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There's 10 other guys on offense besides a QB. Time to blame the FO for it's choices.

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by ToddsPhins, Dec 6, 2010.

  1. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    True.

    But he completed 60%, 6.5 per attempt, 76 rating. Not that bad for being on a poor team.
     
  2. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    I'm sure it helped having 1/4th of your completions (and likely a higher than 60% completions) going to your RB. And the numbers I see have 6.2 YPA, not 6.5 (not sure how much a difference it makes since neither is great).
     
  3. finfaninilinois

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    if we didnt have such a bad qb we wouldnt be poor
     
  4. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    I will give you inconsistent, limited, or youthful, but he has done many things that remove him from BAD as far as long term prognosis...short term case by case yes he has had BAD games for sure.
     
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  5. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

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    I actually do like Hartline, but IMO b/c of our depth and lack of speed, that we're unfortunately in the position where the #2 needs to be "altered" so that we have speed on the field from a starting position........ and also so that if Marshall is injured, we're not in such a disadvantageous position. For instance: Mike Sims Walker, Bess, Hartline aren't a liability compared to Hartline as #1, Bess, and "the #4" becoming the 2.

    I don't see why we couldn't still use a nice rotation and still give Hart opportunities, and if we have a #2 who's a vertical threat, he's gonna need to catch his breath etc no? Couldn't Brian learn the slot well, too, so he can fill in for best. I'd like to see him as our utility receiver who can play all 3 spots well.

    If Marshall or Bess had speed, then I'd be fine with Hartline at #2...... but if someone has to go (or be upgraded), it's not Marshall or Bess, so Hart is the odd man out IMO.
     
  6. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

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    I hope I can take that as a compliment. lol.

    I'd be on board for grabbing a "Luck"..... but to be honest, (personally) I'd rather establish the rest of our offense with our lone top pick (and add Mankins/would love Bradshaw) so that whomever is QB in the future will have a complete offense to ensure success. Give the offense (and line) a chance to settle in for a year. Let our new OC see what he can do with Henne for 1 year and see what he can do with an upgraded offense in general. Then in the 2012 draft (if there is one), trade in the chips for the top talent available if it's needed. But that's just me.
     
  7. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

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    I'll be completely on board with Luck........................ if he brings Harbaugh with him. :yes:
     
  8. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    Ha. We draft Luck and pay small fortune to sign him. We don't have any other picks in the top 4 rounds this year and probably lose a top pick next year. So the holes at WR, RB, T, ILB, TE etc remain largely unfilled draft wise, and what premier FA skill player is signing on to play with a rookie? I know Bradford is the new poster boy for instant success. But with this supporting cast, in this division, he'd be shark bait. If Sam Bro had to face the Jets twice, Ravens, Steelers, Packers, Titans, Vikings etc defenses I doubt he'd have 6 wins on his resume right now. And he's going to be offensive layer of the year, hands down. Assuming Luck is as good as Bradford, which is unlikely, we're still a middle of the pack team with a chance to do something in 3-4 years once we put some pieces around him and Brady retires. If Luck isnt as good as Bradford, which is much more likely, we're set back 4-6 years until his contract is off the books and we can afford to bring in someone else. Of course by then these same fans criticizing Henne will be crucifying luck, claiming they knew all along that we shouldn't have picked him, and drooling over the best QB in the 2016 draft. It's a vicious cycle that I'd rather not get caught up in. I'd rather sign and draft some play makers on offense, get a real OC, and roll the dice with Henne for another year or two.
     
  9. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

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    Wait..... so what you're saying is you agree with me? :tongue2: LOL.


    It seems like our fans are calling for that thing they hate most--- a revolving door at QB for another 10 years. I find the irony of it oddly humorous. :lol:
     
  10. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    TP - Look at the video Alen posted @ the 4:25mark regarding my take on the 2nd INT when Henne chose to force it into Bess, and passed up a much easier and wide open Fasano.

    [video=youtube;9HQ1PKNvfuY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HQ1PKNvfuY[/video]
    This is exactly what he has consistently done many times. He isnt processing the best option. PS. on the First INT to Hartline @ the 2:30 mark its also clear of his hesitation with extra tap steps before trying to hit on it. If that balls comes out when he first SEEs it, I dont think the DB recovers (again, not debating and critiquing any possible PI that Hartline could have aided his QB with). These are just 2 examples that give me pause and concern of 1) What Henne sees and doesnt see with his route options; and 2) How long it take him to process and trust what he does see.

    thoughts?
     
  11. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

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    I dont know. When I watch it (2nd INT), I see 51 squattin down when Henne's initial lane to Fasano is clear. To me, he looks like he's right on top of the play. Can't throw it to Fasnao then. I'd love to see how Henne does behind the lanes that NE gives Brady. Hartline is also blanketed by Haden on this play. Bess looks like there's possibly a slight window in front of him if it's dropped perfectly in, but I can't tell for sure. Either way, the pass was off it's mark.

