Merged:Trade!!!! TUNA TAKES A COUPLE COWBOYS

Totally disagree!


Ask J Witten why Fasano wasn't starting...

Ayodele imo is a beast that is a tackling machine..

A 4th rnd pick for two positions of need that can come in and fill them...
That is a no-brainer!




Marino1983

 

I like this trade...

I think it's good if only because it addresses 2 spots, instead of one, and Parcells and Co. know these guys and know what they can bring to the table and if they felt that its more than a single 4th rounder could so be it.

I also think that they are REALLY without a doubt looking at unloading JT this weekend and hence didn't mind dealing a pick.

 

I really like this trade alot. We managed to address two areas of concern for a 4th rounder. I would have given a 4th for Fasano alone, I think he will be a very special player for us in the passing game, and getting Ayodele thrown in on the deal is just icing on the cake IMO.

 

He is also very promising as a blocker

 

This is very true.

 

I turn on my laptop and I see this? WOW huge surprise. I like it though. A 4th for 2 guys who have proven they can already start in the NFL. Nice move!

 

i think Fasano has some upside, remember he was playing behind Witten in Dallas.

the thing i don't like about Adele is that it may signal we aren;t looking for a young stud ILB to solidify that corp.

 

That was a concern of mine as well when I first heard about the trade, but honestly, I have to believe if the BPA at our pick happens to be an ILB our FO will make the right move for this team's future.

 

Doesn't mean that at all, Tuna's MO has always been you can never enough good LB's. Look at his '90 SB team with the Giants, he had six very high quality LB's:

LT
Carl Banks
Pepper Johnson
Steve DeOssie
Gary Reasons
Johnnie Cooks

So by no means by adding Adele will this mean he is done adding a top prospect at LB.

 

What is up with all the Dan Connor Banners? Geez. The guy isn't even on our team. And if he was, he'd still be an unproven rookie.

 

I guess I'm in the minority, but I don't like the trade at all, we trade a 4th for a guy Zach beats out and a backup TE, I'm sorry, but I just don't like it.

 

I've seen two on this forum, and what, you're not allowed to hope that your team drafts a particular prospect? If you'd look more closely you'd see the phrase "future phin" on both, of course he's not on the team yet, and may never be. I'm also hoping we go after Groves. Perhaps you missed all of the draft Matt Ryan, Chris Long, Gholston banners before Jake was announced as the pick.

 

IF Zach would beat him out. Zach could also be hurt for more games then he plays this year. And Fasano is backing up Witten so I dont see how that matters. Thats like saying Michael Turner isnt good because he plays behind LT.

 

Adele is a stop gap player for certain. but he isn't expensive i'll bet. and Fasano has skills. i remember watching him at Notre Dame and thinking he has an NFL future. plus true TE size and some blocking ability.

and if we need any other reason to pull for Fasano, i believe he is the cousin of one of our own from the old sight.

wasn't it brother Slappy who had some serious health issues in 2007? he suffered a stroke i believe?

well, i seem to recall that when Fasano was drafted that Slappy authored a thread and stated that Fasano was his cousin. and he had a signature with Fasano in it as well.

 

How do you know Zach would be hurt, you don't.

Fasano is a so-so TE, nothing to go crazy about.

These two players are band-aides that we gave up a 4th round pick for.

 

RELAX bro. They are wanting those players on the team and are showing it with their great graphics.

 

That sounds exactly like a band-aid to me also.Unless there is something else brewing that we don't know as of yet.

 

Fine, theres a high-percentage that he COULD be hurt given his history. One more concussion and that would probably end his career. So what happens if it happened in game 1? I dont know about you but I'll take my chances with Ayodele.

Fasano is a big TE that was a 2nd round pick in 06. I'm confident he'll beat out Martin(whos awful) and has a good shot to get ahead of Peele too. So that would make him more then a band-aid.

Bottom line is that theres a really good shot that both of these guys start for us this year. Thats a lot more value then we would of most likely gotten for that 4th rounder.

 

I truly believe Fasano will prove to be more than just a band-aid for this team. As Boomer stated, he was stuck on the depth chart behind one of the best pure TE's in the league. We have yet to see his full potential as a starter. He is surely better than anything we currently have at the position IMO.

 

What if Fasano fails to beat out Martin, Peele and Ryan? What do you think of him then?

 

To me, the Cowboys didn't want these guys and most likely would have cut one if not both, a 4th round pick seems steep for me.

I hope they work out, I just don't see it.
I would have rather draft a TE with the 4th pick and take Connor with the #32 as it seems he will be there, we would be younger and better off for the long run.

