Brandon Marshall not to sure about Henne and Henning

I agree with you about the drops. But I don't agree that he catches and goes down. That's simply is not true. He fights for yards all the time. Again, lets blame the drop in Marshall's YAC yards on Henning. Dude was a YAC machine in Denver for 2 seasons. You just don't lose that ability.

 

3 God Damn TD's and 2.5 YAC are sad numbers for this so called superstar. Brandon Marshall is a bold lie. A fraud. Not one of you player fans can change those numbers no matter how angry it makes you that I'm saying it. He is over rated and over paid. Good possession WR but he sucks as a playmaker.

 

Really? Brandon has over 80 catches and over 900 yards while being limited due to injury in 2 games and missing 2 more completely.

Let's not talk about production issues. Because he's produced plenty. Henne has no clue how to play in the redzone, and Henning has no clue how to call the proper plays either.

 

What does that have to do with TDs?

 

agreed. he just had a murphy's law type of year. whatever could go wrong went wrong

 

Catches the ball.... Fight for yards and goes down faster than a $10 hooker. Not sure what you are watching but it is constant. His longest play Sunday was 14 fuggin' yards. Is that worth 2 second round picks and $50 million. Doubt it.

Anyway I've given my opinion that Marshall is underwhelming. It pisses everyone off but it had to be said. No one else has the balls to admit we blew it. Chalk it up as another Dolphin mistake. We could write a book on these types of misses.

 

So I guess he just lost all his talent in 1 offseason. Because he had superstar numbers for 2 seasons in Denver.
If you don't see a direct correlation between Marshall's number dropping and him coming to Miami and playing Henning's offense. I don't know what to tell ya.

 

I gotta laugh outta that one. Good postage.

 

We have Bill Parcells telling national reporters that he's disappointed with Henne's development prior to Week 1.

We have multiple opposing players saying Henne is an easy read. That he doesn't take chances and can be forced into small ball.

We saw the head coach bench him 8 games into the season in favor of the veteran backup, citing the need for a spark offensively.

We have visual evidence of him misfiring or not seeing open receivers down the field.

We have seen receivers visually upset with him after misfires and on the sidelines.

We have seen the ultra conservative play-caller turn him loose and ultimately be repaid with turnovers.

That's a lot of evidence.

Marshall has to own his drops and his propensity to dance a little too much lately. But he didn't all of the sudden become a 26-year old, less-than-productive receiver on his own. A good quarterback elevates the play of others. And a mediocre one limits it.

We have a lot of problems on offense. But Brandon Marshall is way, way down the list of them.

 

thank you.

 

Brandon would have more than 3 TDs if...Chad Henne hit him on a wide open motion route against Minnesota, him him on fade pattern where he had position against Pittsburgh, hit Brandon Marshall just this last week on hitch and go where he was wide open against the Lions, and those are the ones just off the top of my head. He was also wide open for a TD on a long ball against the Bills. I don't count that in the category because although underthrown Marshall should have come down with it. It's still worth noting however.

A lot of defense has been given to Chad Henne because of the lack of playmakers. I think we should be cognizant of that when looking at his TD numbers--1) because of the lack of opportunities both as an offense down there and him individually but 2) due to the opportunitiesissed that are the fault of Henne's.

 

I said it before and I will say it again. The Curse of #19 Lives on....

 

Can't wait to get a legit QB in here so all you Clowns will immediately see, HENNE ****ING BLOWS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The entire free world sees it only the clown boys do not see it. Must be clown makeup in their eyes I guess. HENNE SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKS, Enjoy the NE game, its the last one Henne will ever start for Miami

 

You did it now, this going to another 8 page its not henne fault post.

 

right..where were all these flaws when Penny was our QB..?

