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8 Million Dollars and Jeff Ireland are all that stand between Miami and Bill Cowher

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by vt_dolfan, Jan 3, 2011.

  1. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    While the Miami Dolphins are busy cleaning out their lockers in Davie, a prospect for new coach wants the team owner to clean house.

    Bill Cowher has been rumored for the past few weeks to be really interested in bringing his talents to Miami Gardens, but now a report has surfaced that the former Pittsburgh Steelers coach would have a few conditions before meeting with Stephen Ross.

    One, of course, is a given. Current coach Tony Sparano has to be fired. But Cowher wants GM Jeff Ireland gone too, according to NFL.com.

    The report quotes a source close to Cowher, who claims the CBS football analyst wants total control of football personnel decisions and about $8 million per year to right the ship in Miami.






    http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/sports...-Firing-Sparano-Ireland-Source-112827059.html
     
  2. DolfanJake

    DolfanJake Banned

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    I'm for it. DO IT ROSS !
     
  3. Jaj

    Jaj Registered

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    I really like Ireland's draft record. I like it enough to give the job to Gruden or Harbaugh. Even with 2009's second and third round busts, the team is considerably more talented each year.
     
  4. Wildcat23

    Wildcat23 Here kitty kitty

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    If anyone touches Nolan....Ill be pissed as ****.
     
  5. NJFINSFAN1

    NJFINSFAN1 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Ireland is not going, Cowher is not coming.
     
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  6. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    keep dreaming cowher
     
  7. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    Yep and this idiotic organization is going to blow a perfect opportunity to land a real head coach. Instead this dog and pony show will put a band aid on their *** again and go on the cheap and easy. It pisses me off. :angry:
     
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  8. mor911

    mor911 pooping

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    I'm pretty sure if it were that simple he'd be here.
     
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  9. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    What exactly has Cowher done to be in charge of player personnel decisions?

    What are his qualifications for doing that job?
     
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  10. DolfanJake

    DolfanJake Banned

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    Yeah that final record reflects it too :headwall:
     
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  11. DolfanJake

    DolfanJake Banned

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    Maybe he plans to bring in someone to do that for him, and let him concentrate on the X's and O's
     
  12. The G Man

    The G Man Git 'r doooonnne!!!

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    If I'm Ross, I do it and don't look back. Ireland hasn't inspired as much confidence in me as some of you all. Hell, he obviously doesn't know an NFL caliber QB when he sees one. So, why not let Cowher have full control? Honestly, could he do any worse?
     
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  13. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    He built a championship caliber team in the Steelers twice during his tenure.
     
  14. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    I can guarantee you this:

    Dan Marino will be lobbying Ross HARD for a Cowher hire. Hard.
     
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  15. gunn34

    gunn34 I miss Don & Dan

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    No one knows who picked henne. Maybe Ireland said pick a QB first and Parcells said no. We don't kow. I do say if Cowher wants to hire his own Personnel guy, I would say OK to a point. Would this guy go and get the guys to fit Cowhers system and Cowher would just coach them, or would he just be a figurehead who does what Cowher wants. But if he wants to buy all the groceries and be coach too, I say no. Not for $8 mill per year.
     
  16. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    Quit screwing around with Jeff Ireland. I was ready for Parcells to be completely gone and for his boys to go with him.
    The TriFecta experiment failed. Burn it down and let someone else try it their way. How could it be worse than the last two seasons.
    Beside Cowher has won in this league and I hardly doubt you see him burning value picks on guys like Pat White, Patrick Turner and Jared Odrick.
    Get some football knowledge back in this place
     
  17. gunn34

    gunn34 I miss Don & Dan

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    Was he the personnel man there? I didn't think he was. If he was, then I change my mind and say do it. Because Pitt during those years had some very good talent.
     
  18. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Also....Ross has got to be thinking about TV exposure for the Phins. A Cowher hire probably means at least one more Prime Time game next season....and the thought of Cowher going head to head against Bill B twice a season isnt an unpleasant one.
     
  19. gunn34

    gunn34 I miss Don & Dan

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    Maybe Dan can get a job here again for more then a week this time.
     
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  20. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    Problem is these are just rumors. How do we know anything except what people are throwing out there? People sare pissed at Ross for not going after Cowher but how do we know he isn't? How do we know Cowher actually wants to come here? We don't and won't know anything that goes on behind the scenes. You just have to let it play out and get behind whoever gets the nod, including Sparano.
     
  21. padre31

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    Odrick? Really?

    Cowher has never been a personnel guy, and after 3 HC's had the "czar" role, and all failed, please use your football knowledge and explain why this time it will be different?

    JJ won how many super bowls?
     
  22. muscle979

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    Cowher obviously just wants to bring in a personnel guy himself that he could trust. I say let him do it. I can't take another season like the last two.
     
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  23. jetssuck

    jetssuck I hear Mandich's voice...

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    Well prior to being Parcells puppet/GM here, the only experience Irish had was being involved with building a mediocre team.....and here was more of the same.

    In hindsight, the Dez Bryant/Marshall situation alone should be enough to get rid of him. That was a very costly misjudgment on his part.

    And while I'm not in favor of giving any coach personnel control, I'd trust Cowher over any of the cronies Fraudcells brought in here.
     
