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The Fire who appreciation thread

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Ozzy, Dec 5, 2010.

  1. Pandarilla

    Pandarilla Purist Emeritus

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    Well said...'nuff said
     
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  2. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    because this is his first job in the NFL as an offensive line coach. we was an assistant ol coach in new york and prior to that he was a college coach. He's been here two years and noone he's coached has really developed
     
  3. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    Sparano had better win against the Jets and Pats if he wants to save his job. Henning's job is unsalvagable.
    As for Henne...if Sparano goes, he goes. He might go anyway. He has the physical tools to be a very good QB, but he's lacking something mentally.
     
  4. BlameItOnTheHenne

    BlameItOnTheHenne Taking a poop

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    I just think Gruden is the most realistic 'big hire'.
     
  5. Coral Reefer

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    They haven't been developed?

    So coaching can be blamed for player performance then?
     
  6. RoninFin4

    RoninFin4 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Bringing in the combination of any of these 4: Jim Harbaugh, Jon Gruden, John Ramsdell, and Hue Jackson for head coach and offensive coordinator respectively would be my move if I'm Mr. Ross.
     
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  7. muscle979

    muscle979 Season Ticket Holder

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    Me too. It's hard to imagine Cowher coming down though he probably would be a better fit with the personnel already in place. But Gruden went to Tampa with a good D in place and won a Super Bowl.
     
  8. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    name me one player who has developed under his tutelage? position coaches are responsible for developing players. Jake Long was pretty much a finished product by the time he arrived. if its not his fault then its ireland's fault for failing to get him any talent
     
  9. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    this is what I have been saying since game four & we need to draft a QB after the season is over
     
  10. hazed819

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    Dude if I'm Ross i go in there and tell Jeff Ireland to f*cking clean house cause this team is a disgrace at home (Where Ross makes his money)
     
  11. Califin

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    I think our "consultant" needs to get busy consulting his cohorts, over what has since compiled.
     
  12. Jaj

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    I thought Gruden would break apart what Nolan has going for him and I don't think Ireland's job is in any danger right now. He's done fairly well. The team is talented.

    I don't think they're a WCO team though. I just don't see it. Has to be a Ehrhardt or Coryell offense with a new QB. Maybe you trade your 1st for a new QB... I don't know. Nah forget that, draft a QB just do it.

    Can they get Luck? 1st, next year 1st, and 3rd this year?
     
  13. Trackstar

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    If i'm Ross....I'm doing disgusting unforgivable things to get Bill Cowher. Who knows, maybe Sparano is a great coach overshadowed by ****ty offensive playcalling and QB play. BUt I'm done screwing around.

    Draft a franchise QB in the 1st round and make a run at Cowher. I wish it were that easy though
     
  14. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    like the saying goes "this is a game about talent acquisition" we simply need better players. i keep the staff and concentrate on the offensive line in the offseason. i make sure we go into 2011 with a top ten oline. And not based on some silly PFF rankings
     
  15. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    another well coached game :no:
     
  16. Trackstar

    Trackstar Season Ticket Holder Luxury Box

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    And quiet honestly, Imo, you trade anyone you have to trade to get into the top of the 1st round. Without giving up a plethora of draft picks, I'm almost willing to trade anyone to get that "franchise" QB.


    Sent from my computer using my keyboard
     
  17. Jaj

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    The OL? Really the OL? You're blaming the offensive line's lack of talent for this one? The **** do they have to provide 10 seconds for Henne?

    You have the best LT in the game, I'll admit Carey has been playing on that injured knee for a long time but he's still good. Berger got beat by a monster in Shaun Rogers, ok big deal. Incognito played alright. Jerry's a rookie.

    It's Henne, Henning, and Sparano.

    The Patriots are NOT NEARLY this talented as this team is. Not even close. They suck with regards to talent.
     
  18. rdhstlr23

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    Here is the worst part--we might not see this team play until 2012 anyways. Think about that. So enjoy these last 4 games. They might be the last for a while.

    With that said, I just don't see Jeff Ireland and Tony Sparano taking the fall for this. I think they're seat is definitely "hot" going into their next season, but I don't see them getting fired.