    When Fasano does break open, I'm not sure that Chad can see him b/c McQuistan, Ronnie, and 96 look to be right in Chad's line of sight as he's making the decision to throw the ball to Bess. It's possible that he could've held onto it longer to see what (if anything) develops, but then again he's coached to get rid of it (we can also thank the stupid practice horn for that IMO). He pretty much did what coaches want him to do- get rid of it within 4 seconds (or is it 3? I forgot). He tried to force the throw and make a play and he failed. I don't think it helps that the throw is going to our slot receiver playing outside.

    As far as the 1st INT. I get what you're saying about throwing it quicker, and I would agree with you if I could get the game film to see exactly what Chad saw (or what he was able to see). I can't really tell if he has a clear window to see Hart or not. Sometimes back there all you can see are helmets flying around and you throw to the one whom matches your team color. LOL.
     
  12. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    If you dont think Fasano is the BETTER choice and open, we will never agree. LOL. No issues. I see it completely differently my friend. And if Henne CANT SEE FASANO because of what you claim to be the cause, we have bigger problems with him than I think....hhahaha.
     
  13. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

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    Fasano doesn't come open until a split second after Henne releases the ball to Bess, but I don't see Chad having a passing lane to him "at that time".

    Prior to that, the LB was sitting on top of the play during the only lane Henne had to throw to Fasano. It's exactly at the 4.:33 mark just after Fasano makes his break.

    I see him being open with an open lane...... but that's after Henne's already thrown the ball. That's why I was saying I guess he could've held onto longer to see if anything else develops..... b/c if he had held onto it, then he would've had Fasano wide open.
     
  14. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    We just dont see the film the same way regarding 1) When FASANO is open, 2) When he gets open compared to Henne making the decision to go to Bess and the balls release, and 3) When Henne should have needed to throw the ball to wide open Fasano.

    Interesting experiment. Wonder what others takes are.
     
  15. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

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    The problem IMO was it seemed the play was called right into the teeth of the defense. Fasano's route has him breaking into immediate coverage (look at the point where he's whipping his head around to look for the ball). Bess's route has him going into occupied territory. Hart was gobbled up. Ronnie was in blocking.
     
  16. rdhstlr23

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    Let's keep making excuses for another crap performance. Again, an adequate, medicore, JAKE DELHOMME type performance and we're ahead by two scores in this game.

    Chad Henne isn't the answer. He sucks.
     
  17. daphins

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    Minority maybe...but not alone.

    This regime scares me with their lack of ability to adapt to players individual strengths.

    -Tedd Ginn was not a #1 but he never got a fair shake as a ST/slot player. It was #1 or nothing for him. He had world class speed and while he is most likely a total bust I would have liked to see how he could perform put in the right position.

    -Ronnie Brown needs touches, always has. I can't remember the exact stats, but Ronnie getting 18 touches a game meant good things for us. Yet regime after Regime has refused to give them to him. Ricky was much the same in his hayday. He started slow and didn't catch on until the 2nd half. ROnnie gets 3 touches and sits for 3, gets 3.

    -Henne is a pocket passer with a cannon on a team that professes dink and dunk and broken screens/playaction.

    Utterly frustrating.
     
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  18. ToddsPhins

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    Oh yeah? Please explain!!

    So where are all these WIDE OPEN receivers whom he was missing ALL game? :glare: Considering he had TONS of protection, I'm surprised he didn't throw for 300 yards. :glare: (extreme sarcasm) It's not like there were any dropped passes either. (more sarcasm)

    He only had a few "real" passing opportunities-- one of which was the perfectly placed ball to Fasano over the middle.

    I absolutely LOVE how you're one of those guys who give all the credit to the QB when an offense puts up a lot of pts/yards, but throws ALL of the blame at him when the passing game is anemic. How did the ground game do today?...... SURE that really opened up the pass for us!!!!! How was Murtha's pass protection at RT? He was being eaten alive out there if you ACTUALLY took your anti Henne glasses off for a second to notice. Our point total had NOTHING to do with Henne today outside of the slipped handoff that cost us points. Not even Peyton Manning could make a ham sandwich out of this offense today!!!! Please understand the game better before making statements like you did.

    It was raining, Sanchez got the Jets in a quick hole, our D was dominating the game, and our ground game was a non-factor. There was absolutely NO reason for us to do anything stupid to cost us the game with all things considered. This was the game to "play it safe", which is what we did. He tried a deep pass to Marshall, but he was blanketed.
     
  19. KB21

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    Todd, I agree with you. You just helped make my case that Ireland and Sparano should be washed out with the tide at the end of this season. This organization has done a pitiful job of coaching Chad Henne and giving Chad Henne the kind of support he needs to be successful. Is Chad Henne a great quarterback? No, but that doesn't mean this team cannot win a Superbowl with him at the helm. I feel Chad will either flourish in Miami with a new coaching staff, or he will go to another team and flourish. With this regime though, I feel it is over for Henne in Miami. He's not a Chad Pennington clone, which is what they want.

    Here's the sad thing though. If this regime is held onto and they move away from Henne, then we are looking at spending yet another high draft pick on a quarterback. If they don't feel Henne is their guy, then this regime has spent TWO SECOND ROUND PICKS on quarterbacks, one of which is gone and one of which may as well be packing his bags if this regime stays around.

    It's time for a new regime.
     
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  20. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    That is actually very consistent. It is how he should be.
     

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