Marshall got the coverage look he believed he could be successful with, single high, small cb matched up on him, he told Thigpen that if he got that look he would run a go route instead of a in route as the play called for..he did so 3 times..dropped one caught the second one for 27 yds and the 3rd one he drew a 40 yd pass interference flag. So he got to the sidelines and QB Coach David Lee and he got into an argument.
He also said Henne goes through his reads no matter the matchup which explains a lot to me. That is why the offense lacked chemistry as how can you develop chemistry with players the scheme is telling you not to look for? Which is kind of why I liked Thigpen.
I'm beginning to think most if not all of the offensive staff needs to be canned!! Lee for this reason alone. Thanks for the Wildcat Lee, but this is rediculous!
Simple solution fire him....I'm serious...I dont like Lee anyway...that guy could develop an STD banging some chick from Thailand...
I'm still hedging my bets that Henne was coached to "go through his reads, no matter what". He just looked ...off.... compared to Henne of 2009. Maybe just my eyes deceive me...Thiggy plays faster, but looks almost hyper... Like I said in another thread..Henne has no instinct...Thiggy has no brain
Even though Marshall is right, he is a bad soldier, fo rsure for constantly sniping at the staff and now disregarding their calls. Those who say he has no attitude problems, show me when Bess ever punting a ball in frustration in practice, threw another off the field in digust for a penalty in a game, tossed one to a buddy on the sideline for another penalty, gave less than 100% on balls thrown poorly towards him resulting in INTs, complained on the radio about play calls not putting him in a position to succeed, refusing to endorse his QB and even yelling at him on the sideline then cozying up to the back-up, and telling the media that the coaches comaplin when he calls his own routes (surprise) and that Henne doesn;t know how to throw to him. Oh, I forgot him hinting that he doesn;t think he and henne will develop chemistry. Talk about a spoiled kid. Jesus. Now, he may be right about 70% of that stuff, but it's disgusting for him to tell the PRESS about it. This is the kind of guy who'd argue in front of the kids, or worse yet, at the company Christmas party for all to see. NO concept of keeping dirty laundry in house and it's a spoiled attitude that only divides the team further by making it okay to be against each other. THIS is the kind of stuff that hurts a locker room and a team. If I am Ireland, I try to trade Marshall, despite his prowess.
idk. I mean against GB it didn't look like Henne was going through any reads. It was drop back, if Marshall is one on one with Tramon, throw it. If Marshall is doubled, go through reads. I kind of like that out of Henne. That almost proves to me he is more polished and more developed than people think. A big problem for young QBs is not going through their reads and forcing too many throws to their number 1 receiver. When Henne has time in the pocket, he can pick apart many defenses and prove it quite a bit this season. First few games, he had the most time in the pocket and he was pretty solid. Then things started to go down hill.
I see it the opposite way BPK, a great passing game revolves around chemistry, such breaking of the called play based on a look the defense is giving otherwise the Defense can easily manipulate the offense as the Qb is going to do the same thing every time. Marshall did have an argument and an explanation was required so he did not go Williams on the Staff.
Bess isn't an allstar WR. Bess is good but he's no Marshall, BM has a different additude, he's an energized dude, he wants to win, he wants the ball, what the hell is wrong with that? Lee is a goddam pencil pusher what the hell does he know. If Marshall said I can catch on this guy you listen to the goddam man, thats what you pay him 5 mil a year for. F*ck micromanaging Lee needs to go now!
Essentially, get rid of henne, henning, and lee. Keep thigpen as 2nd string and hope we find a good starter.
What a huge slap in the face to those who swore that Henne never took his eyes off of one receiver. I'm betting that Lee told Henne to just scan the field EVERY SINGLE PLAY. That would make since as to why Henne was late on a lot of his throws. Sometimes you do the scanning before you even take the snap. If the defense is giving you what you want you know beforehand where the pass is going.
This morning on the Michael Irvin Show, he said he likes who ever is getting the job done....he cant understand if he is 6'5 and the CB is 5'10, why the QB cant throw him the ball...i agree
this is exactly why i have repeatedly called for Henne to get this offseason to work with our WRs to actually develop some chemistry and timing ... that was certainly not done this past year - and it showed all season long. i still believe that Henne can be a decent QB, and good enough to get to where we need to go ... he just needs to UNLEARN everything he was forced to learn this past year under the Parcells commandments. I don't believe he was allowed to use any innovation, under the guise/threat of benching .... so he merely did what was directed. This is evident in comparing his 09 - 10 seasons .... i liked him better when he took risks and made some dunder passes in 09 vs the robot of 10. i want this entire offensive coaching staff G-O-N-E ... and after watching Sunday's game in person at Foxboro -- Sparano can walk too .... and if need be so can Nolan, because the D took the game off too -- that was the worst professional game i have ever seen = just no effort what-so-ever across the board.