 

Wow, lots of negative ninnies concerning this trade. I like it. Two NFL caliber players for a 4th round pick which may or may not pan out. Both players are young and I think Fasano will turn into a good starting TE in NFL, especially as a receiver.

 

Welcome to the boards Marinomania! Glad to have you here with us.

 

I think Martin will probably be cut in the near future so I dont see much competition there. If he doesnt beat out Peele then I'll assume its because Peele is improving, not Fasano just doesnt have it. I actually really like Peele but I think he needs more time. Having Fasano and Peele sounds a lot better then Martin and Peele.

Watch Courtney Anderson have a breakout year. DOH

 

Thanks Alen........ Good to find another place to talk Phins football. I'm really excited about this draft.

 

Same here. You will like it a lot here.

 

I highly doubt they cut Fasano because he was drafted in 06 in the 2nd so he still had a lot of value and was a nice insurance policy in their depth.

Why would picking up Ayodele stop us from drafting Connor or another LB? We're running a 3-4, we need a lot of depth at LB.

And just like you said that I "dont know Zach will be hurt", you dont know that there will be a TE there in the 4th that will be any good or ever pan out. I certainly doubt we find a starter this year in the 4th. I'll take my chances on two starting caliber players instead of one rookie 4th rounder.

 

I have to say, feelthepain, i don't agree with a lot of your opinions, but I have a lot of respect for you for trying to keep this a civil discussion.

Thanks.

Bpk

 

I agree Slick. Obtaining AY doesn't rule out drafting Connor or any other LB in the 2nd round.

 

This was of course before the Fasano acquisition, but I've seen a few mocks that had us targetting Brad Cottam (TE Tennessee) in the 3rd.

 

Cottam had flashes of brilliance for the Volunteers. But he has undergone five surgical procedures and was also involved in a car accident that kept him off the football field at various times since arriving on campus in 2003. Along with his younger brother, 6-foot-8 Jeff, the Cottams gave the Volunteers the tallest tight end unit in college football.

Fasano sounds like a better choice.

 

I like Cottam, but I like Fasano/Ayodele for a 4th even more.

 

Right. I wouldnt be suprised if we took two more in the draft and hopefully one with our next pick. I think that aside from adding another guard, we'll be drafting heavy on D. I'm also hoping we dont take Henne or Flacco in the 2nd.

 

At the end of the day, what makes this trade work for us is that it's a 2-for-1.

Both players are probably good enough to start for us, but by getting both, we are pretty much guaranteed that at least *one* of them should play to their potential here.

Additionally, this is about having limited ammunition and lots of targets to shoot in terms of our # of picks versus holes on the team. When you have more targets than bullets, and you get a chance to hit TWO targets with ONe shot you have to take it. It's the smart play.

Insofar as assessing the talent, I can only go by what I have heard, as I have never paid attention to fasano nor Ayodele on the field. On the one hand, they both sound like they should compete for starting spots. The argument that they were behind very good players, and that Fasano is still young give me optimism about the pick.

At the same time, it's a valid concern that Dallas was willing to let Ayodele go in lieu of Zach... giving up a younger player for an older, injury-risk player in Zach makes me wonder. Obviously Ayodele was unhappy with Zach's presence there in Dallas, judging from his quotes about not conceding the starting 1st string spot (though that confidence and competitiveness is good too). I wonder if, beyond the Zach issue, he was ever a locker room attitude problem? I doubt it, or Bill, with his all-seeing eye, would know about it and not have acquired him.

fasano's only worrisome factoid, as I see it, is the tidbit mentioned earlier in this thread about him conceding snaps to a rookie TE this year. One has to wonder why? That is, assuming it's a fact?

Bpk

p.s. - I predict we'll pick a Punter and a Place kicker with our 2nd round picks. Maybe *that* would please people around here.

 

This is about economics for the Cowboys as well. They are trying to get Pacman in a trade, they've alread paid Zach and they've got 2 1st rounds picks to pay.

I don't see a concern that Dallas was willing to let Ayodele go in lieu of Zach. The Cowboys are in a position to compete for a Super Bowl right now. Getting a Pro Bowl vet like Zach for a run at the trophy and giving up a younger LB is a gamble a lot of teams are willing to make when they feel they are close.

 

I was reading some of the posts on the Dallas board and it looked like this move cleared a lot of room for their cap.(probably since Fasano was a 2nd, im sure he had a decent number) They were also speculating that they would try to move up for McFadden now with more picks and money.

 

if mcfadden falls past the jets i can see jerry jones trying to pull the trigger on a deal for mcfadden