BINGO! and why? Because they got a QB but dont worry we'll see soon enough Ricky wont retire and the Pats are notorious for picking up older players. Wes Welker was ****e here but he excelled in new england why? because they got a qb! Bam
So, you guys think Ricky would have averaged 6.6 yards per carry? Because I can tell you right now, he wouldn't have gotten more than 230 carries throughout the season in New England. Or do you guys think, with Ricky, the Patriots would have completely switched up their gameplan and gone with a full rushing attack, where Ricky touches the ball 350 times, thus equaling 1500 yards with his 4.2 average?
You would have a point if Ricky said the difference between the two was "They have a great QB". No, it was simply "They have a QB" meaning, we...dont!
Ricky breaks the big ones and he still has gas in the afterburners there have been many times when he has tripped over his own players over his own feet due to tight squeezes and other time when he just straight trips. He could definitely avg 6.0 yard per rush, he might not get 1500 yards but he would definitely do better their than here. Brady keeps defenses on their toes, Brady makes Jarvis-green look like a stud.
if Woodhead can average nearly 6 Ricky could too. The thing that makes their RB's is not Brady, but rather their O-Line.
How can anyone take Ricky and his commitment to football seriously based on his history? As many have said, the cat is interesting and, different, and, not all that concerned about X and X...... That's fine and good, but...That comes with a cost. Don't try to play management when you've spent your line of credit being a destroyer of the same.
He's a great player but he's always played to his own tune. I was able to forgive him when he left us high and dry in 2002 and I still like the guy. However, a coach he is not and his criticizing Sparano and the methods used by Sparano, without saying one word about Henning, is all I need to know about his "management" credentials.
You have to have some basis to believe. You can't just say "Here...Believe this" and expect men to follow you. I'm all about leadership. I know it when I see it. Ricky isn't one, so he should pretty much be silent, IMO. Danceing to a different drum is popular, but, when you, as a Running back leave a team because of A. Your enjoyment of the game or B. You're getting the ball too much...Well, then, don't expect that men are going to follow you. When you refuse the ball because you get the ball too much? No. Just doesn't compute with me.
More proof Sparano coaches scared. He can't get past his 'whatever you do don't make a mistake' mindset. Why in year three is he harping so much on these basic things? You coach your team like they're losers I guess they'll go out and play like losers. We definitely saw that this year.
Those that actually think the only problem with this team this year was the QB position have an incredibly myopic view of the situation.
As an argument for a coaching staff maximizing production from players with limited talent? You listed a couple pretty talented players to be quite honest. Wake has unlimited talent. It's obvious he's a playmaker. Ingonito's talent wasn't really ever a question, it was his temper. Starks has done nothing special and took a big step back this year. There was no point made with this and why you'd even be chiming in on this is puzzling because again, according to you coaches make no difference on the outcomes of games or player production. If you really believe this why would you be offering names of players you think the Dolphins have maximized production out of with their system? You are contradicting yourself.
The point is lost. The point being: a guy with nothing to lose - but also nothing to gain; a guy known for speaking his mind without the usual bull**** filters - called out Sparano for what he is: a very bad NFL Head Coach. End of story.
Right. I mean, of all people, Ricky....Nah. Like you, I forgave the betrayal, and I really in lots of ways admire him...but he's spent is line of credit, IMO.
I didn't read anything that said Ricky thought Sparano is a bad HC. Again, I don't see how people are getting that Ricky somehow said Sparano is not a good coach. What I got out of this was Ricky saying that he disagrees with Sparano's philosophies. He then described some of those philosophies and to be honest, they seem to be a lot like Bill B's philosophies. Ricky is a player. He's a strange guy. He is likeable, but he's not a coach. He will probably never be a coach. He's not a "leader". He's not a motivator. He's not someone I would take advice from concerning Head Coaching duties.