    I think, without question, Dan Henning is fired or resigns/retires. I don't think they give up on Henne either. I think they draft another QB and all three duke it out learning a new offensive system.

    Now I'd go after a FA QB AND draft a QB. I'd try and trade Thigpen and get whatever I could for the guy.

    This team needs a RB and a QB. I think we've got a REALLY good WR core--which really is the opposite of last year. I think Hartline has the ability to get open deep, Marshall has the ability to dominate the intermediate game along with Bess picking up those 3rd downs. I think we have 3 very dependable guys. If we can get a RB that's capable of breaking the long one and a QB that can deliver the ball we'll be in fine shape.
     
  19. RoninFin4

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    I'd only keep 2 names: Long. Wake. Anyone else is fair game IMO.
     
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  20. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    Today's game was mostly on Henne. But you dont give up on Henne. He has improved in every area this year other than cover 2. You have to spend the offseason improving his ability to read and defeat the cover 2 defenses that he faces every week just about.

    But if you look at the whole season our oline has sucked for most of it. Carey is getting old and banged up, Berger is usually good at pass blocking but sucks at run blocking, Incognito is average at best, John Jerry hasnt been developed at all this year it seems and McQuistan is below average. And Jake Long is injured lol. Going into next year we have to add at least two offensive linemen and not one dimensional linemen who can only run or only pass block. we need complete linemen who can be effective if not dominant both run blocking and pass blocking

    and more importantl;y we need henne to develop and ability to beat cover 2. if we do those two things we will 12 games minimum with no other changes necessary
     
  21. muscle979

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    I'm getting a good laugh at the suggestion that this team doesn't have enough good players. Bill Bellichick could probably wrap up a first round bye with this team.
     
  22. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    how many times has belichik made it into the playoffs without a QB named Tom Brady starting for him?
     
  23. muscle979

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    Brady can't win football games by himself. Bellichick's defense is overachieving. They were supposed to cause them to lose games. Instead they're 9-2. Their defense does create turnovers. Last I checked Brady doesn't play defense.
     
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  24. vt_dolfan

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    The fact of the matter is....and there a whole bunch of fans out there that for some reason cant see this....

    Miami's best plan forward is to continue to develop Chad Henne with a new OC..and a new QB coach. Any of the QB's available for next season...both draft and FA...arent an upgrade over Henne. Youve spent this much time developing a QB who has show vast improvement in areas of his game. He also shows he needs to vastly improve on others...most notably, the Cover Two exploition....

    The odds you find a QB in this draft not named Luck that will pan out better then Chad Henne is remote. As such...you take a QB you think has potential in the mid to late rounds...and continue with Henne. You put players around him...and an offensive scheme that fits his game. All of this is done with significantly less investment then it would take to trade up for Luck...anyone think Arizona..or San Fran...or Buffalo...is gonna take a trade for Luck? Not happening....and its not happening for Peyton Manning...so forget that.
     
  25. Califin

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    I think Parcells left Sparano in over his head, and while the ride has been anything but smooth since 08, he's kept it relatively stable despite constant change, and considerable upheaval to the major supports of that stability.

    He's faced, and continues to face, mistakes made at the top coaching positions, but having had to address the defense, he scored by naming Nolan. He was delinquent in Bonamego's firing, but nevertheless eventually resolved it midseason, for the second core replacement of his tenure.

    Clearly he'll now have to address the offense, and I'm willing to allow him the opportunity to do so, as he at least appears suited for major install repairs, even if his game management may need a major tune up.
     
  26. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    We can't see this for the reason that Henne hasn't SHOWN us this. He hasn't proven that he is worth taking forward.
     
