted his balls and said he needs to get more cheese on the football field.... Cheddar

I'll take Madison's word for it over the board's comments all day everyday

 

One of the best Cb's in Dolphins history too. Known to hate tackling, he even mentioned how Smith was improving there as well....

 

Hate on him all you want for dropped interceptions, but Sean Smith was one of the big reasons why we even beat the Jets... hell I think he only allowed one or two touchdowns this year.

Smith played excellent this year and I question if you even watched the games this year if you think he played bad.

 

I could go into Sean's slow backpedal, slow feet, lack of lateral agility and short area quickness. I could talk about his hip turns being slow, his transitions average, his top end speed pedestrian, or how he's slow out of his breaks. I could talk about how he fails to track the ball in the air, or put his hands in the proper position to make the catch. When he "tackles", he doesn't move his feet well, nor does he ever drive through the ball carrier. In American football, you're taught to go through the players chest, not his ankles. And since Sean doesn't play for Manchester United, he has no business spending so much time going for peoples feet. Even when he does make a hit, he doesn't wrap up and drive the guy to the ground, he'll just put a shoulder into him and hope he falls or steps out of bounds. I'm just a novice though really, and these are just basic things I pick up from watching the guy. If you want details, find a scout or an ex-pro. Besides, I'm lost all my energy laughing at your response.

But I did confirm what I thought. You've never coached, never played. Not sure why you're mouthing off about what techniques are taught to DBs. Not sure why you start whining any time someone challenges you or mentions that you don't know what you're talking about. Apparently you think I care who you're "done with" and not "done with". You're mistaken.

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With all due respect, of course.

 

Nnamdi and Vontae and Sean Smith, oh my. Not to mention the devlopment of Nolan Carroll and you have yourself a nice little cornerback squad that allows you to be even MORE aggresive with your front seven.

Oh and Michael Bush fills a HUGE hole in the running back department. I like him a lot as a strong, straight ahead runner. If you can find a cheap shange of pase back to go with him, all of a sudden the loss of R & R is minimized.

 

Mankins or Gallery for LG, I'd be happy with either.

 

Why would you want to trade any of them? Who's going to replace them.

Makes no sense to open a hole in your team, unless you are saying sign NA, then trade a CB to Oakland. Kinda like the Grove/Satele deal all over again.

 

Nnamdi Asomugha contract voided - DO THIS ASAP!!

This ASAP!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6004943