I disagree. You just watched 16 weeks of football never seeing one pass thrown by the starting quarterback to the post versus a 2 safety concept. Furthermore....... 13 Weeks of Post-Corner Deep Across 13 Weeks of three tiered-dig concepts 13 Weeks of High low Y-break isolation 13 Weeks of three-streaks concept 13 Weeks of four streaks concept 13 Weeks of Cross concept 13 Weeks of under concept along with 13 weeks of "and more"....... ............and every one of them was thrown to the underneath route. It's a myopic view not to recognize that this leaves 5 defenders underneath to defense the run. Why only 13 weeks? Three teams were dumb enough to play a single high safety against this team. Now where is my evidence to prove this? It's on Tyler Thigpen. Tell me when you saw Chad Henne throw this versus a 2 safety concept. There is an entire season worth of highlights on the fellow. It shouldn't be too hard to find. Find it.... Cross Concept: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-fantasy/09000d5d81d645cb/QB-Thigpen-to-WR-Marshall-27-yd-pass Four Streaks: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-fantasy/09000d5d81d6529a/QB-Thigpen-to-WR-Bess-21-yd-pass-TD http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d81c3a166/Hartline-grabs-a-pass-for-24-yards High/Low Y-Break Isolation http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-fantasy/09000d5d81d62f68/QB-Thigpen-to-WR-Moore-29-yd-pass It's been the same thing all year. Chad Henne had to throw the ball deep. He never did. He checked it down and check it down. The myopic view has been that this kid was kept under lock and key. The myopic view is that he needed more help from the running game. Well I ask you. What did he do to assist the running game? Did he throw OVER a linebacker? Did he throw NEAR a safety in Cover2? The staff has said "the offense is the offense" to much critism. Tyler Thigpen (who is NOT the answer) came in for essentially one game (in two) and showed YOU what was there DEEP. Did Chad Henne ever do that? No, Chad Henne turned this thing into dink and dunk and by doing so he left 5 underneath defenders to defense run. Chad Henne didn't progress. The issue here is that some of us married ourselves to an idea about the offense EARLY on in the season with the hope that it was NOT Chad Henne. Tyler Thigpen showed you what it was. It was 13 weeks of what Chad Henne had put on film. Throw the ancillary issues out. Concentrate on the football. You'll see what I mean.
I have concentrated on the football. It shows a much bigger problem than JUST QB. Our first game we barely even used our QB and we had zero success on offense. Didn't see Henne missing blocks or cuts into open holes during the Vikings game. The offense as a whole sucked royally and underperformed all year. That points to a much larger problem that you'd only see if you were concentrating on all aspects of the game.
That's what I have done. I've concentrated on ALL aspects of the game. I didn't look for excuses for one guy. Five weeks ago I looked at the schedule and said he has AT LEAST four opportunities (Jets excluded by man coverage) to prove me wrong. It only got worse. You look at this guy and where he failed to perform. You'll see where HE killed other aspects of the game. The thing I don't understand is that we ALL understand the importance of this position in the NFL. They made it that way by numerous rule changes. It seems to me that we spent a season looking to help him rather than focusing on where the offense could improve. I'm just the guy that did what you said. I looked at ALL aspects of the game. I didn't look for "How can we help Chad Henne?" I looked at what's slowing us down. I looked for the problems. After 16 weeks of football I can say without a doubt, the position is a gigantic problem.
Right.... b/c QBs, especially young ones, should be capable of doing it all by themselves. They should be able to overcome having 2 WRs and a TE who wouldn't start for a handful of colleges. Thigpen didn't show anything other than he took a chance throwing to guys downfield who were covered, and if a LB didn't fall down, the catch by Moore might have hit the defender in the chest. IIRC Marshall got 2 jump balls- one he caught, and one he looked completely lost on just as he has on other deep balls this year. I'd like to hear you say that you feel Bess, Marshall, Hartline, Fasano, Moore, Wallace, Shuler, Ronnie, Ricky, and Cobbs are LEGITIMATE, trustworthy, downfield threats. Maybe if you combined Marshall's size with Wallace's better deep speed and Bess's hands & body control into 1 player, than we might actually be onto something reliable here.
Your argument definitely has to be considered and is plausible. I just have 1 simple yes/no question for you: Regarding the philosophy, game-planning, and identity that a coach/OC create and instill in the offseason, do they want this to be consistent with how their regular season begins?
My comments are in the Rants folder. That was my first post on this forum. I look forward to chatting with the rest of you and enjoying the rebuilding of our once proud and storied franchise.
I don't understand the question. Clarify..... ......and you'll probably receive a reply tomorrow. I'm not typing on that damn phone again and this forum just doesn't read the same as sitting in front of the laptop.