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  27. adamprez2003

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    marino won games by himself. hell if it wasnt for peyton the colts would be lucky to have two wins this year
     
  28. adamprez2003

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    agree that we need to keep developing henne but disagree bringing in a new offensive coordinator is benficial. a young QB doesnt need to learn a new system going into his third year. he needs to keep the same system and just get better in it. the only way i could justify getting rid of henning is if we replace w=him with the same type of system coordinator like david lee and i dont see what the point of doing that would be. if we hget a new coordinator we might as well draft a new qb because henne will probably regress next year if he has to learn a new system,
     
  29. muscle979

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    Dan didn't win Super Bowls by himself. Nobody can. And he was a better QB. And they're finally getting down to the level in Indy where even Peyton can't keep them up as a top team. I don't even think Brady's stats are that gaudy this season. Having Brady helps sure, but Bellichick gets every last drop of production possible out of what he has. We can only wish for that type of coaching in Miami.
     
  30. AbideN703

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    Whoever it takes to get the team to win, bring them here. Everyone else? Get 'em out
     
  31. DolfanJake

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    Muck do you really know if Sparano's seat is hot ? I mean we here on a message board can say it, but you have more inside info don't you owning the board ? Do any of your sources have access to the powers that be ? Is it a real possibility ?
     
  32. DolfanJake

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    Dude, take the aqua and orange glasses off. Look at things with your eyes. Henne is an INT machine.
     
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  33. vt_dolfan

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    Dude pull your head out of....

    Give me a realistic scenario of how the Dolphins can upgrade the QB position next season...
     
  34. adamprez2003

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    i think you underplay how important brady is to that team right now. on offense you basically have four units - QB, RBs, Receivers and oline. You can get away with having one unit being poor, you cant get away with having two poor units. If our offense was able to run like the Jets or Ravens we would have a better record. If we had a better QB like the Packers we would have a better record. But we dont and thats why we have the record we do
     
  35. DolfanJake

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    They probably can't but it won't matter. There won't be any football next year. But we could at least try to get the answer in May 2012 draft.
     
  36. Rocky Raccoon

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    The pass protection isn't the problem, it's the run blocking. I don't know what the **** happened to our running game this season but it's been embarrassing. I know they've been better the past few weeks but other than that there's been nothing on the ground. In my opinion, that's the first thing that needs to get fixed in the offseason.
     
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  37. gunn34

    gunn34 I miss Don & Dan

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    It's no secret the OL has to gel. IMO, Sparano tinkers with it too much. Leave the guys in there and let them play and gel as a unit.
     
  38. rdhstlr23

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    The same DC that we all love was a HC couldn't do crap in SF...it had nothing to do with not having good enough players. Instead, it was solely because he didn't have a QB. He even had an OC that we all like and respect and his name has popped up as being possible for us next year, but couldn't win.

    This league is all about QB play. We're 6-6 because we haven't been getting enough good QB play. With that said, some players haven't been making the plays when they've been called on as well. We say it every year, you don't see top teams being led by poor QBs. Most of those guys, even when they have poor games seem to find ways to pull themselves out of it in the 4th quarter and give their team a chance to win.

    Chad Henne made a handful of plays today to win the game. He made more than a handful to lose the game. You just can't have that from your QB.
     
  39. RoninFin4

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    I don't think Sparano will be around much longer to tinker with the OL, so that problem should solve itself.
     
  40. texanphinatic

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    As a team we have now failed to improve two years in a row despite the development and acquisition of legit talent. We struggle to win at home, we struggle to win multiple games in a row, we struggle to beat good teams, we struggle in close games, we struggle in the red zone, we struggle to put points on the board, we struggle with game planning, we struggle with game and clock management. These things all come down to coaching. We have sacrificed a DC, an STC, and lather blame all over the OC.

    At what point do some people start looking at Sparano. I was as big a fan as any coming into this season. I was more than ok with a "down" second year - two steps forward from 1-15 then one step back. But a third that may have been worse than the season before? If we lose to the Pats and Jets again we wil be 0-4 against our real divisional competition.

    I'm sorry, our overall talent levels are not drastically worse than New England or New York. The simple facts are that our coach does not have his team performing at a high level and is unable to gain or maintain any kind of consistency at all. We can't just blame players, a harsh and critical eye needs to be turned on Tony.

    I want to see our last 4 games before calling for his head, but his seat needs to be and should be very hot right now. If there is no CBE then I imagine he is retained anyway, but if one is in place, we should very much be talking about a possible coaching change. It is a coach's job to get his players playing!
     

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