Padre, there were several times during the 1st half when Marshall lined up 1 on 1 with a CB on the weak side of the field without S support, which 'could' have resulted in big plays .... but since the 'play' called for a pass to the strong side, Henne never even looked to the other side of the field. So whilst Marshall is a whiny baby, he does have a slight point. There were other times when he was the intended WR, but there was no way Henne could even see him (I know because I couldn't see Henne) .... so he threw it away, and of course Brandon got all pissy along the sideline .... it was pretty amusing actually to see it in person ...
I was saying this an awful lot about Henne when he had my full support. Why haven't we seen him grow? Why have we seen him regress? What have we been teaching him? Why aren't we fixing the problems? Why does Henne look so complacent on the field? There you go, part of the reason... When as the QB, you are supposed to take the bull by the horns and lead, and make plays, but you aren't allowed to, and you're essentially taught not to, and mistakes are made as a result of what you're told (and your own shortcomings in some cases too), you start to loose interest and mail it in. To me, just another example of poor coaching on the offensive side of the ball... Top to Bottom. Sparano to Henning, to Lee. None of them should have a job. We need someone who can work with Henne, and a veteran QB to come in and compete with him.
http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sport...its-to-drawing-up-his-own-plays.html#comments Omar does a nice job of covering the conversation, though I do think he slanted it a bit, Marshall did come out and say he preferred Thigpen per se..but all in all.
We knew what we were getting with this guy and you know it. I know it. We all know it. He has passion for the game and cannot stand buffoons. It grinds people's gears, but I honestly prefer a guy with this type of passion. His actions are idiotic/childish, however it is someone you want on your team so long as the pieces are in place ie no buffoons calling the shots. I said it before in previous posts, I think the guy got fed up with the OC/Coach and milked the injury.
This is what makes me think he has Randy Moss Disease.. he thinks (or it appears to me) he is bigger than the organization, Moss did this and we got a 3rd round draft pick for him.. (BB will not tolerate insubordination lol)
LOL at everyone saying stick to the script when Marino would constantly change Shula's plays, to the point of sending Duper on a fly pattern by just looking at him.
And THAT is how good offenses operate, the Qb and Wr's have to be on the same wavelength, that gives defenses fits as the formation tells them nothing.
Tis why things work so well with Peyton + Wayne, etc. Everything is calculated and altered per the situation, but performed beautifully. I concur Padre. Watching Luck and Fleener work it was impressive, albeit the D did him favors. Clockwork.
Just do not think Henne will ever be that sort of Qb, he will make reads and then fire the ball, but he has no soul so to speak. He would make a fine WCO QB imo.
Ahh thats different I myself was talking about the open argument against the staff on the sidelines.. a strong coach never allow ANY player get away with that.
I like Marshall and see no reason why he shouldn't speak up if he is seeing a certain coverage he can exploit on the outside. However, he is NOT the QB. I absolutely give the QB some leeway to change plays, patterns, etc. If Marshall is just deciding to change the route regardless of what his coaches, QB or anyone else thinks, then he can't get mad if he doesn't get the ball. Because perhaps he isn't as open as he thinks he is, or a myriad of different reasons. Having said that, Marshall does have an attitude and makes me roll my eyes a few times a season, but his talent still outweighs some of the idiocy he brings to the field and off of it. The o-line needs to be fixed. The qb needs to be fixed. The running backs need to be fixed. The wide receivers? Not so much, outside of speed. Marshall SHOULD be pointing out possible mismatches, but he should most likely NOT be changing the routes without his QB being on the same page. THAT is where the selfish tag and diva persona comes out.
If it was me i would keep henn as a 2nd string thigpen as third and find a true number 1 QB ,I think they both have some type of skill but not enough to be starters.
Brandon Marshall...what a rebel! Doesn't he know our offense is built on "chunk inches" and not "chunk yardage?"
How about we keep Henne until AFTER we find an upgrade? The only thing better than a bad job is no job at all. Just sayin.