 

The beat writers and Henne-haters are already trying to make a big deal out of this. My question, since Marshall's statement, has been this: what did we expect? Henne is a second-year starter, playing with Marshall for the first time. Henning is supposed to be this offensive genius that has been around football for 40 years because he just knows so much. So who is the bigger disappointment? I might have expected Henne to take a giant leap forward, but I entered the season mentally prepared for a sophomore slump. Considering the complete lack of help he's gotten from pretty much everyone else on the offensive side of the football, I've given him a lot of leeway. I'm not exactly sure what we can expect from a second-year starter in the circumstances that Henne found himself in this year. But I'll gladly accept that his numbers, shocking as it may be, have mostly improved. I'll take a 62% completion percentage and say the kid deserves another shot, at least to compete to keep his job. But Dan Henning? None of the excuses offered thus far really satisfy me. Thus, when I see Marshall criticize him, it means a little more to me.

 

2 reasons why he doesn't have great yac, first, his route tree in this offense is not condusive to it, and 2, I believe he knows he lacks speed, so his first instinct is to try to escape horizontally.

 

For some odd reason we can't seem to have a great team on the offensive side of the ball anymore. I don't know what it is. QBs not playing well, WRs falling down all the damn time, running backs that used to run people over consistently now go down after the first contact the majority of the time. Just watching these players of this past year has me really scratching my head. So many of our good to great players in the past have looked like garbage this year. Not just the rookies and new FAs. The whole damn team on offense looks like they have problems with their coordination. I don't know how many times I have yelled at the TV/Video Feed "Get these guys some cleats, something." To me, this type of thing falls on the training and coaching staff.

 

I'll note that I am not throwing stones at Marshall. I think his comments are completely understandable. He has every right to complain. But note that he didn't necessarily hop aboard the Orton bandwagon. He was quick to say Cutler had been his guy. But even then, they had some ups and downs before they got on the right page.

I really wish the straw-manning around here would stop. Even if I were to point out things like Marshall has not broken many tackles this year or dropped an easy 3rd & 5 last Sunday, I'm not throwing stones at him. I love the guy and have defended him from particular beat writers who have been drooling for a "diva" story all year as the team grew to be more and more of a disappointment.

 

How can you except that completion % when MOST OF HIS PASSES ARE WITHIN 5 YARDS OF THE LOS? Who COULDNT complete that amount. That is a huge part of the problem. 15 seconds left in the game on 3 and 10 and he checks down to throw a 3 YARD PASS. If THAT isn't inflating his own numbers, WHAT IS? That is the time to grow some and HEAVE IT......TO MARSHALL. The game is on the friggin line and you CHECK DOWN? 62%.............RIIIIIIIIIIIGHT.
Marshall is right on, on that part. Henne needed to grow up as a leader and make a play and do it because HE IS THE QB and is going to control his own destiny. I have posted this part before......If he wants the teams respect.......EARN IT. Take some chances. He plays like a little girl, afraid to get in trouble by the babysitter. Some of this comes from coaching, but some of it is because he is LISTENING to the idiocy. Checkdown football does not win GAMES....

Another point..................

Should Marshall catch every pass thrown to him? Even more so because of how much he is paid to do this, and because he is a PROFESSIONAL WR. But........find my one WR that NEVER drops a pass. It is going to happen. YAC is highly determined by the routes you are told to run. If you are running curls and outs, you dont get much YAC.........ever. You might break one every now and then, but it is rare. That part is not BMs fault. He is doing what he is told. Get with Henne on the sidelines and take ONE CHANCE during the game and run a fly route instead of a curl, when the opportunity presents itself, and you have it work know I will catch it for this, but I really believe it needs to be done. The players on the other teams have up figured out. They are not worried. MAKE UM WORRY. GROW SOME

 

I would not be surprised if Henne opens 2011 as the starter.

Good QB's don't grow on trees, though I expect us to try like hell to upgrade. And if we do land a young prospect, it's certainly not out of the realm of possibility that he's not ready to play and we couldn't corral a better vet than Henne.

 

Imo, your better than this MB, you provide great analysis for this board when you are just writing what you see...we might be right about our projection's of Henne, but iam gonna try not to call people names or insult their intelligence while doing so.

 

I absolutely loved the interview, especially the part where he said he's only gonna take two weeks off..I believe Brandon Marshall has natural leadership skills, if he goes loco in his training were going to benefit from the elite athlete.

Loved when he said that they have to become good before they become great..

