How are we ever going to compete with new england?

I prefer Belichick.

 

Gronkowski is usually inline with Crumpler while Hernandez is flexed out. Hernandez isn't a quality blocker yet.

 

Which is a fine example of how you don't necessarily have to draft a QB in the first round. Look at Brees and Schaub and it is easy to see it just took a little longer for development. I always thought Orton was a bigger talent than where he was drafted but he was never developed properly by the Bears. Now he is decent but could be further along. It just shows you have to give Chad Henne some time to learn and get better.

Sorry for being off topic folks but I had to make that point.

 

Don coached in a different era. There was no Free Agency for 90% of his tenure. Building a franchise/dynasty was much easier due to not having to turn over the roster constantly due to players leaving more better financial opportunities.
I have no idea what would happen if you would put Don into todays NFL. I believe he would thrive.
But I also say in the NFL today it is harder to build a dynasty. Belichick has succeeded in that. Therefore give me the opportunity for today's NFL I would take the proven Belichick. Not to mention Belichick has 1 more SB ring and 1 more SB appearance in half the time.

 

Apparently you believe we actually care. Someone has too much time and emotion invested in an internet forum, perhaps.

 

Find another Cam Wake..

 

shhhhhhhhhh you're ruinining the moment........

 

Even with that stat you make my point. 40% of the top ten were picked in the 1st round. 60 % in the other 7 rounds. Case closed. If you want an elite QB your chances of getting one are better picking in the 1st round.

 

That's what you said....

 

Shula stuck with Tom Olivadotti and Gary Stevens way too long. Both had 9 years here. The running game was never ranked higher than 13th here in Stevens tenure and it took JJ to fire him.
Olivadotti was just horrible. Bend don't break. That was my knock on Shula. He had two clowns as coordinators in Marino's prime.
Very sad......

 

I really like Phillip Hunt Deej.

 

oh yeah bud ?..alright alright, I like that, you wanna go on the record?, you got some tape we can watch?

 

That's true of any position. It's also true that drafting a QB in the 1st round is no guarantee of success, much less eliteness. We need to the correct QB decisions, which doesn’t necessarily mean drafting in the first, or at all at this point. Henne is still devoleping and history shows that there will be good QBs on the FA market. They just have to be identified.

 

Draft forum bud..

 

I said your chances of hitting will be greater if you take one in the 1st round. We haven't even taken that chance. We haven't drafted one in the 1st round in 28 drafts ! TWENTY EIGHT ! We are giving ourselves less chances to get that elite player. Sometimes you have to gamble and get lucky. Always staying safe gets you what we are .....7-9 in 2009 and probably 6-10 or 7-9 this season.

 

Check this study out:

http://dallascowboystimes.com/2010/05/highly-drafted-nfl-quarterbacks-the-holy-grail-for-success/

So statistically you're right, there is a 6% greater chance drafting a pro bowl QB in the first round than the second, which isn't much. (32% to 38% for those to lazy to click the link) From a team building stand point it's far better to draft your QBs in the second round though. Really what it comes down to for me is making the right evaluations. Four QBs available in free agency that would have helped us:

Hasslebeck (agreed to our contract terms and was ready to sign but we didn't call his agent back in time so he went with Seattle)
Green (when he was good, before the Rams signed him. Wanny famously asked "What can Trent Green do that Fielder cannot?")
Warner
Brees

See what I mean? To compete with the Pats we have to make better decisions, which doesn't necessarily mean drafting a specific position in a specific round. Maybe the answer is to trade the draft for Luck, or maybe it's to pick some one like Colin Kaepernick later. Or, maybe Henne is an off season and a little more speed outside away from being special. To say that we have to pick a QB in the first round isn't correct IMO.

 

No chance ever competing with NE

Just give up now

Find new team

GOD BLESS YOU ALL

 

New England hasn't had stellar drafts recently. Which makes belichick even more genius (in coaching, not personnel). They've hit some picks, but they've squandered a lot too. Imagine if they were great drafters

 

Have you seen what the Pats have done with thier picks as of late? Many of their top picks are no longer in the NFL or are busts. Also didn't we win the AFC East a couple years ago after going 1-15 the previous season? Lots can change in a year.

 

We did. While having the same record as NE did, while playing Matt Cassell and after they took us to the woodshed, at home, in our second meeting.

NE was the better team that year. We just happened to hit a favorable tie breaker

 

Seriously though, find another Cameron Wake, re-establish the run game, and improve your offensive coaching and you can do it. We've beaten New England lately, it's not that hard. The Ravens did it last year. That vaunted run defense can be beat if you have a coordinator who knows what he's doing. They give up a healthy 4.3 YPC far above Miami's average.

Beat their defense, you take Brady out of his zone. The Jets ran well on the Pats, it's just on the other end they lost control and Sanchez made mistakes. A smart QB, strong running game, and hellacious pass rushers will beat the Pats.

Phillip Hunt would be nice, especially if he gains 10 LBs.

 

Everyone thinks if we drafted like them we'd be better, but it's not true.

They have a MUCH better coaching staff, even UNDER Belichick. They coach their talent UP to be great players. They develop their talent well. We do not.

I would wager that if we inherited all their draft picks and they got all of ours, the players in New England would STILL out-perform ours.

 

Exactly, people.

Why is everyone convinced this is some inherent greatness in the player's DNA.. that the PICKING part of the process determines their entire career success.


People.. these players ARRIVE at the organizations then improve or DON'T.