Actually he did worse than "going Williams on the staff" Padre. Marshall decided to do his own thing on the field in complete and utter disregard to the coaching staff's wishes. It's worse. Ricky just talked about the inadequacies. Marshall flat out decided that the staff didn't know how to call plays to be successful and made up his own adjustments on the field. Which by the way really points a solid argument towards supporting what many have been saying about Henning and his inability to adjust or his unwillingness to adjust his game plans to put players in the best position to have success. It also presents an argument for the players losing faith in this staff's philosophies and leadership. They clearly lost at least one player so badly that he's making up his own adjustments on the field. These signs have been glaring all year.
Wow, players innovating on the field is all that? Marino and Duper would do that all of the time, did they lose confidence the staff? My larger point in all of this would be, as BM pointed out, Thigpen "gets it more" than Chad Henne whom imho would not consider such heresy as changing a play in the huddle to something the staff did not call..that would be risky.
I would bet that Henne "gets it". Henne was playing scared all season. Playing scared because of how the coaches treated him. He's also younger than Thigpen and had more to lose than Thigpen.
Sorry if I don't expect a second-year starter who was benched midseason to defy his offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach. I really just love the attitude around here. Read between the lines people. Marshall is saying that our OC and QB coach explicitly told our young QB that he could NOT make those adjustments. He didn't say Henne was incapable of making those adjustments. He said the offensive staff did not want him making those adjustments. So if you want to criticize, start with the staff. If, after that, you really think that Henne should have had the balls, given everything, to defy the staff, then so be it. I think that's asking a lot from the guy. Remember that Saban quote yesterday from Ricky? The one about worrying too much about mouse crap when you're surrounded by elephant ****? I think that's probably a microcosm of Chad Henne's season. To me, I see this as further proof that Tony Sparano, Dan Henning, and David Lee completely ruined this kid. Talk about "micromanaging."
Wow. The fact that David Lee was mad that we got chunk yardage tells you everything you need to know about this pathetic regime.
You know who should be really pissed? Stephen Ross. He goes out and pays millions to bring Marshall here, and this micromanaging staff is so anal about things being done exactly as they want it to that they don't even allow Henne and Marshall to audible to go routes in single coverage? If I were Ross, I'd call up Sparano, Henning, and Lee the moment I read that and fire them all. Don't give Henning a chance to retire. He deserves to be fired.
Padre.... are you really going to argue that a player overriding playcalling on the fly is not a huge deal. I can tell you it is without a doubt especially with a crew like Sparano and Henning who clearly did not want audibles to be a part of this offense during this season. Marino, Duper and Clayton had carte blanche from the coaching staff to change things on the fly because you had a superstar tandem. This is not the same situation. Marshall pretty much told them and their phiolosophy approaching games to F'off with these moves. Making this a QB issue is missing the picture of what Marshall is rebeling against. Not to say I agree with what Marshall did but he clearly lost faith in how the offensive staff was using him.
Thigpen "gets it" in Marshall's eyes because he targets him more often. B-Marsh is a diva, whoever decides to chuck the ball up, consequences be damned to him and only him will "get it." It doesn't mean it is right. So far, Marshall has yet to find a QB that fits his style of football. That is to say, throw to him and only him, regardless of coverage. This should bring up another point too. How many times did Marshall improvise which led to an incomplete pass or an interception by Henne where we all wondered where the hell he was throwing too? Again, i think it is a great thing that Marshall is actively finding opportunities that he thinks will help this team, but his methods of going about exploiting them are all wrong. But that aside, you do have to look at the coaching staff and wonder why the hell they either didn't see it themselves, or chose to disregard it. I am not sure how much of this can be blamed on Henne to be honest, unless you are just in the business of dumping on him for everything, which seems to be the popular movement at the moment.
Well, all of this opinonatin' aside, I have to wonder if the order came from Ross to land a #1 Wr at the best price possible simply because he wanted one on the team? Marshall is fundamentally correct, he is a better more effective player when he can improvise with the Qb, and yet the staff never deemed fit to allow for it, long story short, maybe Marshall was foisted on the Staff and they treated him like a larger version of Camarillo?
Previously, Cardinals Larry Fitzgerald held that honor by making $10 million per year as the highest paid receiver of all-time. Marshall signed a four-year $47.5 million extension with $24 million in guaranteed money.