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  24. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    A good look at Bill Cowher

    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/CowhBi0.htm
     
  25. Shamboubou

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    1 championship in how many years?? I'm not sure I can stand another year of run, run, pass, punt offense. I want somebody in here that can run a high power offense that can keep up with the Pats and the other top scoring teams in the NFL. Cower is nowing more than a name, might as well keep Tony Sparano if we are going to go with Cower.
     
  26. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    After doing some more reading...

    I think Total Control is kinda a misnomer. Cowher doesnt seem to want to be the one to do the front office work...but he wants to be able to be the one who decides who that person is. A setup similar to what he had in Pittsburgh is the thought.
     
  27. DOLFANMIKE

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    I really like him as a person alot. I think he'd be good for Miami, although he may not be the best coach available, he is good enough and he may be the strong personality that would allow Ross to make the franchise more marketable.

    I think he could exsist with Nolan too.
     
  28. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    After Tom Donahoe went to Buffalo Cowher was pretty much the guy picking the personnel. Before that time he had a big part of who he wanted on the field. Cowher stuck with Stewart too long and that is why Donahoe left originally.
     
  29. muscle979

    muscle979 Season Ticket Holder

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    Bill Cowher is a hell of a football coach. Nothing Jimmy Johnson, Dave Wannstedt, or Nick Saban did or didn't do will change that. You don't say no to a guy with his coaching ability who is still relatively young because of some crap other guys did in the past.
     
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  30. adamprez2003

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    well Ross has all the built in excuses he needs to do nothing. He can now say I wouldve made a change but Harbaugh didnt want to come here and Cowher wanted too much. Now he can let Sparano stay and save the money he wouldve had to shell out if he made the change
     
  31. muscle979

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    Cowher is no better than Sparano.... Thanks, I needed a good laugh. He averaged 10 wins a season for a decade and a half. They were virtually always in the postseason mix. Two AFC Championships, one Super Bowl and then Tomlin won one later with much of the team he left behind.
     
  32. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    Come off that JJ thing man. You always live by the notion that when one thing fails it will always fail even in different situations. That is ridiculous.
    I've already explained to you the bad picks that were made during the TriFecta experiment. I'm ready to be done with the whole mess because it was a failure. Sure there is good talent on the defense but we need to see it maximized. I'm ready for a change and this would be a horrible opportunity to pass up. We leave this whole thing on the table and walk away and we get status quo. It would be a total destruction of this team.
     
  33. PhinsRDbest

    PhinsRDbest Transform and Transcend

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    If it fixes the problem then you have to do it. But if it doesn't I can't even conceive what would be next?
     
  34. Pbateman

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    Not saying I support Cowher in his aspirations to be in charge of player personnel, but his qualifications are the same as Parcells were when we hired him. Of course look how that turned out, so maybe we should stay away from coaches that want control when they haven't demostrated the ability in the past.
     
  35. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    That was my belief when Parcells showed up. I had my reservations and it came to life. Now we have to think about what is next. You keep trying to get better by moving on. Keeping Sparano isn't solving a damn thing..... A coach with no NFL experience? That is a bust too. Why would we want to travel that troubled avenue again. Gruden? Well maybe I guess if you must.
    Cowher is the big hire the Dolphins need right now and the timing is right.
    Hire a real football coach this time please.
     
  36. flynryan151

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    Everyone needs to remember the article on how Tuna and Ireland have blown $92,000,000 on free agents and busted draft picks! Ordrick is a failure! He was damaged goods when we drafted him that plate in his tib had a 60% chance of stress fracturing and it did. Vontea Davis hit a big time wall in the second half of this season, and should be Hakim Nicks! You don't rebuild at around a left tackle! Want proof Ryan and Flacco are playoff bound again, we are a 7-9 team without a QB! Then you have the Henne failure! Waste picks in White, Turner, Smith, Merling, etc. Signing injury prone Grove and Smiley then cutting them for injuries. Wilford, Green, Akin, Dobbins, Sapp, McDouche, the list goes on! Way to many failures to keep anyone from the trifecta! No excuses Ireland was the GM and reports were Parcells gave him control last year. No excuses Sparano is the HC and the crap offense, game management, clock management, and crap on the field fails on his shoulders!

    The ****ing Lions have more wins in Florida then we do!
     
  37. frozenfin

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    Spend the $8 million a year on a high draft pick QB.

    Cowher is the guy who spent a 2nd round draft pick on Kordell Stewart, used him in the Slash role, then made him starting quarterback... FOR SIX YEARS!

    It took Cowher 13 years to invest in someone resembling a franchise QB. I don't want to wait until 2023 to get a real QB in Miami.

    The one year Cowher won the Super Bowl is the year he avoided facing the Patriots in the playoffs. Can't avoid the Patriots in this division.
     
  38. PHINANALYST

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    the PATSIES wouldn't be where they are without Pioli .... so I'm all for Cowher ... but there MUST be a personnel guy to come along. Pioli hasn't done too bad in KC as well with NE Central .....
     
  39. Finfangirl

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    Whoa man...back off the ledge!
     
  40. muscle979

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    Because the mistakes he made in the 90s when he was in his late 30s will surely be repeated. And despite those mistakes he still has a pretty impressive resume. These arguments against him are weak at best. He coached a team with Neil O'Donnell at the helm to the Super Bowl. Enough said.
     

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