Most players drafted have enough raw talent and athleticism. It is MACXIMIZING it through positional coahcing (improving their technique), motivating them, and using them in the best way (schematically) to get the most out of them.

THAT is why the Pats can consistently get players producing results. Not just some sheer genius at finding already-great 'gems' over and over.

 

Speaking of types of tight ends, I was surprised, with as horrible as our #2 TE/seam threat situation is, that we didn;t even mave a move on picking up Chase Coffman from the bengals when he was available.

He can;t block worth a damn... but you use him , as you point out with Hernandez, as a split or flexed TE who can still block better than a WR, and provides enough passing threat to maybe force an extra DB onto the field.

 

You know, I really hate it when people pull **** out of their own *** in order to try and make a point.

Brees- 2nd round

Schaub- 3rd round

Romo- Undrafted

There are other's who were picked in the 2nd round or later who are too young to judge. (Like Henne) And throw in those other QB's you convienently left out, and you would see that there are ALWAYS good finds after the 1st round.

 

Maybe your right and I'm wrong but this is what I have for the Pats draft picks next year
1st Round
1st Round (OAK – Richard Seymour)
2nd Round (CAR – 2010 3rd Round)
2nd Round
3rd Round (MIN – Randy Moss)
3rd Round
4th Round (DEN – Laurence Maroney)
5th Round
6th Round (NO – David Thomas)

The first round pick from Oakland could be where we pick around 16 th and the second round pick from Carolina looks to be the first pick in the second round

 

The same team that trades a 4th round draft pick for a player who has 259 receptions and 50 touchdowns in 52 games then trades the same player for a 3rd round pick...simply amazing

The same team that signs Danny Woodhead off the scrap heap
and does nothing but produce

The same team who drafts an inside linebacker and in his 3rd year
is leading the NFL with 144 tackles in 12 games

The same team with 2 rookie tight ends that have over 800 yards receiving
and 10 tds between them

The same team that has a rookie corner back with 64 tackles
and 6 interceptions in 12 games

It never ends

 

Actually I thought we were handling them fairly well until our STs self destructed.IMO The way to beat them is to out physical them .Keep pressure on Brady and knock him around like a bowling pin .

It can be done .This team was built to beat our division rivals so we should should be competetive against the Pats and the Jets......as long as we execute and avoid mistakes.

 

The same team that spends high draft choices on Wr's who do not produce?

Seen Brandon Tate lately?

After Marooney busted out, he was a #1 pick..right?

In the top 10, every other pick is g-o-n-e from that draft.

True that, and the sooner Defenses grasp the fact that Brady no longer throws outside the hashmarks deep, the sooner they can make the pats offense look like what it is.

and 6 interceptions in 12 games[/QUOTE]

Our Db's have dropped 14 int's so far this yr, as well as rook's he garner tons of int's tend to disappear, ask the Bills' Byrd how that works.

Sure it does, punch them in the mouth, keep punching, wash, rinse, repeat, the mistake teams make with the Pats (imho) is they try to play their game, when the patsies lose it is because the other team simply beats them up.

 

Our Db's have dropped 14 int's so far this yr, as well as rook's he garner tons of int's tend to disappear, ask the Bills' Byrd how that works.



Sure it does, punch them in the mouth, keep punching, wash, rinse, repeat, the mistake teams make with the Pats (imho) is they try to play their game, when the patsies lose it is because the other team simply beats them up.[/QUOTE]

I forget...What is New Englands record
enlighten me

 

We need to figure out a way to get Mark ingram on our team, cause if we dont and they do...were in some trouble.

 

I forget...What is New Englands record
enlighten me[/QUOTE]

Wow, that is one ugly post.

10-2 isn't it?

The OP was concerned about the patsies mtn of draft picks, he shouldn't be the Pats are a good lesson in the NFL draft being highly overrated as the only means of talent acquisition.

 

Love ya Dej, disagree though, what the Dolphins need to do is finally hit on a draft, something we have yet to do in Miami in a very long time, I'm thinking out of 6 picks, 5 guys make impacts as rookies diverting a #1 for a Rb..not sure about that one.

Check out the CFL thread in the draft forum on Cory Boyd.

Put it this way Deej, the pats have that mtn of picks, Irish has to use every means neccesary to keep up in that talent arms race..

 

Wow, that is one ugly post.

10-2 isn't it?

The OP was concerned about the patsies mtn of draft picks, he shouldn't be the Pats are a good lesson in the NFL draft being highly overrated as the only means of talent acquisition.[/QUOTE]

Maybe when I GET TO 50,000-60,000 posts they won't be as ugly

and I believe EVERYONE is aware that it takes more than just drafting
but thanks for stating the obvious

 

Not EVERYONE as there are those who dogmatically stick to the line "teams are built through the draft"

Not so, and it is one of the reasons why Ireland is indispensable to the Dolphins, when allowed to do so he can find talent even in the Swiss League of Professional Football (look it up..)

99% of Gm's would not dream of thinking that far outside of the box, this is where Irish's time with Peterson in KC serves the franchise well.

Imo, the drafts will improve with Parcell's moving on as it is difficult for me to imagine the guy who:

-Signed Cam Wake
-Traded a 7th rd pick for Tony McDaniel

Would draft some of the players that have been drafted.

 

Just curious on another direction
How can you post 58 posts per day for 3 years straight years and still have a life???

 

Eh, lots of game day threads that really pump up the post count, 3 yrs 20 games including the preseason they add up.

 

I agree with that he has to hit on picks and free agents this year...so your thought process is he must trade down to recoup the 2nd regardless if Ingram is on the board.