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Palmer will be leaving the Bengals

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by padre31, Dec 18, 2010.

  1. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/pos...y-cut-in-cincy

    Yep, you can see it coming, no whether or not he would wind up in Miami remains to be seen, I would suspect he "could" but only for a lesser contract than Pennington took in 2010, about 5 million if he started, 2 million if he sat.

    To me, I think he is servicable, I also think adding TO was a huge mistake for the Bengals offense along play calls that have Palmer trying to make throws that he really should not be making.

    A short out route inside the Bengals 35 yd line to a Wr who does not gain all that much seperation is a really solid formula for a pick 6 in the making...throwing to a TO who was doubled with Polamuala heading downhill behind the play is another really good formula for a pick 6...

    A couple of weeks ago I posed the question whether Carson Palmer would be a good fit with the Dolphins, and it appears he is moving closer to leaving Cinci in a mutually agreed on divorce, with Henne coming off of 155 yds passing and 5 turnovers (3 int's 2 fumbles) over the last two games, maybe time to revist the subject?

    It seems to me that "if" they decide Chad Henne is not the guy at Qb, this is a good yr to make such a move as the Broncos will more than likely not resign Kyle Orton, Shaun Hill is decent, and Alex Smith will also be on the market.
     
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  2. RGF

    RGF THE FINSTER Club Member

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    I wouldnt rule it out it might work bringing him here. Although,if we sit back and wait I`m sure we will read numerous reasons why it`s a bad idea since we have a QB already.
     
  3. Robert Horry

    Robert Horry New Member

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    No.

    Stop.
     
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  4. muscle979

    muscle979 Season Ticket Holder

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    He's looked pretty terrible this season. I don't know how he could help us unless it's some kind of health issue that could go away this offseason.
     
  5. Southbeach

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    I'm not a big Palmer fan but, he is better than Thiggy. I believe we need to resolve the OC first. Palmer or even McNabb "could" come into play. For me, I want to see Henne in his third year as a starter.
     
  6. Killerphins

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    Kyle Orton is signed through 2011.
    No thanks on Palmer the guy is done.
    I'd rather invest time in Henne's development.
     
  7. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Hmm when I checked Orton was in Denver on a 1yr 8.5 million dollar deal?

    I'd much prefer signing someone like Palmer to compete with Chad Henne rather than some Rook as a double dose of "crappy" is just extra crappy.

    Nope, you are correct Orton signed a two yr deal with 8.5 million or so guaranteed.
     
  8. godolphins

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    Seriously?


    No!!!
     
  9. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    As bad as Palmer has seemed to play based on highlights, his numbers are still better than Chad Henne's, and he is on a much worse team.
     
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  10. azfinfanmang

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    I could live with CP coming if the price were right.
    Having a boat load of rookies and unsuccessful QB's is a recipe for diaster.
     
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  11. vt_dolfan

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    Just not seeing the upside to it....why would he want to come here and potentially back up Henne? And then next year...Henne's first bad game we are gonna hear all over again the start Carson Palmer threads....

    If there is a clear upside to bringing in somebody else....by all means bring them in....I just dont see Carson Palmer as it.
     
  12. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    It was a one year extension through 2011 for 9 million. He was was already signed through 2010 when he signed the deal in August. Otherwise I thought he would be a great option for some veteran help and QB competition in camp. I doubt they would trade him and if they want to the comp would be way to pricey IMO. I do like Orton. Just not sure he would be worth what they would want. Unfortunately.
     
  13. Clipse

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    Palmer sucks. Orton sucks in any system other than McDaniels. And we don't run a WCO so say no to Kolb, McNabb, and Vick. Pretty simple.
     
  14. Disciple

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    Palmer has been absolutely terrible this year. The ONLY reason his stats are better is because he racks up useless yards at the end of games. I honestly can say Palmer is one of the worst QB's in the NFL this year regardless of what the stats say. Palmer has had only 4 big games this year stat wise.

    New England: Down 24-0 and then Palmer goes off in the second half. He had 80 yds in the first half with a pick 6 and fumble and 50% completion %. Cinci was never in the game.

    Cleveland: Best game of the year. Completed 3 bombs for half his yardage and lost two fumbles. Was down two scores most of the game by the way.

    Atlanta: Down 24-3 and then Palmer goes off in the second half. He had 95 yds and less than 50% comp rate in the first half. Again Cinci was never in this game.

    Indy: Down 17-0. Throws for 94 yds and a pick 6 in the first half.

    On top of playing terrible when the game was close, these games were against bottom of the league passing D's that were up 2 or 3 scores.

    Remember when Pennington used to throw those 10-15 yd floaters that just felt like an INT waiting to happen, but dropped the ball right into the WR hands? Well that's what Palmer does except he has 0 accuracy and usually gets picked.

    I would have no problem if somehow Orton came on board, but to even think of Palmer in a Dolphins uni makes me uneasy.