Imo the reason why Marshall has a lot of drop is because he has no body catching ability...uses his hands at all times....there are situations in games where you must be able to supinate your hands and catch with the body to lower that number of drops.

 

Funny. I remember when everyone around these parts (or at FH) used to question just how good Tom Brady was because for his first few years all he ever did was dink and dunk and throw screens. But Bill Belichick was allowing his QB to develop, a concept that at times appears completely foreign to many on here. Brady also had guys like Kevin Faulk who took those checkdowns to the house. And Belichick catered his offense to the talent he had and protected his young QB.

And can I just go ahead and acknowledge that I am in no way suggesting that Chad Henne could be as good as Tom Brady. So please save the straw man. I feel like this place could go up in flames at any moment. All I'm doing is pointing out the differences between how Brady was allowed to develop and how Henne was (or was not).

 

??? they are the same links to the same article. but thank you anyway

I think henne is simply a bust & the only thing to honestly discuss is firing both Sparano & Henning, then finding thier replacements. I found it disconcerting & unexpected the support & intervention on Sparano's behalf with Ross by Parcells.
after firing Sparano & Henning we need to acquire the Franchise QB, then a pro-bowl quality Center & Pulling Guard

Garbage in Garbage out
can't make chicken soup out of chicken ****

 

Just for the record, the majority of most every QBs passes come within 10 yds or less. About 70% of Henne's passes are in this range, while the average % around the league is about 65%. Bradford, Brady, Kitna, and McNabb have a higher % of total passes going 10yds or less. Cassel, Schaub, Orton, Fitzpatrick, Bradford, Mcnabb, and Sanchez have a worse completion % in that 10 and less area than Henne.

As for arguing Henne's completion % is an inflated 62%, that would be true if every QB in the league didn't have an inflated completion % because of passes in that area. The only QB(s) who really bucks the whole trend is Philip Rivers and to a lesser degree Mike Vick.

 

Brandon Marshall, the last great official apologist has thrown in the towel on henne. its over...

 

He did not say anything bad about Henne. He used the word we all over the place and never said Henne could not ever get it done.

Good for him telling it like it was/is

 

The only out I give Henne is because I dont REALLY know if it is Henne or Henning. Brady was throwing to slants and other going away routes. Brady is throwing to the guys on HIS TEAM. He reminds me so much of Montana in how they play or played the game. Henne throws to outs and comebacks which are a dead end. You dont get YAC throwing those. When Henne got benched, it was reported he had a chip on his shoulder and wasnt going to take it any more. THAT.....lasted ONE GAME. I commented after THAT game that it was a fun game to watch because we actually THREW IT to a guy that wasnt on a comeback route. I also said I would believe there was actually a change when he could DO IT FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR. An attitude change needs to happen. We went aggressive FOR THAT ONE GAME. Did Henning change the playcalling because of Henne? That doesnt sound likely to me. It sounds to me like Henne stepped out and made some plays. After that, he went back into his shell. That is my problem with Henne. Plays are there to be made, he plays scared, or whatever you want to call it. He does NOT come across TO ME, as a leader. As has been said by others, he does NOT have that IT factor.

 

the only thing that is overrated is that you just cant stop talking about it and i´m so tired of it, that it will finally happen today....bye bye

 

Would you seriously rather have Henne on this team then Marshall ?? This is NOT an assumption,its a question.

 

It's chicken salad bro.......

 

Anyone who answers yes to that question undoubtedly losses all credibility. No questions asked.
Sorry if that sounds harsh but,-in his best ESPN talking head voice-, "C'mon, Man!"

 

very true

 

Henne is a first year starter. Brandon Marshall is a proven veteran who is supposed to be a play maker.
I'd love to see Brandon step up and make a play after the catch.
I totally understand Marshall is a possession WR but can he just break one once in a while.
As for your question I never really cared for the "would you rather have this player" thing. What I really want to see is someone come in here who knows how to develop a QB and then we will see if Henne can stick. Meanwhile we need more TD production from our #1 WR.
Last time I checked they are both on the Dolphins roster.