How you prepare your team during the entire offseason (your philosophy, game plan etc) and the identity that you want to create...... is this what you want to see from your team when the season begins? Basically, are you going to begin your regular season the way you practiced and drew it up in the offseason?
Exactly. A #1 wide receiver who isn't dependent on any other skill players on the field to where he can consistently create his own opportunities.
Man, this series of questions can lead to one thousand OTHER topics.......and I don't want to lead you OFF what you were getting at. So "X" marks the spot. If I don't hit it or even come close to it, go back to your thought. You said "you" in your questions. So here it comes. X I probably have a unique persepctive around here as I have built teams. I've built teams (or been a part of building teams) for 10 years. You didn't hear much from me last year because that is what I was doing in the preseason and during half of an NFL season. I ain't trying to gloat here. I'm just providing background for the rest of what I will say. My experience in coaching has never been above 12th grade and I didn't even enjoy those two seasons. The varsity season is much too long (and too many hours in a week) for a fellow working a real full time job. So I'm a youth coach. I like it. I like it because it ends on Thursday night and I have three days (on my own) to review film. I'm not up at the school on Sunday reviewing film (that I already reviewed Saturday) with an HC explaining how we are going to fix this mess. Now I'm not saying ALL Varsity staffs do what I what I had to do during those two seasons. I just know that if they are not doing it, they are going to suck and continue to wonder why they suck. You could travel around the country and find less than 10% of high schools that invest the time that winning coaches apply to the endeavor. So I commend those fellows that ARE doing the work. So why did I just tell you that? I told you that because in my opinions, I project what I left in Varsity football to the upper levels. You asked about philosophy and what I'm going to tell you about it is "they all work." I've watched teams from high school to the college level make them work. You can be as simple as you want and as long as you are very good at it - you will win. You can be as difficult as you want and as long as you are very good at it - you will win. It's when you are not good at what you do that you lose. My opinion differs about the NFL. In the NFL, you ain't fooling nobody. In the NFL, the 60 hours a high school and college COACH puts in a week is now MATCHED by the players. The NFL coaches are probably putting in 100 hours a week. So what do you make of philosophy? It's pretty easy. You have none. You practice the game and you play the game but you are ALWAYS working on the DETAILS - the details that Ricky Williams was just complaining about. Let me take you back to your original question though because I do have a high school philosophy. It's the main reason why I found myself focused on the defensive side of the ball. I got into coaching and thought offense was the winner. It's not. Defense wins football all the way to the NFL. The NFL changed the rules to make offense win. College has been following the NFL with the rule changes and that has made it about a 50/50 split of winning football. What I find ironic is that in the NFL they take the skirt off the quarterback in the PLAYOFFS. They allow the men to play football. I think in some secret close door meetings they have said, "We've got to get the STAR to the playoffs. The playoffs can then sell the playoffs." And then they proceed to kill the quarterbacks. I'm rambling..........long night. So I go into a season with a philosophy. It's a run the ball philosophy on offense and this is where I think I'll get to your point. I had a good HC that I worked for while coaching Varsity. I personally thought the guy was an obssesive compulsive disorder. Naw, he was just a little more obssesive compulsive than me. Why do I say that? Well we know when footwork is good. We know when footwork is bad. We know when mess points suck. When know when we can't complete a freaking pass. And we know when we're just soft. It's everything. We are looking at everything and to be honest - there is not enough time in the day to fix all of it. So eventually you look at what you've got in personel. You look at what you've got in time left before the first scrimmage. Then you make a choice. Do you steal time from one element to give to another? Or do you just say - "It is what it is" and then go with it. As I said, I think this guy was a little more obssesive compulsive than most. One of the main reasons I say that is because I had to tell him about his offensive line - "Look, that's about as good as it's gonna get. We have run out of time. We have to get ready for a game." And that entailed moving on to special teams, substitions, and packing in some more offensive plays. Some crap that you want in the preseason just gets dropped. Then you go back to it never really feeling good about dropping it to begin with. You may be reading this thinking it's alot of hobbly, gobbly high school wash. WTF does it have to do with the NFL? Don't rush me. I'm getting to it........ Have you ever read how much time a college athlete practices? It's really not alot more than a high school athlete in the proper program. So what do you think happens with that guy? Much of what I just described is happening in College. There probably are not many coaches ever satisfied with their offseason programs. None-the-less they build a program to maximize their time. But there stuff is centralized on offense and defense and eventually stuff is dropped from the installation process as I just described. So (for me) the question is "What do you receive in the NFL draft?" IMO, you receive an athlete. You receive an athlete that can run or pass - block or tackle. What you make of his mind after that event is really the totallity of your investment. Sure you are going to make his footwork better. You are going to make the use of his hands better. You are going to make everything BETTER just by the workload that a PRO must endure. It's the mind that changes that makes a team better. The sad thing is that the majority of the players never know it until they are 30 and their body is leaving them. So let me start tersing this thing in effort to get back to having SOMETHING to do with the thread title and maybe (just maybe) get to some of the things you mention such as "game plan" and "identity". I'm going to throw some things out there and remember that I did give you the terse warning......... There have been many critisms of this offense this year. Uh, er.....That's an understatement. But think of this... John Jerry - Do you remember watching draft diaries where linemen say that they lost over 30 pounds in their first year? We are busy writing the book on this guy after a rookie season. You know, he's part of the offensive line Tony Sparano destroyed. Joe Berger - Have you ever wondered why guys go back and get their guys? Could it be that they know a little about their work ethic, strength, hand placement, and knowledge of YOUR line calls? Richie Incognito - Where he came from in the Tony Sparano world I don't know. I could think of a number of reasons why he went and got him. The dude showed talent. He just had no control. Tony seemed to get that out of him. Marlen Moore - You ever wonder why so much speed is on the bench? Go back to what I was saying was "dropped" in high school and then "dropped" in college. You want to know why a team goes out and get Kevin Curtis and then "drops" him. I've got a little curiosity about it. It goes with the next Chad Henne observation. Chad Henne - What did he actually KNOW when he got here? Did he know coverages? Did he know zone blitz? Did he know that the linemen in the NFL are as fast as some of the linebackers he faced in college? Are you going to throw it all at him at one time? Or are you going to say - Here is the route package. If you get X,Y or Z coverage it's a bad call. Check to this run. Here is the route package. If you get A,B, or C coverage it's a good call. "Now what we are looking for is the movement of the safety in this package. If the safety moves here, the corner should go there. If the corner doesn't go there, the linebacker will be elsewhere." And that's ALL after you have taught where body positioning of the secondary will guide you to what the actual coverage will be. "Having said that, don't forget that they are attempting to fool you neither. Go thru the read progression." ........and the staff is presently get trounced for TEACHING the guy. Now let's get back to Marlen Moore. How much do you think HE learned in College? Do you think he knows - "They break in, you break out" on a given pattern and can be on the same page as Chad Henne? Do YOU trust that? Do YOU trust him? And it's not a matter of just trusting him in a classroom. It's a matter of trusting what you have seen in numerous drills on numerous days on the field. So maybe Kevin Curtis was a little "shout out" of what Marlen Moore did not know. Maybe Kevin Curtis was a little "shout out" of how much knowledge Chad Henne may be nearing. Now I'm going to stop mentioning names here. The only reason to mention them is to background of the moving parts and the problems with those parts. Nick Saban came in here and hired 22 coaches immediately. What do you think he was thinking? Do you think he didn't think he had the athletes? I tend to think that he wanted knowledge by all the staff he toted. What did these guys (Sparanos) do? They built a veteran staff. They brought in kids. Then they preceded to teach them. Well enough? Probably not. Long enough? Certainly not. So what's my game plan in the NFL? I don't know but I can't complain about a guy that runs what you don't expect. I also can't complain about a guy limiting a guy with limited knowledge. That's Brandon Marshall's mistake to make. What's my identity in the NFL? A winner. Built through the only way that I know how to win. When someone shows me a better way, I'll use that one. You've got alot to feed off there. Swing away or go back to X....
Unbelievable...literally, did not drop back, let Marshall run a true post, and launch, not once.....wtf....This from a guy that has lethal arm strength...That boy is messed up in the head.
Yeah Marshall who put up 1014 yards in 14 games with a bottom 5 QB in the league throwing to him and the leagues worst OC calling the plays is the problem. Let's get a QB who can read the route and puts the ball on Target as the WR is coming out of his break! Henne is always late in his delivery because he isn't confident enough to throw to a spot before the break, giving the WR a chance for yac. Instead he waits for the break throwing after the route has developed and the defender closes.