    Henne >>>>>>>>>>> Palmer
     
  15. Ohio Fanatic

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    Just because he's on a team with a worse record doesn't mean his offense isn't more successful to make his numbers better. their weapons on offense (discounting TO who is still servicable) are much better than ours. their defense sucks

    He's started 2 more games. same QB rating. same completion percentage. he has a few more TDs, almost as many INTs, but he's also started 2 more games than Henne.
    bringing in an older, more injury prone Carson Palmer as a slight upgrade would be really dumb move by this regime.
     
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  16. m ino

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    yes load of rookies can be a disaster but picking up other teams castaways can also be disaster..ray lucus<cough>,a.j.feeley<cough>,joey harrington<cough>,mcnown and so on.

    imo cp hasen't been the same since his injury so i wouldn't want him as a starter but to come in as a back-up to replace penny or thiggy and wouldn't be the end of the world but we still need a starter to replace henne and i don't feel picking up a cp or mcnaab in the off-season will be a good thing for this organization.i hope im wrong.
     
  17. GreysonWinfield

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    I would rather have McNabb before Palmer and even that I'm not thrilled with.
     
  18. GMJohnson

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    No, no, and NO.
     
  19. GMJohnson

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    They both suck and neither have any upside. McNabb just got benched for Rex friggin Grossman. Palmer still has his job, only because his brother Jordan is the (even worse) backup.
     
  20. BlameItOnTheHenne

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  21. padre31

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    Exactly, we are 7-6 with Chad Henne playing at best average for most of the season, if we added a youngish, servicible veteran Qb who knows, maybe we make the jump up in 2011?

    If Orton is not on the market then Palmer would be near the top of the FA Qb's likely available.
     
  22. GreysonWinfield

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    I think that drops more to Shannangans poor handling of the team than McNabb. I'm just saying if I have to pick a pill it is Donovan.
     
  23. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Nah, McNabb is a WCO Qb and 3 yrs older and more expensive to sign (more than likely),
     
  24. padre31

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    Cedric Benson is no longer featured in Cinci, in fact they pretty much have de-emphasized the running game in favor of Palmer throwing the ball all over the field, that is not how he would be successful.

    And let me add, he also would not cost a draft pick.

    "Started" 1 more game, Henne played 59.17 seconds of the Titans game, that is stat monkery.

    The Bengals do not have anyone close to Marshall or Bess in terms of talent.
     
  25. Dolphins1Beatles

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    Well I think he's better than Henne, and he's had a solid QB rating, and has never thrown more INTs than TDs. Who knows, maybe he could pull a Brees. And he has no running help in Cincy(well, they don't use it), and they have a suspect defense. Not a recipe for a Super Bowl over in Cincy. Look at the Colts with Manning right now, they have the same record as Miami because of lack of running game, injuries, so forth. QB needs help.

    There's more wrong with that team than Palmer. There's a reason they haven't won a playoff game since 1990.
     
  26. Robert Horry

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    What I find HILARIOUS is the fact that posters here are claiming Palmer has no help in the running game in Cincy and this is one of the primary reasons Palmer is struggling this year.

    And Miami has a running game?

    Hilarious.
     
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  27. Third Man

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    I wonder honestly if anyone is going to be willing to pay him $11 million. Somehow I doubt it.

    There's a good chance he knows that and is using this situation to force his way out of town. I can't say I blame him. To say that the Bengals organization is cheap and dysfunctional would be an understatement.

    That said, the guy does have serious talent and I honestly wonder what the hell is wrong with him. He hasn't been the same player since his injury but hurting your knee doesn't explain what's wrong. He very well might be the kind of guy for whom a change of scenery would do a world of good but either way he isn't the kind of leader to come in the door and immediately take charge of the organization.
     
  28. RoninFin4

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    Why anyone would want a QB with a bad knee, and elbow is beyond me. Carson Palmer is a shell of what he was in 2005-06.
     
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  29. Pandarilla

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    He's certainly worth considering at a discount for no draft picks. We'll have to see how Henne does over the next few games...
     
  30. padre31

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    From what I have seen, they call plays for him that do not fit what he can do, and typically the defense is so poor that he is forced to throw the ball, adding routes that he cannot really throw into the playcalling is a recipe for disaster.

    A 15 yd out, to Ocho with no separation being created is BEGGING for the Db to undercut the route and pick off the pass in stride and heading towards the endzone.
     
  31. padre31

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    Hmm, odd, both have to be "fixed", is doing that at the same time some quantum leap in ones' thinking?
     
  32. RoninFin4

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    Padre, a "healthy" Carson Palmer - I can picture your scenario of the "serviceable veteran" to compete with Chad Henne playing out very nicely, either way it unfolds no less. But, Carson Palmer hasn't been 100% healthy since 2007. I'd want guarantees that he gets his throwing elbow operated upon in that contract the day after he signed.
     
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  33. padre31

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    Well, tbh, if the elbow is not solid, then we should not sign him..end of story.

