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I still can't believe 99% of Dolphins fans bash Henne

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by finsbuck719, Dec 19, 2010.

  1. CaribPhin

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    So Henning calling short routes for Bess and the RB's sum up Henne? When all he could do is kill it to a run. Really?
     
  2. MarinePhinFan

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    A 73% completion rate and an 87 QBR is far from "sucking".
     
  3. finsbuck719

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    He had 40 seconds with no timeouts from his own 20...Did you want him to throw incomplete passes out of bounds? What about the quick pass to Ricky on the sideline, where Ricky could have easily stepped out to stop the clock, but cut back instead to get the extra 1 yard and waste off 14 seconds? Again, too much blame is put on Henne.

    Staring down receivers is one of the big things he improved on this year from last year. He is going through all his progressions when he has time in the pocket and is checking down to his RBs and and other options now.

    The only thing I can say Henne lacks right now is the ability to move around in the pocket and confidence. And both of those are teachable. He has just as good of an arm as anyone in the NFL, he makes a lot better decisions that what he is credited for, and he is a winner. Still, 13-11 as a starter in the NFL or something like that, with a pretty average supporting cast around him both seasons.
     
  4. Stitches

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    He didn't play very well for majority of 3 quarters, even if I didn't think he "sucked."
     
  5. DaFish

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    I will give that post credit because Henning's playcalling is just crazy but I just don't see that fire in Henne. May I am just so pissed and hanging over the ledge here but I don't know if Henne is the answer.
     
  6. DHPVW

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    Yeh, Henne was very capable at one point to become a good if not great qb. If a qb comes into the league and gets nothing but worse, he either has completely failed because he sucks or has failed to progress because of sub-par coaching.

    Yes, it's possible that Henne just plain and simply has failed. Won't try to deny that. But with the plays I see called game after game, I lean to believe that the coaches have to be much at fault
     
  7. Stitches

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    Odds are that he isn't. I'd like him back next year, even if he doesn't end up the starter.
     
  8. MarinePhinFan

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    Nearly the entire offense, mostly because of play calling, didn't play well for 3 quarters.
     
  9. Stitches

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    I'd agree with that.
     
  10. emocomputerjock

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    He's not regressing. He's pretty much the same QB he's always been. Good against man, struggles against zone, ~60% completion rate with more INTs than TDs. He's not progressing, that's where the problem is. He's still making the same throws he has all year out there.
     
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  11. DHPVW

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    Henne use to have much more fire in his eyes. He is a young qb trying to get through ROUGH times. I use to see the players belief that Henne was their guy. That leadership was once there. It just seems to me that he has been put in an offense that is set up for lack luster plays and horrible timing on play calls. Henning just seems to me to ba a big bump in Henne's progression

    edit: If Henning can't call bigger plays with all the weapons on offense, that just proves to me that he has failed as an OC. Our offense was supposed to be one of the most powerful coming into the season and look at it now
     
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  12. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    horrible pocket presence and inablity to make plays if the wide receiver is not wide open is sucking.
     
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  13. MarinePhinFan

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    Henne almost never has a "wide open" receiver. And yet he has over a 61% completion rate for the season.
     
  14. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    That is bs, total excuse making. He had wide open receivers all day. It was the only time he could get them the ball. If wide receivers weren't wide open there is no way he would have over 61% completion rate for the season.
     
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  15. MarinePhinFan

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    Wrong. Watch the games again.
     
  16. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I did. I watched Henne be unable to throw to any covered wide receivers. I saw Fitzpatrick throwing bullets to receivers were were covered and that lead to big plays. Looked at a quarterback who is supposedly way worse than Henne make passes Henne could never make.

    I love all the amazing excuses you have to make to have Henne be a good qb
     
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  17. finfaninilinois

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    its not even worth arguing with any of you whether Henne is any good - there is always somebody blame when he sucks AZZZZZZ - he had 2 good drives today the rest of the game he sucked - gannon bashed him all game long - ut I guess he doesnt know what he is talking about either. All you guys brag abput his bug arm ut guess what he missed again on the long ball today - but I guess that was curtis's fault
     
  18. Muck

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    Yes, in that situation it's better if he just threw incomplete out of bounds rather than 8 yards inbounds. What is more valuable in that situation, 8 yards or 18 seconds?

    Ricky made a bad decision as well. He has to get out of bounds.

    I can see improvement in some areas from earlier this season. But I'm not seeing the almost-complete player you are. I don't see the intermediate/deep accuracy. I see bad decisions. I see him not finding the open man. What I don't see is him putting together consecutive good games.

    If he were 'that' good, our record would reflect it. It's not the end-all, be-all measurement of a QB. But we are a few plays away from a few more wins this season.

    He just doesn't have the 'it' factor that the big boys have. Three years later, we can say the pick should have been Matt Ryan.
     
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  19. Stitches

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    What QB is that?
     
  20. Muck

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    How about that INT into triple coverage over the middle at NY last week?

    It was almost as if Fasano wasn't also running wide open across the middle.

    I'm not trying to knit pick, but this is what problematic QB's do. They're not bad/inept all the time. Just more often than the good ones.
     
  21. Buckeyetroop

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    Once again relying on stats alone to measure Henne's
    performance. Truly amazing. Instead of reading the box score at the end, u should actually WATCH THE GAME
     
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  23. rdhstlr23

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    The stats mean nothing to mean. Chad Henne has missed open receivers all year long. He isn't good. I want another QB to compete with him next year.
     
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  24. CaribPhin

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    Didn't throw an INT last week.
     