    Let me say two things about Carson Palmer from What I have Seen:

    -Bratkowksi does not tailor his playcalling to maximize his chances of success, TO's presence makes the problem worse as now they have to feed him, when they stop feeding him you can already hear him yapping about it, so defenses know, double TO and sooner or later Palmer will force the ball into him, add in the two bengals games I've watched they no longer run the ball with power in 09 when they won the AFCN title, 3rd and 2 was a running down..not this yr.

    -About his arm strength, Palmer is on the cusp, I have seen him power the ball out on the sidelines, but not on out routes, his out route throws are somewhere mostly above where Pennington was in 08, he is not throwing rainbows, he is throwing more or less an average out route now.

    He can get the ball down the field in between the hashes, which imho is enough to make him useful, after all Brady is throwing the same routes these days and having great success.

    But if he does not come "free" as in as a Free Agent, or really cheaply, as in a 5th rd pick that is a conditional 3rd pick with a contract renegotiation then pass on him.

    That to me is the difference between thinking he can help, and being "in love" with his game, that I am not, but I do believe he could help and is probably better than Chad Henne at this point in time.
     
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  34. rafael

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    I wouldn't consider Palmer for anything above a 7th and a cheap contract. If he were a FA brought in cheap and was brought in to compete along with a rookie, then I could see it. But other than that I don't see the attraction. He's an oft-injured QB with diminishing arm strength. When a QB's arm starts to go they usually fall off a cliff. I don't see the wisdom in being the one potentially holding the bag when that happens. I could see it if he was a guy who got by on his intelligence rather than a guy who was once a great physical specimen, but that's not the case here. With Orton off the table, I don't see any vet QBs that would be a substantial potential upgrade.
     
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  35. Ronnie Bass

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    I guess I am with Pads here, we are talking about a relatively still young QB - turning 31 in nine days - who has huge size and he a proven passer, with a change of scenery he could be a great pickup for us.
     
  36. RoninFin4

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    Agreed on all counts there, good post. It's interesting about T.O. who for a time was on pace to post career highs in every statistical mark except TDs. I think the losing has brought out the typical T.O. everyone knows. Carson still has a nice deep ball. He too, much like Henne, often telegraphs his throws or simply (and this is probably the one noticeable thing Henne's improved upon somewhat) doesn't throw the ball away and live to fight another down. The out routes are definitely not what they were and that is directly correlated with his elbow.
     
  37. padre31

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    Agreed, he really does eat the ball to often, the Cinci Oline is "okay" at pass blocking but Palmer does not get the ball out at times.

    But taking sacks is a coaching issue no?

    From what I have seen on telegraphing his throws, I'd love to know who he was trying to get the ball to, from what I watched his Int's came on throws to TO and 85, TO was bracketed and had gotten no separation, ditto 85 on an out route, both went back for pick 6's.

    I'd bet when he targets Shipley or Coffman or Gresham, his int rate drops..that is sort of the crux of my reason for thinking about this guy, let him spread the ball around and have a running game he can function, put two Wr's whom he feels the need to feed the ball and things go badly for Palmer.

    Add in Cedric Benson has more or less vanished from the offense, and there are reasons why..
     
  38. Dolphins1Beatles

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    I'd be willing to take a chance. After all, it was the Dolphins who didn't think Brees was ever going to be fully healed, and he ended up being better than he was. Since then I've thought a change of scenery/coaching staffs for QBs who have had good seasons before is a good thing, and worth a try.
     
  39. GMJohnson

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    There, fixed that for ya.

    It's interesting how people can draw up this laundry list of excuses for a 31 year old #1 overall pick who makes 10+ million, but then show no love for your boy Chenne, the late 2nd rounder who's making > 1 million.
     
  40. Jaj

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    But that's just a misnomer though. The WCO offense that McNabb ran in Philly was anything but the WCO of years past. Those labels have become useless and to be honest I wouldn't be opposed to seeing the team run a WCO. The only player they have that wouldn't be attune to that would be perhaps Bess but look at what Maclin and Jackson are doing in that WCO, even Santana Moss. It's changed and if you get a new OC that McNabb can work well with, you've got a proven quarterback that yes needs an offensive line but is a guy that's proven he can really sling that ball with the best of them.

    Even if you stuck with Ronnie, signed Leon Washington, and drafted RB later plus even Marion Barber it doesn't matter. The RB position isn't the worry.

    LT- Long
    LG- Mankins
    C- Kalil
    RG- Jerry
    RT- Carimi (save 5m on Carey that you use for Kalil)

    with McNabb at QB. You can run anybody behind that left side and the right is young but very promising. I'd estimate McNabb+Mankins+Kalil to be worth 20m combined for their first year minus Carey's five and perhaps Yeremiah Bell's 3m or so. That's healthy spending that allows a Leon Washington, Marion Barber, and maybe Dante Rosario to be added.
    Then you've got the draft where you've dropped down to draft Carimi, so you've got a few picks in the 3rd and 4th round to fill-in whatever you'd like.

    Palmer, McNabb, Orton they are all better than Henne. Don't just look at stats look at opportunities. McNabb would nail that pass to Hartline against Cleveland.
     

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