  25. jw3102

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    While Henne didn't play as bad as he has been playing lately. He did miss wide receiver Curtis when Curtis was wide open beyond the Bills secondary in the first half. Henne also was given excellent field position by the defense at the end of the first half. The ball was right around midfield and Henne was unable to advance the offense into legitimate fieldgoal position. Instead his did not read the blitz and was sacked instead. Henne has a strong arm and that is about it. He really has no touch on the ball. He does not recognize defenses very quickly and his ability to move in the pocket is terrible at best. At the end of the game. He again was unable to move the Dolphins down the field so Carpenter would have an easier opportunity at a fieldgoal. I have attended every home game this season. Just as I have attended almost every home game over the last 40 years. I am not seeing a quarterback or a team which is improving on a weekly basis. At Michigan. Henne was never anything but an average college QB. In fact after he was the starting QB for four years. After his senior year. The longtime coach of Michigan was fired. It now looks like Sparano will meet the same fate. It appears the only thing Henne is really good at when it comes to his QB play is that the head coach is sure to be fired if he sticks with Henne. Now that the Dolphins are out of the playoffs. Sparano should bench Henne and let Thigpen quarterback the team for the last two games. I just hope the Bills decide to draft a QB in the first round this year. Perhaps if they do. Fitzpatrick will be availiable and the Dolphins can pick him up. He is a far superior to Henne as an NFL QB.
     
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  26. padre31

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    Monkey is a poor excuse for a Qb KillahP.

    No sugar coating, none of that "maybe he gets better" merde' I have watched each and every single snap that ****ing knucklehead has taken for the last two seasons, outside of his first 4 games, he is a liability in any meaningful sense of the term.

    Small wonder Tuna pulled the rip cord, as he did in 2000 with the Jest, and ironically enough, when Nolan was the DefCord.

    That asshat was outplayed by Jake Delhomme.
     
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  27. CaribPhin

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    So the wise reserved Padre was an act. You're just whining now.
     
  28. keypusher

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    I'm down on Henne because he's a terrible QB, though I haven't completely given up on him.

    Is this a trick question? How bad does a QB have to be before we're allowed to be down on him?

    "33/45, 276 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, sacked 3 times."

    Those are terrible numbers, by the way.
     
  29. padre31

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    No, I have come to a decision on Chad Henne, he simply is not the answer..he just isn't.

    To apply Shanahan:

    "There is nothing he can do in the last 2 games to change my mind"

    If Sparano is fired for buying what henne is selling, he should be fired as he has misjudged and hurt the Franchise in so doing.

    I will not start any threads about the need to replace the monkey, but to be sure, I am implacably against him starting a single more game in Miami and as long as he does I fully expect to lose that game.

    Clear enough?

    Finis.
     
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  30. keypusher

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    General observation: QBR for a single game is meaningless. It basically measures the ratio of TD passes to interceptions. I wish they wouldn't post it.

    But 45 passes for 276 yards? Awful. Maybe it's the fault of the receivers, maybe it's the fault of the OC, but as an objective measure of a passing game, it's awful.
     
  31. flynryan151

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    Chad Henne is the best young QB in the NFL ;-)
     
  32. Stitches

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    That's simply not true, and I find it sad that someone who doesn't share your opinion will be labeled as not being a fan.
     
  33. flynryan151

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    Sorry he is right! Henne just blows!
     
  34. MarinePhinFan

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    Again, I've never said Henne doesn't make mistakes. I said Henne needs more experience and to not blame our OC for the majority of our offensive problems is just wrong.
     
  35. Stitches

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    He didn't mention Henne blowing. I probably wouldn't have said anything if he said that.

    I would like Henne to finish the season, but if he was cut tomorrow I'd still be rooting for the fins to finish 9-7. So no, he's not right.
     
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  36. padre31

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    Agreed, I can respect someone's choice to support Henne moving forwards, and whilst I will sling verbal stones at #7, I won't bash anyone who chooses to support the man.

    For me, I've just seen what I need to see to come to a decision on Henne the Qb.
     
  37. MarinePhinFan

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    That's just nor correct. Of course it accounts for the TD/INT ration.

    Here is the formula and it's not just TD's and INT's:

    Divide a quarterback's completed passes by pass attempts.
    Subtract 0.3.
    Divide by 0.2 and record the total. The sum cannot be greater than 2.375 or less than zero.
    Divide passing yards by pass attempts.
    Subtract 3.
    Divide by 4 and record the total. The sum cannot be greater than 2.375 or less than zero.
    Divide touchdown passes by pass attempts.
    Divide by 0.05 and record the total. The sum cannot be greater than 2.375 or less than zero.
    Divide interceptions by pass attempts.
    Subtract that number from 0.095.
    Divide that product by 0.04 and record the total. The sum cannot be greater than 2.375 or less than zero.
    Add the four totals you recorded.
    Multiply that total by 100.
    Divide by 6.
    The final number is your quarterback rating.

    The QBR is far from perfect, but it's a pretty good way to measure a QB's performance as an individual. If it wasn't guys like Manning, Brees, Rivers, Brady, and Big Ben woudln't ALL have very good QBR's.
     
  38. flynryan151

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    Henne can finish the season who cares! We have no leadership so it is a wash! But even letting Henne compete as a starter next year is a joke!
     
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    If Henne does finish the season I'd much rather it be under a different OC.
     
  40. MarinePhinFan

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    I've watched the game more than once already. Your inability to comprehend my posts makes you look illiterate. I suggest you either don't comment to my posts or ask someone to explain them to you.
     

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